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Qwerty Norris -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (24/5/2012 11:41:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jonson

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Mad Dog (again, an immense performance - his fighting skills and general nastiness were the highlight for me)


Nastiness? Hmm...

See for me whilst he is totally badass, he's also an honourable one (hence the fact he doesn't just shoot the sergeant in the head & he frees the brother being tortured to take on the pair of them hand to hand simultaneously).

Watched it again yesterday. The Die Hard / Hard Boiled comparisons are unfair, but it's cracking! Best fun I've had in a cinema in a while. [:)]




Filmfan 2 -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (24/5/2012 12:19:44 PM)

Just to clarify, my disappointment in this film doesn't come from it not being like Die Hard. I mentioned the latter film in my review only because it was raised in the Empire review.




mateyboy2 -> Gripped (24/5/2012 12:23:36 PM)

Saw it last night - got to say its one of the best movies I've ever seen.

Two deaths in particular were incredibly wince inducing (death by door and the stairwell wrap around). The actor and director are going to be huge stars - I hope.




jonson -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (24/5/2012 2:02:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Well they are making that comparison - the film itself isn't. It isn't like all those Die Hard knock offs for example.

Although I do think it is a classic in the making, I also don't think it will tap into pop culture the same way Die Hard and Hard Boiled did. But that is ok.

Needless to say I can't wait to see what Evans does next - I am sure we can all agree he shoots action really well.


I agree, perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I wasn't trying to compare them at all, just commenting on a lot of comparisons that have been made.

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Nastiness? Hmm...

See for me whilst he is totally badass, he's also an honourable one (hence the fact he doesn't just shoot the sergeant in the head & he frees the brother being tortured to take on the pair of them hand to hand simultaneously).


I didn't take that as being honourable, I took that as the fact he loved beating people to death. It was what he was good at and took sadistic pleasure out of doing it. That's nasty in my book [:D]




clownfoot -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (24/5/2012 2:20:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jonson

I didn't take that as being honourable, I took that as the fact he loved beating people to death. It was what he was good at and took sadistic pleasure out of doing it. That's nasty in my book [:D]


It doesn't sound quite the same as big-bad-blokey from Hard Boiled allowing for all the hospital patients to move out of the way before continuing his gunfight against Alan. That's honourable.




Cool Breeze -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (24/5/2012 4:18:22 PM)

Watched Hard Boiled last night for the first time in quite a while and still love it to bits.The Raid is nowhere near as much fun as that film.If Evans make a sequel he might think of including some humour and memorable characters.It makes an action movie go a long way.




Vitamin F -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (24/5/2012 4:27:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Watched Hard Boiled last night for the first time in quite a while and still love it to bits.The Raid is nowhere near as much fun as that film.If Evans make a sequel he might think of including some humour and memorable characters.It makes an action movie go a long way.


And the flipside of that is that too much humour or snappy one liners can kill any suspense in an action film stone dead.
I really don't think The Raid needed humour, but I'm sure the US remake will ignore all that and quip away...




Rgirvan44 -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (24/5/2012 4:29:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: clownfoot


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ORIGINAL: jonson

I didn't take that as being honourable, I took that as the fact he loved beating people to death. It was what he was good at and took sadistic pleasure out of doing it. That's nasty in my book [:D]


It doesn't sound quite the same as big-bad-blokey from Hard Boiled allowing for all the hospital patients to move out of the way before continuing his gunfight against Alan. That's honourable.


I do think Mad Dog did have a code - but maybe one that didn't recognise right and wrong if that makes sense.

Thinking about the film and the "lack of depth" that has been levelled at it - I think one of the subtexts that does exist is male family relationships. Fathers and sons (both real and otherwise) and the competing loyalities contained within. But mostly it is about punching, kicking, stabbing and shooting.




Wild about Wilder -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (24/5/2012 5:09:11 PM)

The Raid [sm=fighting01.gif][sm=icon_smile_pistols.gif] = ME[sm=52.gif][sm=ohmy.gif][sm=love01.gif][sm=happy07.gif][sm=worship.gif]




Darth Marenghi -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (24/5/2012 8:01:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Thinking about the film and the "lack of depth" that has been levelled at it - I think one of the subtexts that does exist is male family relationships. Fathers and sons (both real and otherwise) and the competing loyalities contained within. But mostly it is about punching, kicking, stabbing and shooting.



This totally needs to be a poster quote. [:D]




Qwerty Norris -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (24/5/2012 8:32:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jonson


I didn't take that as being honourable, I took that as the fact he loved beating people to death. It was what he was good at and took sadistic pleasure out of doing it. That's nasty in my book [:D]


Okay then, how about honourably nasty? [:D]




nhassell -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (24/5/2012 9:06:45 PM)

Saw it this afternoon. I was expecting to enjoy it, no dloubt, but a five star movie, with virtually no plot to it; as if. BOY was I wrong. The plot didn't matter, I had the most entertaining 100 minutes I have had at the cinema in years. Surely the greatest action film of all time, surely.




n13roy -> Totally Over-rated all round........ (24/5/2012 10:32:17 PM)

I think some of the previous reviews sum up what I thought of this Film, but just to add something extra,/ personal, I can honestly say this is the WORST Film I have seen this Year in the Cinema, and I went to see it on the recommendation of the 5 Star review Empire gave it..........

Remind me to NEVER take any notice of their ratings from now on.......




Vitamin F -> RE: Totally Over-rated all round........ (25/5/2012 10:20:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: n13roy

I think some of the previous reviews sum up what I thought of this Film, but just to add something extra,/ personal, I can honestly say this is the WORST Film I have seen this Year in the Cinema, and I went to see it on the recommendation of the 5 Star review Empire gave it..........

Remind me to NEVER take any notice of their ratings from now on.......


Need to ask, but what else have you seen at the cinema this year? What's the second worst, after The Raid?




Qwerty Norris -> RE: Totally Over-rated all round........ (25/5/2012 12:06:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Vitamin F



Need to ask, but what else have you seen at the cinema this year? What's the second worst, after The Raid?


I can only imagine the Darkest Hour and Jack & Jill passed him by....I hope.




Cool Breeze -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (25/5/2012 2:23:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Vitamin F


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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Watched Hard Boiled last night for the first time in quite a while and still love it to bits.The Raid is nowhere near as much fun as that film.If Evans make a sequel he might think of including some humour and memorable characters.It makes an action movie go a long way.


And the flipside of that is that too much humour or snappy one liners can kill any suspense in an action film stone dead.
I really don't think The Raid needed humour, but I'm sure the US remake will ignore all that and quip away...


Die Hard.

Commando.

Hard Boiled

Con Air.

The Rock.

Face Off.

Lethal Weapon.

The Last Boy Scout.

All these films are highly regarded action classics.What have they got in common besides that? They are all frequently laugh out loud funny and full of memorable one liners.The Raid could have used some of these elements.




Rgirvan44 -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (25/5/2012 2:48:04 PM)

To be fair, how many thousands didn't accomplish that?




Vitamin F -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (25/5/2012 3:29:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

To be fair, how many thousands didn't accomplish that?


Well exactly.
Some work, but a lot don't, and I personally think that the humour in Con Air, The Rock and The Last Boy Scout is shoe-horned and cringeworthy at times, and they would be better with it toned down.




OPEN YOUR EYES -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (25/5/2012 9:56:24 PM)

maybe The Raid just wanted to be its own action film.
god im tired.




n13roy -> Quick Reply.......... (25/5/2012 10:23:30 PM)

Just to clarify, some of the comments directed at me below. I go to the Cinema at least once a week, so I have seen a LOT of Films this Year, and many Years gone by come to that, and it is just MY opinion, that " The Raid " is the worst Film I've seen this Year. The silly comments posted here are really just trivial, and who the hell cares what the " second " worst Film is, I've seen this Year........

Grow up people, if someone posts a negative review, its their opinion, which is the whole point of this part of the Empire website.....




Qwerty Norris -> RE: Quick Reply.......... (26/5/2012 2:32:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: n13roy

Just to clarify, some of the comments directed at me below. I go to the Cinema at least once a week, so I have seen a LOT of Films this Year, and many Years gone by come to that, and it is just MY opinion, that " The Raid " is the worst Film I've seen this Year. The silly comments posted here are really just trivial, and who the hell cares what the " second " worst Film is, I've seen this Year........

Grow up people, if someone posts a negative review, its their opinion, which is the whole point of this part of the Empire website.....


An opinion is fine, but an explanation to yours wouldn't go amiss.




Wild about Wilder -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (26/5/2012 9:46:54 AM)

Great picks BUT I would've added Die Hard 3 just for the bit where Bruce drives through the park & Sam asks are you trying to hit these people Wilis's reply "NO!" well maybe that Mime? [sm=happy07.gif]




Mr_Milktray -> RE: No way a 5 star movie (27/5/2012 10:11:41 AM)

The Raid is YES way a 5 star movie.


Seriously considering going to see it again at the cinema. Loved it.




Vitamin F -> RE: Quick Reply.......... (28/5/2012 10:45:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: n13roy

Just to clarify, some of the comments directed at me below. I go to the Cinema at least once a week, so I have seen a LOT of Films this Year, and many Years gone by come to that, and it is just MY opinion, that " The Raid " is the worst Film I've seen this Year. The silly comments posted here are really just trivial, and who the hell cares what the " second " worst Film is, I've seen this Year........

Grow up people, if someone posts a negative review, its their opinion, which is the whole point of this part of the Empire website.....


Well I did!
Just trying to get a sense of relativity and encourage you to back up your opinion for the rest of us. No more silly than posting a "worst film ever!" comment with no meat on its bones.

I don't care now, though.




blaud -> Moves At Breakneck Speed; Violent, Beserk, And Deliriously Exciting (29/5/2012 11:28:28 AM)

There's been a real lack of true, honest-to-goodness action movies in recent times. After the release of Shoot 'Em Up, I became convinced that it was only a matter of time before western directors wised up to the popularity of such gun-fetishist, slo-mo action movies. Alas, no such luck. Now, however, after having seen The Raid, I sincerely hope westerners leave it to the people that really know how to produce an action movies. Whilst flawed, The Raid is pound for pound the most exciting and adrenaline-pumping piece of cinema in more years than I care to mention. It's a breathless, character-invested film that doesn't let up until the final scenes, and even then you're still reeling from the fight scenes and shootouts that preceded. It would have been nice if a little more time had been spent illustrating how isolated the police were, rather than just telling us (it seemed in places as if they could just walk out, and only at the end do you see they're enclosed). It would've also been nice to have a touch more substance, particularly in the earlier scenes. These are minor problems, though, as The Raid does not fall into the all-too-common trap for action movies of making the story second to the action. The plot is simple, but when linked to the masterfully-choreographed fight scenes and standoffs, it's just as much as standout. As a result, this is a hard-hitting, wonderfully entertaining and ridiculously manic 'actioner', in the truest sense of the word.




maffew -> RE: Moves At Breakneck Speed; Violent, Beserk, And Deliriously Exciting (29/5/2012 2:20:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: blaud

There's been a real lack of true, honest-to-goodness action movies in recent times. After the release of Shoot 'Em Up, I became convinced that it was only a matter of time before western directors wised up to the popularity of such gun-fetishist, slo-mo action movies. Alas, no such luck. Now, however, after having seen The Raid, I sincerely hope westerners leave it to the people that really know how to produce an action movies. Whilst flawed, The Raid is pound for pound the most exciting and adrenaline-pumping piece of cinema in more years than I care to mention. It's a breathless, character-invested film that doesn't let up until the final scenes, and even then you're still reeling from the fight scenes and shootouts that preceded. It would have been nice if a little more time had been spent illustrating how isolated the police were, rather than just telling us (it seemed in places as if they could just walk out, and only at the end do you see they're enclosed). It would've also been nice to have a touch more substance, particularly in the earlier scenes. These are minor problems, though, as The Raid does not fall into the all-too-common trap for action movies of making the story second to the action. The plot is simple, but when linked to the masterfully-choreographed fight scenes and standoffs, it's just as much as standout. As a result, this is a hard-hitting, wonderfully entertaining and ridiculously manic 'actioner', in the truest sense of the word.


You do know it's directed by a welsh man?




Woger -> RE: Moves At Breakneck Speed; Violent, Beserk, And Deliriously Exciting (29/5/2012 5:51:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: maffew


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ORIGINAL: blaud

There's been a real lack of true, honest-to-goodness action movies in recent times. After the release of Shoot 'Em Up, I became convinced that it was only a matter of time before western directors wised up to the popularity of such gun-fetishist, slo-mo action movies. Alas, no such luck. Now, however, after having seen The Raid, I sincerely hope westerners leave it to the people that really know how to produce an action movies. Whilst flawed, The Raid is pound for pound the most exciting and adrenaline-pumping piece of cinema in more years than I care to mention. It's a breathless, character-invested film that doesn't let up until the final scenes, and even then you're still reeling from the fight scenes and shootouts that preceded. It would have been nice if a little more time had been spent illustrating how isolated the police were, rather than just telling us (it seemed in places as if they could just walk out, and only at the end do you see they're enclosed). It would've also been nice to have a touch more substance, particularly in the earlier scenes. These are minor problems, though, as The Raid does not fall into the all-too-common trap for action movies of making the story second to the action. The plot is simple, but when linked to the masterfully-choreographed fight scenes and standoffs, it's just as much as standout. As a result, this is a hard-hitting, wonderfully entertaining and ridiculously manic 'actioner', in the truest sense of the word.


You do know it's directed by a welsh man?


He might be referring to Western in the geo-political meaning; modern.




Mr Grizzly -> Awesome fun (30/5/2012 4:24:32 PM)

Is it over the top? Yes. Unoriginal? Yes. Is it the action movie of the year? Most likely! It's also the most entertaining action film I've seen in years and deserves to be a cult classic! As the Empire review says it's refreshing to see fights that celebrate the choreography and avoid going for the A.D.D style fast edits when you can't tell who's hitting who. Go see it, like, now.




jrewing1000 -> RE: Awesome fun (3/6/2012 1:15:56 PM)

I'm sorry guys and gals, but I was bitterly disappointed with this. Comparisons to Die Hard and Hard Boiled are generous to say the least. Yes there is a building involved, but those two movies alone are far richer and more interesting as stories than The Raid.

The first half was fantastic. There were some really inventive, creative and original set pieces, involving slow motion, that really heightened the suspense and drama. Where did those flourishes go?? It was like the director had given up half way through, only to resort to one over long fight sequence after another.

Which brings me to the fight sequences. Strange that I found myself falling asleep during these moments!

Ok, these guys are undoubtedly skilled at martial arts, it was technically amazing. But in terms of the movie, of the story, it was just dull. dull. dull. There was just no drama in the fighting. There was no tension. No suspense.

I really wanted to enjoy this, but I just found myself dialing out once the kung fu started. Maybe these films are just not for me?




soulfood -> ACTION- PACKED (14/7/2012 11:15:34 PM)

This Movie is Action- Packed & most entertaining action film I've seen in years




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