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Kayotik -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 4:45:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: The REAL Bozz

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ORIGINAL: Kayotik


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ORIGINAL: S. C. Lee

But it's set in a different time! It's not NOW. I haven't read the other books - no, I'm about to start Catching Fire tonight.

Did you like the books then? Or did you hate the first book as much as the film? It seems a little odd that you'd read the next two if you disliked HG's so much.



I haven't read the books, but I know the stories (my friend has read them and filled me in. He was also disappointed in the film.).

So you're saying that in ten, twenty or thirty years time the wealthiest part of America will become a nation of twisted psychopaths who derive entertainment from little children being slaughtered and everyone goes along with it? You find that remotely believable?


Not meaning to but in but I will anyway, I don't find Gremlins believable but it doesn't stop me from enjoying the film. How is this even being talked about seriously? It's fiction.



Yes but there's only a certain point you can suspend your disbelief to. Gremlins is in a way almost believable because we haven't discovered every single species living on this planet. Every day Scientists find new ones. Just sayin.

Ok perhaps if the film was better I would have been able to suspend my disbelief further. Like with Battle Royale.




S. C. Lee -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 4:47:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kayotik


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ORIGINAL: S. C. Lee

But it's set in a different time! It's not NOW. I haven't read the other books - no, I'm about to start Catching Fire tonight.

Did you like the books then? Or did you hate the first book as much as the film? It seems a little odd that you'd read the next two if you disliked HG's so much.



I haven't read the books, but I know the stories (my friend has read them and filled me in. He was also disappointed in the film.).

So you're saying that in ten, twenty or thirty years time the wealthiest part of America will become a nation of twisted psychopaths who derive entertainment from little children being slaughtered and everyone goes along with it? You find that remotely believable?


What's this in ten, twenty, thirty years time... how about a thousand years? Yes, it could happen, circumstances might change, we could be taken back to a time that's not so different from the Roman republic (for example.) In other countries people are being slaughtered all the time in the name of religion, they're starving - now.

People can be horrible... you're looking at it through modern western eyes and that's the problem.




S. C. Lee -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 4:48:36 PM)

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S. C. Lee -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 4:48:43 PM)

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Kayotik -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 4:55:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: S. C. Lee

Ok, I'm gonna stop posting - for a while because the 500 error is only effecting this thread for some reason.


Just ignore it, when it comes up it means your post has still posted. Just don't refresh or anything and close the page after posting.

You raise a fair point about the Roman times and such with Gladiators and Slaves etc, but it's harder to believe nowadays because we had advanced even just slightly more than then.

I think I just personally have a problem believing such a civilised world would enjoy it so much. Perhaps because it's children, and that's why. If they were adults, such as in The Running Man, then I could probably believe it a lot more. I think that's all it's coming down to with me, I can't believe people would enjoy watching children murdered.




The REAL Bozz -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 4:58:26 PM)

I see your point but I just don't look at it that way. It's just a film. A well made one too IMO. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.




S. C. Lee -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 5:03:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kayotik


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ORIGINAL: S. C. Lee

Ok, I'm gonna stop posting - for a while because the 500 error is only effecting this thread for some reason.


I can't believe people would enjoy watching children murdered.


I can't either and that's the point. And Bozz, films and books aren't open to debate? Lots of less interesting, not to mention sillier subjects have been discussed on this board. I'm not having a go at you, just saying. Glad you enjoyed the film [8D]




The REAL Bozz -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 5:49:38 PM)

That's the last time I try and back you up [;)]




Deviation -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 6:19:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kayotik

To be fair, all you did there was explain what was told to you. You haven't explained why or even how anyone allows this to go on, or why they came up with the thought "You know what would be a great idea, let's have some little kids butcher each other for live television!".
Upon seeing their own children murdered, the parents and other parents would rise up in such anger. They would have something to fight for and that would be the safety of their own kids. There's no way they would allow such a government to take their children and gleefully make them fight to the death.

Either that or everyone in this world is a raving sociopath.



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I can't believe people would enjoy watching children murdered.



You'll loooooooooooooooooooooooooooove Battle Royale and its sequel.





S. C. Lee -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 6:21:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: The REAL Bozz

That's the last time I try and back you up [;)]


Awe, can't we all just get along [sm=33.gif]




Cool Breeze -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 9:11:53 PM)

The HUGE box office success of this (And other Teen baiting adaptaions like Twilight) actually scares the hell out of me.It may convince studios to just make this kind of stuff and nothing else.




matty_b -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 9:16:42 PM)

Yeah, screw all this appealing to teen nonsense.

What we want is something mature like Star Wars or Expendables.




Cool Breeze -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 9:18:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

Yeah, screw all this appealing to teen nonsense.

What we want is something mature like Star Wars or Expendables.


Star Wars and Expendables are not aimed at teenage girls.Although im sure there are a few out there who do like said franchises.




matty_b -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 9:19:37 PM)

That's not my point.

EDIT - and films aimed at teenage boys are OK, but ones at teenage girls aren't? Oh, OK then.




Rgirvan44 -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 10:08:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

The HUGE box office success of this (And other Teen baiting adaptaions like Twilight) actually scares the hell out of me.It may convince studios to just make this kind of stuff and nothing else.


Oh so you have seen it? Well lets hear your review.




MonsterCat -> RE: The Hunger Games (26/3/2012 10:30:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

The HUGE box office success of this (And other Teen baiting adaptaions like Twilight) actually scares the hell out of me.It may convince studios to just make this kind of stuff and nothing else.


What, more films with smart, strong and kick-ass female characters? Doesn't necessarily sound like a bad thing to me. *

But I wouldn't worry, Mr. Breezy: I'm sure there's still room for films like The Expendables 2: Electric Boogaloo

*I'm just going from read in the book. Hopefully I'll get to see the flick at some point. It looks cool.




TheGodfather -> (26/3/2012 10:37:57 PM)


Seen together with my girlfriend in cinema tonight:

The Hunger Games
The principle behind the story is promising but when it finished I had the idea that the full potential of the story wasn`t used. It looks like (I haven`t read the books) the story wasn`t completely worked out and it wasn`t dark enough for this cinema version.
What is left over is an enjoyable film that is somewhat inconsistent.
And Jennifer Lawrence again shows that she`s a great acting talent.

6,5/10




S. C. Lee -> RE: A fucking teen book? (26/3/2012 11:59:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

Yeah, screw all this appealing to teen nonsense.

What we want is something mature like Star Wars or Expendables.


Star Wars and Expendables are not aimed at teenage girls.Although im sure there are a few out there who do like said franchises.


Yeah, because the Hunger Games is only aimed at teenage girls, which is why the box office receipts were so HUGE [8|]




Kayotik -> RE: A fucking teen book? (27/3/2012 4:21:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Deviation

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ORIGINAL: Kayotik

To be fair, all you did there was explain what was told to you. You haven't explained why or even how anyone allows this to go on, or why they came up with the thought "You know what would be a great idea, let's have some little kids butcher each other for live television!".
Upon seeing their own children murdered, the parents and other parents would rise up in such anger. They would have something to fight for and that would be the safety of their own kids. There's no way they would allow such a government to take their children and gleefully make them fight to the death.

Either that or everyone in this world is a raving sociopath.



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I can't believe people would enjoy watching children murdered.



You'll loooooooooooooooooooooooooooove Battle Royale and its sequel.




I actually really enjoyed Battle Royale. Like I said I think that's the difference, if I'm really enjoying a film I'll suspend my disbelief more.




jcthefirst -> RE: The Hunger Games (28/3/2012 1:16:42 PM)

I thought the whole film was surprisingly, and pleasantly, low key. However, while playing this card, it makes it hard to get excited by much in the whole thing.

Having read the book some of the scenes felt a little rushed (the whole Rue bit for instance), but overall an enjoyable franchise starter that builds it's world quickly and effiiciently without treating the audience like idiots.

3 and a half stars




S. C. Lee -> RE: The Hunger Games (28/3/2012 4:33:03 PM)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/mar/28/hunger-games-12a-classification-concerned-parents

The Daily Mail has complained that the film's subject matter is too violent for a 12A. Here we go again.




BatSpider -> Hello! (28/3/2012 10:59:23 PM)

I agree with Kayotic - cheers bruv! Most of this lot don't understand the main point. They want to munch their overpriced popcorn and Fanta and then head for the exit with their brain cell still in neutral. Sorry tools, but the concept of kids killing kids while a world of adults looks on needs to be more challenging or don't create the concept at all. People need to understand cause and consequence. If the adults in the story need to look at themselves, then so do the people shelling out to the book and movie for the purpose of nothing other than 'entertainment'.

BTW, would it be hypocritical to admit part of my beef with The Hunger Games is that Jennifer Lawrence should never have been Mystique in First Class? I mean, seriously - she's suppose to grow up to look like Rebecca Romijn Stamos?




BatSpider -> Hello! (28/3/2012 10:59:28 PM)

I agree with Kayotic - cheers bruv! Most of this lot don't understand the main point. They want to munch their overpriced popcorn and Fanta and then head for the exit with their brain cell still in neutral. Sorry tools, but the concept of kids killing kids while a world of adults looks on needs to be more challenging or don't create the concept at all. People need to understand cause and consequence. If the adults in the story need to look at themselves, then so do the people shelling out to the book and movie for the purpose of nothing other than 'entertainment'.

BTW, would it be hypocritical to admit part of my beef with The Hunger Games is that Jennifer Lawrence should never have been Mystique in First Class? I mean, seriously - she's suppose to grow up to look like Rebecca Romijn Stamos?




Stillwater -> RE: The Hunger Games (28/3/2012 11:17:08 PM)

Couple of things

- Just because a film is based on a book aimed at a certain market (young adults) doesn't mean it is automatically going to be rubbish. The Hobbit is a children's book, I wonder how many people are going to complain that it is bound to be rubbish because of that?
- Some people clearly are a) not watching the film properly and b) need every detail explained to them. What is the purpose of the Hunger Games? It's explained in the opening two second before anything else occurs on screen and is then developed later on. Why are the sponsers important? Haymitch deliver a speech about why exactly they are important. What does the hand signal mean? It's a sign of respect. Do you really need someone to explain that out loud on screen before you get it?

I went to see this tonight and I enjoyed it. I thought there were a couple of things which were amiss having read the books. Effie certainly lacks any real character development or purpose in the film. I too wondered why they didn't just set the tree Katniss climbed up on fire when seeing it in the film, though that never occurred to me when reading the book. I liked the addition of seeing behind the scenes. I also thought how Seneca Cranes story went packed quite a punch at the end.




S. C. Lee -> RE: The Hunger Games (28/3/2012 11:54:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Stillwater

Couple of things

- Just because a film is based on a book aimed at a certain market (young adults) doesn't mean it is automatically going to be rubbish. The Hobbit is a children's book, I wonder how many people are going to complain that it is bound to be rubbish because of that?
- Some people clearly are a) not watching the film properly and b) need every detail explained to them. What is the purpose of the Hunger Games? It's explained in the opening two second before anything else occurs on screen and is then developed later on. Why are the sponsers important? Haymitch deliver a speech about why exactly they are important. What does the hand signal mean? It's a sign of respect. Do you really need someone to explain that out loud on screen before you get it?

I went to see this tonight and I enjoyed it. I thought there were a couple of things which were amiss having read the books. Effie certainly lacks any real character development or purpose in the film. I too wondered why they didn't just set the tree Katniss climbed up on fire when seeing it in the film, though that never occurred to me when reading the book. I liked the addition of seeing behind the scenes. I also thought how Seneca Cranes story went packed quite a punch at the end.


We need a clapping smiley, this will have to do [sm=worship.gif]




elab49 -> RE: Hello! (29/3/2012 12:28:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BatSpider

I agree with Kayotic - cheers bruv! Most of this lot don't understand the main point. They want to munch their overpriced popcorn and Fanta and then head for the exit with their brain cell still in neutral. Sorry tools, but the concept of kids killing kids while a world of adults looks on needs to be more challenging or don't create the concept at all. People need to understand cause and consequence. If the adults in the story need to look at themselves, then so do the people shelling out to the book and movie for the purpose of nothing other than 'entertainment'.




You may have missed the unofficial warning on the Prometheus thread so we'll repeat it here - if you wish to continue posting on Empire you're going to have to forego your go-to terms of abuse for other posters on the site. Keep to the posts and keep it civil, please.





Rgirvan44 -> RE: Hello! (29/3/2012 12:33:51 AM)

Not the best trolling I have seen sadly.




elab49 -> RE: Hello! (29/3/2012 12:36:18 AM)

Why is every poster on this site so bleedin' pass remarkable. [:D]




Darth Marenghi -> RE: Hello! (29/3/2012 2:47:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: st3veebee

WHAT'S NOT QUITE AS GOOD/ JUST PLAIN BAD:

-One moment is unintenionally hilarious and I noted that others found it very amusing as well. Reveal: When Peeta reveals his camouflage out in the wild



I think that moment is clearly meant to be funny.




BatSpider -> RE: Hello! (29/3/2012 8:48:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: elab49

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ORIGINAL: BatSpider

I agree with Kayotic - cheers bruv! Most of this lot don't understand the main point. They want to munch their overpriced popcorn and Fanta and then head for the exit with their brain cell still in neutral. Sorry tools, but the concept of kids killing kids while a world of adults looks on needs to be more challenging or don't create the concept at all. People need to understand cause and consequence. If the adults in the story need to look at themselves, then so do the people shelling out to the book and movie for the purpose of nothing other than 'entertainment'.




You may have missed the unofficial warning on the Prometheus thread so we'll repeat it here - if you wish to continue posting on Empire you're going to have to forego your go-to terms of abuse for other posters on the site. Keep to the posts and keep it civil, please.





Sorry lad, actually I just want my own avatar and movie signature quote. I tried to apply for one in my profile but it didn't work...disappointed and frustrated!




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