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The Hooded Man -> Batman after Nolan (1/3/2012 3:30:17 PM)

Warners have said they'll be rebooting once Nolan walks away. Makes sense given how profitable the franchise but what do we expect from this?




Marwood -> RE: Batman after Nolan (1/3/2012 3:47:09 PM)

Apparently he's still due to serve in some producing capacity (I expect in a similar fashion to his duties on Man of Steel...which seem to be helping develop the concept, hiring a director and then sodding off) so thankfully I doubt it will be a return to the Forever and & Robin days.

Personally I expect WB will still try and take a lighter approach and make it a bit more sci-fi; I love what Nolan has done with the series so far but I can't see anyone will want to try a direct sequel to TDKR and any new filmmaker signing onto it worth their salt would want to put their own stamp on the series.

I foresee a very loose sequel rather than a reboot which gives yet another retelling of the origin; hopefully it will retain the same respect for the core characters/concepts and keeps a level of versimilitude but to be a bit different will also be a little more fantastical. I'd be happy seeing Nolan churn out sequel after sequel providing he kept up the quality control but if a new creative team takes over then I think it has to stand apart from what has come before. It doesn't mean the new films can't acknowledge Nolans entries in some way but they should be their own beast as well.

One outstanding thought is whether WB will take a Marvel screen approach and use this reboot as an opportunity to team their characters up; it's a bit foggy on that front as they had that aborted Justice League film but in Green Lantern there were no hints about other heroes existing in that world and it's yet to be seen if Man of Steel takes the same approach. I'm good either way providing they can make it work (I'd still love to see a live action Batman & Superman teamup) but if this new Batman is going to end up meeting Supes et al in a later film then for character consistency the approach should have some similarity IMO.

One thing I like a lot about the Marvel films from Iron Man onwards is they all have a similar tone and look (while also having their own specific touches of course) which seems to be continued in The Avengers so you can believe these disparate characters inhabit the same world/s. If that is WB's ultimate plan then I believe they should consider a similar method. I couldn't see Ryan Reynold's Hal Jordan popping up in Nolan's Gotham City for example.

If the DC heroes are to remain separate from each other then that's all good too and the new Batman films could theoretically do anything. I do expect a lighter touch as mentioned above in the same way things were changed up between Returns and Forever but not something as juvenile as Schumacher's efforts.




Sotto Voce -> RE: Batman after Nolan (1/3/2012 3:48:47 PM)

Been thinking of doing the same thread, but will it be redirected to the other Batman thread? Time will tell.

I'm expecting a move away from the realism toward something that will allow more SF elements, but hopefully with a reasonable degree of believability.

I don't imagine they'll do the origin story again. Might even include Robin, Batgirl, Nightwing?

Here's an idea- set it in the 30s, based on the very first comics?




The Hooded Man -> RE: Batman after Nolan (1/3/2012 4:49:29 PM)

I just don't want to see another origin tale like what's happening with the Spider-Man franchise. Should do it like the Bond films up to Casino Royale where new actor in role just gets on with it.




OPEN YOUR EYES -> RE: Batman after Nolan (1/3/2012 5:02:55 PM)

I'd love to see a film partially based on Frank Millers Dark Knight,though TDKR seems to be heading that way slightly with regards to Bruce Wayne seemignly being out of Batman-action for 8years after TDK.

Maybe a Batman Beyond take?




The Hooded Man -> RE: Batman after Nolan (1/3/2012 5:06:38 PM)

Good point, it's been a complaint of mine that because of the cost involved and the need to get people who aren't fans of the comic books to watch the films, we haven't seen any one off type stories like Superman Red Son or Gotham By Gaslight, nor are we likely to.




Sotto Voce -> RE: Batman after Nolan (1/3/2012 5:08:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

I'd love to see a film partially based on Frank Millers Dark Knight,though TDKR seems to be heading that way slightly with regards to Bruce Wayne seemignly being out of Batman-action for 8years after TDK.

Maybe a Batman Beyond take?


Don't think that will be the next film,  but I wouldn't be too surprised if we saw that at some point.
They could do worse than to look at the animated series for an idea of tone.




Sotto Voce -> RE: Batman after Nolan (1/3/2012 5:10:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: The Hooded Man

Good point, it's been a complaint of mine that because of the cost involved and the need to get people who aren't fans of the comic books to watch the films, we haven't seen any one off type stories like Superman Red Son or Gotham By Gaslight, nor are we likely to.


Hopefully DC might get into that sort of thing with their animated features.




Le Tenia -> RE: Batman after Nolan (1/3/2012 10:29:36 PM)

Would love to see them doing Arkham Asylum/City. No Bruce Wayne, just Batman up against Joker, Penguin, Riddler etc.

Oh, and Jon Hamm cast as Batman.




NCC1701A -> RE: Batman after Nolan (2/3/2012 9:30:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Le Tenia

Would love to see them doing Arkham Asylum/City. No Bruce Wayne, just Batman up against Joker, Penguin, Riddler etc.

Oh, and Jon Hamm cast as Batman.


Good idea better then them telling another origin tale again.




Rob -> RE: Batman after Nolan (2/3/2012 10:11:42 AM)

I'd like to see them go down a slightly more fantastical route more in keeping with the comics. I adore Nolan's work but I'm also dying to see the less realistic villains such as Killer Croc, Man-Bat, Hush etc and a supporting cast of Robin, Nightwing, Oracle, Azrael

It can still be gritty and a million miles away from Batman and Robin but something like the animated series without the art deco stylings




JIm R -> RE: Batman after Nolan (2/3/2012 10:13:22 AM)

In before the lock.....

Posted similar thoughts in main Batman Thread but basically (and it's totally unrealistic I know) but I hope after TDKR, another Batman film beyond any that Nolan, Bale et al choose to make, is never made, as you will never make a more perfect 'vision' of the character than these most recent films.

Studio love of the $$$$ will mean inevitably they do make more and if they MUST, then get David Fincher on the phone as quick as you like.

Personally if it was down to me (and appreciate it's not [:D]), give Nolan a break, then come back to it in 6-7 years and make a 40+ something Batman, Batman film.




adambatman82 -> RE: Batman after Nolan (2/3/2012 11:45:44 AM)

I'd like to see something that captures the style of Arkham City. That captured the spirit of Batman in ways even the Nolan films didn't.




Marwood -> RE: Batman after Nolan (2/3/2012 12:04:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rob

I'd like to see them go down a slightly more fantastical route more in keeping with the comics. I adore Nolan's work but I'm also dying to see the less realistic villains such as Killer Croc, Man-Bat, Hush etc and a supporting cast of Robin, Nightwing, Oracle, Azrael

It can still be gritty and a million miles away from Batman and Robin but something like the animated series without the art deco stylings


That's in line with what I was thinking too; some might argue that the inclusion of partners or the "Bat Family" is a bad idea and helped kill the franchise in Schumacher's hands but if future films were presented as very loose sequels or at least maintained some vague connection with Nolan's films then you've still got this theme of escalation running throughout. Anne Hathaway's Catwoman is (possibly) a costume type who straddles the hero/villain line and we've seen the Batman copycats so the logical next step in those terms would be other vigilante types. Again if the new films have some connection to Nolan's films they have a jumping off point for introducing characters like Robin/Nightwing, Batgirl and Azrael.

A popular interpretation of Batgirl is that she was inspired by both Batman and her father Commissioner Gordon to fight crime but hews closer to not breaking laws and causing the kind of damage Batman does; she's got more of a social conscience in that respect. He eventually takes her under his wing realising her potential but also as she has a different background she brings something else to the mission than he can: compassion. Plus if you wanted to follow through to what happens to her in The Killing Joke that would be a lovely way to bring Joker back into the series.

The only problem when you have a lot of new characters to set up is that it takes the focus off Batman so if things like this were to happen I hope the creative team would keep in mind that he's still the star of the show and manage the ensembles as well as Nolan has done so far. Ok with TDK you couldn't help but be drawn to Joker but a character like that (and played so well) will always eat up the screen so you just need to balance it.

In terms of villains I'd rather leave the more fantastical ones out really; Man Bat is a no go for me but certainly ones we haven't seen yet or not since the 90s films have plenty of room for good re-interpretation. Black Mask, Hush and Penguin are some I really would have loved to see in the Nolan films so think they have some way cleared now to debut in the new series. Riddler is another good one and I'd actually like to see Killer Croc but a little more realistic than the reptilian brute that he's been portrayed as for a decade or so in other media. One thing I and a few others discussed on the other Batman thread was the idea of Croc being a brick shithouse with ichthyosis (the "alligator skin" disease) hence his moniker but not for him to actually have any mutant/reptilian traits. That would still work nicely in something a bit more fantastical than Nolan's take.




Titanm21 -> RE: Batman after Nolan (2/3/2012 12:14:23 PM)

Reckon we'll get an other Batman trilogy with Robin in the 1st one moving on to be Nightwing by the last one and a spin off maybe...

Edited due to spelling like a fool




Marwood -> RE: Batman after Nolan (2/3/2012 1:21:42 PM)

Actually I wouldn't mind seeing an adaptation of The Sword of Azrael - I think it would be a good one to change up the status quo without going too mental too early on. It's got intrigue, mystery, what initially appear to be some supernatural/out there connotations and a character that is almost something of a more extreme version of Batman for him to battle (and make him raise questions about himself).

Plus the idea of something in a funky outfit wielding flaming swords is unlikely to ever get old in my eyes. Apart from maybe Ultraviolet....but that film was a crock of shit from start to end.




Dirk Miggler -> RE: Batman after Nolan (2/3/2012 4:05:07 PM)

I would agree sonething similar in tone to the Arkham games would translate well to film.

Nolan has shown the way, anything that resorts back to the campfest kid friendly shite we had in the past is doing the character a disservice IMO.




Marwood -> RE: Batman after Nolan (2/3/2012 4:13:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dirk Miggler

I would agree sonething similar in tone to the Arkham games would translate well to film.

Nolan has shown the way, anything that resorts back to the campfest kid friendly shite we had in the past is doing the character a disservice IMO.


Another reason I'm glad he's apparently serving in some producing role for the next round of films.




Wild about Wilder -> RE: Batman after Nolan (2/3/2012 5:12:18 PM)

Had me worried for a second there Marwood when I saw your name alongside Batman after your previous swearing off untill closer inspection of the title. [sm=08.gif]




Whistler -> RE: Batman after Nolan (2/3/2012 6:59:49 PM)

I think whatever it is it has to go down the "less realistic" path. If whoever makes it tries to emulate the style and tone of Nolan's Batman, they'll most likely fail. I love what Nolan's done with the films, but I too would welcome a more "regular" type Batman, a straight-out superhero film with OTT villains, instead of a serious, character-based film.




Sutty -> RE: Batman after Nolan (2/3/2012 7:20:05 PM)

Batboy...?


Bit like The Muppet Babies, with a pre teen Joker, Riddler, Penguin, etc. Though having a pre teen Catgirl may verge on the inappropriate...

Alfred could be Batboys teenage babysitter and he dashes round on a bat trike.

Imagine Bugsy Malone crossed with Tim Burtons Batman...

Just a suggestion.  [;)]




Darth Marenghi -> RE: Batman after Nolan (2/3/2012 7:42:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marwood

Plus if you wanted to follow through to what happens to her in The Killing Joke that would be a lovely way to bring Joker back into the series.



You have a weird definition of 'lovely', Marwood! [;)]




sanctumest -> RE: Batman after Nolan (2/3/2012 11:22:57 PM)

Surely all the Bat characters in comic world where introduced to sell comics? They have no real impact as they have never been written to have impact. Batman should be about Batman. If WB reboot you can bet it'll be younger and techier. If that's a word.

As long as it's brave, I won't mind. Younger and more futuristic? Go for it. Old and bitter? Good (doubt it though!). Just don't be bland!




adambatman82 -> RE: Batman after Nolan (3/3/2012 12:37:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sutty

Batboy...?


Bit like The Muppet Babies, with a pre teen Joker, Riddler, Penguin, etc. Though having a pre teen Catgirl may verge on the inappropriate...

Alfred could be Batboys teenage babysitter and he dashes round on a bat trike.

Imagine Bugsy Malone crossed with Tim Burtons Batman...

Just a suggestion.  [;)]


You were beaten to it - Gotham High.

EDIT - images don't work in this thread so click here instead - http://godsowncrunk.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/gothamhigh.jpg


I actually think that would have been a pretty cool animated show.




Sutty -> RE: Batman after Nolan (3/3/2012 1:07:26 AM)

damn!




Marwood -> RE: Batman after Nolan (3/3/2012 9:16:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Wild about Wilder

Had me worried for a second there Marwood when I saw your name alongside Batman after your previous swearing off untill closer inspection of the title. [sm=08.gif]


Nope, still trying my hardest to avoid any more TDKR spoilers.

Actually that's a point guys, can we all agree not to post any blatant spoilery stuff regarding TDKR and how it might inform any future films? I know the chances of the next Batman flick being a direct sequel to it is slim but I'm still trying not to ruin any surprises for myself for that one so if anyone has read or knows anything massive about TDKR's resolution please use invisitext if you post anything about it.

Darth - yes, on reflection perhaps lovely wasn't the right word [:D] How about "ideal way to bring Joker back into the series" [;)]




spark1 -> RE: Batman after Nolan (3/3/2012 12:48:12 PM)

adapting any major comic book stories means paying the original writers more than a creators credit so its not going to happen with any new wave of dc comic movies or marvel for that matter.

they may take characters and situations on as they did with 'x3' and 'wolverine' but that as far as it will go.




Rgirvan44 -> RE: Batman after Nolan (3/3/2012 12:56:04 PM)

No more movies which are "dark" and have Batman crying mummy and daddy. A super fun movie series is what we need!

I am of course, talking about the live action Batman:Brave and the Bold.

Make it happen Warners!




spark1 -> RE: Batman after Nolan (3/3/2012 2:03:55 PM)

interesting bit about how peterson's 'batman v superman' became 'batman begins'-


http://www.movieline.com/2012/02/28/exclusive-book-excerpt-how-batman-vs-supermans-development-hell-gave-way-to-batman-begins/




Wild about Wilder -> RE: Batman after Nolan (3/3/2012 3:24:16 PM)

Maybe BUT! lets not go all Schumacher shall we?
Bat nipples [sm=icon8.gif]




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