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Empire Admin -> Billy Connolly Is In The Hobbit (9/2/2012 7:47:15 AM)

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partybee -> Magic. (9/2/2012 7:47:15 AM)

He's had his ropey moments in film, but if Jackson keeps him disciplined with a good mix of respect for the material and just being himself, you could easily get some of Middle Earth's funniest moments.




willy2fly -> Inspired casting from PJ! (9/2/2012 9:38:50 AM)

What a great bit of casting for The Hobbit. Seriously cant wait for the first instalment. Getting to visit Middle Earth every Christmas with the missus and family was magical and we are all hyped we get to go back again for two more years starting this year. My biggest wish is after these movies are done that Peter Jackson adapts the Silmarillion. I have the feeling he will be done after these tho!




willy2fly -> Inspired casting from PJ! (9/2/2012 9:39:00 AM)

What a great bit of casting for The Hobbit. Seriously cant wait for the first instalment. Getting to visit Middle Earth every Christmas with the missus and family was magical and we are all hyped we get to go back again for two more years starting this year. My biggest wish is after these movies are done that Peter Jackson adapts the Silmarillion. I have the feeling he will be done after these tho!




willy2fly -> Inspired casting from PJ! (9/2/2012 9:39:16 AM)

What a great bit of casting for The Hobbit. Seriously cant wait for the first instalment. Getting to visit Middle Earth every Christmas with the missus and family was magical and we are all hyped we get to go back again for two more years starting this year. My biggest wish is after these movies are done that Peter Jackson adapts the Silmarillion. I have the feeling he will be done after these tho!




fiercehairdo -> Not sure at all (9/2/2012 11:07:59 AM)

Sorry, but every time I've seen Billy Connolly in a movie it has killed the illusion because Billy Connolly only does Billy Connolly. Some people's personas are too big, too defined, to be reconfigured into the illusion of other characters. This reminds me of PJ casting Jack Black in King Kong... it didn't come off because one just keeps seeing Jack Black and not the character. And Connolly is less of an actor than Black. To be honest I have a similar problem with Stephen Fry in movies - just can't get past the "oh, its Stephen Fry" bit in a way that oddly doesn't occur with real actors despite their fame.




waltham1979 -> Inspired (9/2/2012 11:18:10 AM)

Love the Big Yin and the man can act. HOWEVER one man who cannot act for toffee is Orlando Bloom - he sticks out on the list like a poo floating in an otherwise delicious soup!! Thought he was terrible in LOTR and he has continued to be terrible in everything he has been in since!! *shudders at the thought of seeing him in another film*




Halfling -> RE: Not sure at all (9/2/2012 11:19:30 AM)

Understand what you're saying, though he was superb in Mrs Brown, but I think once he gets the 'dwarf costume' on, you won't think twice. Personally, I'm made up - this cast is just so fantastic. My only disappointment is PJ claiming that casting is now complete - I've been holding out for a Viggo spot for months!!




Halfling -> RE: Inspired (9/2/2012 11:20:32 AM)

But he only reeeeally has to look pretty...........and he IS pretty!




waltham1979 -> Inspired (9/2/2012 11:30:43 AM)

Pretty??!?!!! Really???? I mean don't get me wrong I appreciate a good looking man as much as the next hertosexual man with an odd man crush!! (Hmm Christian Bale....!!) But Bloom just looks like a plank of wood with a bad, porn star goatie with a chin!!




paddyh28 -> RE: Not sure at all (9/2/2012 12:19:14 PM)

I have the same worry - a big 'yes' to Billy in Mrs Brown, but other than that (see The Last Samurai where he even tried an Irish accent!) it's been Billy Connolly starring as Billy Connolly. Even more so with Stephen Fry. Outcome? One slight worry amidst my general hysterical excitement at the Hobbit movies returning us to PJ's Middle Earth. Please prove me wrong Peter Jackson (but even more so, Messrs Connolly and Fry!!)




Halfling -> RE: Inspired (9/2/2012 12:26:28 PM)

Now that's just harsh! He ACTS like a plank of wood, but definately pretty (BTW - with you on the Christian Bale thing, but then I'm a hetrosexual female!)




Spaldron -> RE: Not sure at all (9/2/2012 12:41:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: fiercehairdo
This reminds me of PJ casting Jack Black in King Kong... it didn't come off because one just keeps seeing Jack Black and not the character. And Connolly is less of an actor than Black.


This is one hilarious quote. [sm=happy07.gif]




Simon124 -> RE: Not sure at all (9/2/2012 3:35:23 PM)

I have to agree Fierce, I can't help but get the feeling that PJ is being forced to comprimise a bit here; First the story in 2 films a la Potter/ Twilight, then 3D, now casting household family freindly names you can recognise, not that it's such a bad thing, but Fry and Connolly will need to tone it down a bit...




OPEN YOUR EYES -> RE: Not sure at all (9/2/2012 4:04:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Simon124

I have to agree Fierce, I can't help but get the feeling that PJ is being forced to comprimise a bit here; First the story in 2 films a la Potter/ Twilight, then 3D, now casting household family freindly names you can recognise, not that it's such a bad thing, but Fry and Connolly will need to tone it down a bit...



I hear they might be casting Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders too[;)]




waltham1979 -> RE: Not sure at all (9/2/2012 4:07:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Simon124

I have to agree Fierce, I can't help but get the feeling that PJ is being forced to comprimise a bit here; First the story in 2 films a la Potter/ Twilight, then 3D, now casting household family freindly names you can recognise, not that it's such a bad thing, but Fry and Connolly will need to tone it down a bit...



I don't get that at all. If PJ was being forced to compromise here (I'm assuming you mean by the studio) he would be casting Tom Cruise as Bilbo or another big pull name. None of the actors that Jackson has ever used, barring King Kong, have been house hold names at all.

Additonally, with the greatest of respect to both Fry and Connolly (both whom are utterly superb character actors whom have played various different roles - especially Fry!!), no one is going to see they are in this and then all of a sudden want to see the film?!




KeithM -> RE: Not sure at all (9/2/2012 4:44:08 PM)

Just hope nobody heckles him on set...




horribleives -> RE: Not sure at all (9/2/2012 6:52:10 PM)

Fry, Connelly...Only Ben Elton to go and it's a veritable Monarchy Arserlicker Jackpot. Go, Jackson!




JediBobster -> (9/2/2012 8:14:14 PM)

Maybe Connolly can convince Jackson to make his films a little shorter too.




JediBobster -> . (9/2/2012 8:14:22 PM)

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fiercehairdo -> RE: . (9/2/2012 9:05:51 PM)

This article sums up the problems with all the stunt casting nicely: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/feb/09/hobbit-peter-jackson-billy-connolly




fiercehairdo -> Stunt Casting (9/2/2012 9:08:27 PM)

This article sums up the problems with stunt casting quite nicely: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/feb/09/hobbit-peter-jackson-billy-connolly




elab49 -> RE: Stunt Casting (9/2/2012 9:42:33 PM)

What a very parochial article. People in the UK might have some familiarity with a bunch of British TV names, but the money comes from the US for whom most of those names are possibly even bigger nonentities than the original unknowns were.

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Dain won't have much screen time, yet needs to make an instant impact: casting an actor of Connolly's status and gravitas instantly does the trick, but it's a quick and easy fix to a problem that (for me) deserved a more honest solution


And what in heavens name does this actually mean? An instant impact, they think they've solved the problem - I'm not clear how that is dishonest. Is the honest answer casting someone the writer of the piece doesn't know from Adam and then expanding his screen time?

I'm assuming the Connolly they'll hope to bring to the role is Connolly who proved he can act in Down Among the Big Boys and the Play for Todays. As opposed to those godawful TV shows he did in the US that made him a name over there.




waltham1979 -> RE: Stunt Casting (10/2/2012 8:48:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: fiercehairdo

This article sums up the problems with stunt casting quite nicely: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/feb/09/hobbit-peter-jackson-billy-connolly


How is this stunt casting?! This is the most ridiculous article I have ever read and utterly lazy journalism!! Is the Gaurdian actually trying to convince people that actors the likes of Sylvester McCoy are household names in the UK?! Peter Jackson's casting of the likes of Liv Tyler, Sean Bean, Sir Ian McCellen, Ian Holm and Christoper Lee in the first Lord Of The Rings didn't raise an eyebrow...and they are actual big screen names!!

Don't understand what everyone is getting all het up about?!




fiercehairdo -> RE: Stunt Casting (10/2/2012 10:55:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: waltham1979

quote:

ORIGINAL: fiercehairdo

This article sums up the problems with stunt casting quite nicely: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/feb/09/hobbit-peter-jackson-billy-connolly


How is this stunt casting?! This is the most ridiculous article I have ever read and utterly lazy journalism!! Is the Gaurdian actually trying to convince people that actors the likes of Sylvester McCoy are household names in the UK?! Peter Jackson's casting of the likes of Liv Tyler, Sean Bean, Sir Ian McCellen, Ian Holm and Christoper Lee in the first Lord Of The Rings didn't raise an eyebrow...and they are actual big screen names!!

Don't understand what everyone is getting all het up about?!



I think the difference is that people like McKellen, Holm, Bean and Lee are skilled actors who are able to transcend their everyday personalities in order to embody new characters, disappearing into them as it were. The worry is that people like Fry and Connolly are much less skilled actors who simply bring the force of their public personas and many viewer can't get past their celebrity persona. This is my concern, it kills the illusion. Fingers crossed they'll pull it off but I think it's fair to flag up the problem. In The Hitchickers Guide to the Galaxy for example I couldn't get past the fact that it was Stephen Fry talking as the voice of the book - since his voice is so distinct and commonly used on adverts, audiobooks and the like.
The only one getting "het up" here is you with all the hyperbole: "utterly superb character actors" , "most ridiculous article I have ever read and utterly lazy journalism!!"... chillax dude, it's not a big issue, just an interesting discussion.




waltham1979 -> RE: Stunt Casting (10/2/2012 1:03:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: fiercehairdo


quote:

ORIGINAL: waltham1979

quote:

ORIGINAL: fiercehairdo

This article sums up the problems with stunt casting quite nicely: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/feb/09/hobbit-peter-jackson-billy-connolly


How is this stunt casting?! This is the most ridiculous article I have ever read and utterly lazy journalism!! Is the Gaurdian actually trying to convince people that actors the likes of Sylvester McCoy are household names in the UK?! Peter Jackson's casting of the likes of Liv Tyler, Sean Bean, Sir Ian McCellen, Ian Holm and Christoper Lee in the first Lord Of The Rings didn't raise an eyebrow...and they are actual big screen names!!

Don't understand what everyone is getting all het up about?!



I think the difference is that people like McKellen, Holm, Bean and Lee are skilled actors who are able to transcend their everyday personalities in order to embody new characters, disappearing into them as it were. The worry is that people like Fry and Connolly are much less skilled actors who simply bring the force of their public personas and many viewer can't get past their celebrity persona. This is my concern, it kills the illusion. Fingers crossed they'll pull it off but I think it's fair to flag up the problem. In The Hitchickers Guide to the Galaxy for example I couldn't get past the fact that it was Stephen Fry talking as the voice of the book - since his voice is so distinct and commonly used on adverts, audiobooks and the like.
The only one getting "het up" here is you with all the hyperbole: "utterly superb character actors" , "most ridiculous article I have ever read and utterly lazy journalism!!"... chillax dude, it's not a big issue, just an interesting discussion.



I'm not het up at all and I am simply trying to carry on the discussion - their have been a few posts about this being an example of Jackson selling out and one post even comparing The Hobbit to the Potter films. I do think it is lazy journalism and the most ridiculous article I have read about a film in a long time. My post was in reference to all of the previous posts and the issues that people are raising...to quote the article:

"Jackson could not have given us more familiar small screen faces had he decided to replace Cate Blanchett as Galadriel with the woman who played Ace in Doctor Who and parachuted in Keith Chegwin to portray Gandalf."

"The decision to cast a famous face in the role smacks of the kind of thinking that led the makers of Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves to send in Sean Connery at the end of that rather glib Hollywood feature"

It all just seems a very lazy and pedantic way to criticise the film before it's even released. Personally as a proud Brit I love that their are so many British actors in thie film - the more the better. Seems a very British thing to do to criticise the casting of home grown actors; stinks a little of how the British press generally trashed Christian Bale's performance in The Fighter.

Maybe I'm missing the point but I just fail to see how you claim that the casting of the likes Sylvester McCoy, Aiden Turner and Richard Armitage et al is stunt casting. I don't see how the general cinemo-going audience would be able to name drop the likes of them or would actually spend their hard earned cash and watch a film as they are in it.

Fyi: think Fry is a fantastic character actor; you only have to look at his work in the likes of Blackadder, Wilde etc to see that. Although agree with you about Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy but I think Fry is the least of the problem with that film *shudders at Mos Def's performance*





elab49 -> RE: Stunt Casting (10/2/2012 1:05:19 PM)

I'd repeat then that you've maybe just seen Connolly playing Connolly, by and large. He's given some very respectable acting performances in the past. 




waltham1979 -> RE: Stunt Casting (10/2/2012 1:44:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: elab49

I'd repeat then that you've maybe just seen Connolly playing Connolly, by and large. He's given some very respectable acting performances in the past. 


I really liked Connolly's performance in the last X-Files film; completely against type and a very believable performance for a very conflicted character...




boristhespie -> RE: Stunt Casting (10/2/2012 2:05:26 PM)

Maybe Connely, who can't act, should concentrate on increasing the thickness o his skin and actually give the audiences on his current UK standup tour the full show they paid for. Connelly is a bit of an arse. Always has been. As for acting I just don't like him as an actor.




boristhespie -> RE: Stunt Casting (10/2/2012 2:05:33 PM)

Maybe Connely, who can't act, should concentrate on increasing the thickness o his skin and actually give the audiences on his current UK standup tour the full show they paid for. Connelly is a bit of an arse. Always has been. As for acting I just don't like him as an actor.




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