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Harley Quinn -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (30/1/2013 2:30:45 PM)

Thanks Professor.

He worked in finance as a finance director but doesn't have a accountancy degree or book keeping degree to back any of it up as he was taught on the job. His not bothered about which industry he works in.

I did mention that to him but his in that mind set at the moment of "I have to be doing something!" I spoke to him earlier & told him he had to go out for a long walk to clear cobwebs away and get away from the job hunt and to refocus his mind.

I have been thinking about getting him to do some practices interviews. As he doesn't always come across well. He is slightly shy and finds it hard to relate to people at times. He can do the work and do it well but his not very good at getting that across.

That's a good piece of advice I've told him. I knew someone would suggest something rude. [:)]




Meve -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (30/1/2013 4:12:30 PM)

Poking my head into the thread, hello!

I'm a freelancer who wants to move into a fulltime role, or be a busier freelancer really! The quietness of the Christmas and New Year period is killing me and there seem to be near no jobs I can apply for either, so I'm finding myself stuck behind reception desks temping and losing all sense of any progression I've made over the past years and/or hope of a career. *le sigh*

So, how's everyone else doing today?




Olaf -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (30/1/2013 4:35:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Meve

Poking my head into the thread, hello!

I'm a freelancer who wants to move into a fulltime role, or be a busier freelancer really! The quietness of the Christmas and New Year period is killing me and there seem to be near no jobs I can apply for either, so I'm finding myself stuck behind reception desks temping and losing all sense of any progression I've made over the past years and/or hope of a career. *le sigh*

So, how's everyone else doing today?


I'm wondering something vaguely similar actually - I'm doing a bit of freelancing while I'm doing my masters but want to be able to start a fulltime job (or at least something close enough) in September. when's a good time to begin looking for work when I can't really start in a position for another eight months? And wat do when I've got more qualifications than I have work experience?




Professor Moriarty -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (30/1/2013 4:39:53 PM)

I think it kind of depends what field you are in Olaf. Some employers might be more than happy to talk to you now and give you an offer conditional on you getting your qualification.

But I'd expect about 4 months out would be more realistic. If you are looking to join a big organisation then the process could easily be 2 months.

With regard to qualifications vs experience. You'll probably want to play up that you are armed with the latest thinking in your field. And back up with things you have done outside work. E.g. if you are asked about a time when you've worked with others that could be in a team sport, or some charity work, or something else you've done that is analogous.




SWOTBM -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (30/1/2013 4:56:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JessFranco

Quick question for anyone with expertise in the area. Is an employer entitled to hold a vote on whether staff pursue collective consultation or is it automatic when 20 or more people are being made redundant?


Sounds like the employer is complying with s188(1) Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992- i.e. the employer's duty to consult with appropriate employee representative when the employer is planning on dismissing 20 or more employees from one establishment within a period of 90 days or less.




JessFranco -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (30/1/2013 8:48:19 PM)

That's seems to be what we're being told. The thing that i'm not 100% sure on is whether it's necessary for a majority of affected staff to vote in favour of collective consultation or whether they simply have to consult with elected representatives.

I see the need to elect representatives, and vote on that, but not sure whether the whole idea of collective consultation is supposed to come up for a vote.




WilliamMunny -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (30/1/2013 8:52:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Harley Quinn

Thanks Professor.

He worked in finance as a finance director but doesn't have a accountancy degree or book keeping degree to back any of it up as he was taught on the job. His not bothered about which industry he works in.

I did mention that to him but his in that mind set at the moment of "I have to be doing something!" I spoke to him earlier & told him he had to go out for a long walk to clear cobwebs away and get away from the job hunt and to refocus his mind.

I have been thinking about getting him to do some practices interviews. As he doesn't always come across well. He is slightly shy and finds it hard to relate to people at times. He can do the work and do it well but his not very good at getting that across.

That's a good piece of advice I've told him. I knew someone would suggest something rude. [:)]


If he's not on linkedin already then get him to set up a profile ASAP as lots of opportunities come through there, also get him to sign up with decent agencies - assuming you mean he works in financial services (banking, stockbroking, insurance etc) then i would recommend Eames Consulting and Iron Horse as 2 good places to go.

I was given the news of my impending redundancy last thursday, am halfway through my 10 day "consultancy" waffle and then i am on 3 months notice. Fuckity, fuckity, fuck.[:@]




Harley Quinn -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (30/1/2013 9:19:18 PM)

Munny!! Hello stranger.

I'll mention linkedin to him and get him to set up a profile. No his an accountant/book keeper type person.

Ahh sweetie that sucks big time so sorry to hear that.

Also go to the HD page now need your thoughts on his latest adventure. [:)]





The2ndRing -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (31/1/2013 7:25:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Harley Quinn

Thanks Professor.

He worked in finance as a finance director but doesn't have a accountancy degree or book keeping degree to back any of it up as he was taught on the job. His not bothered about which industry he works in.

I did mention that to him but his in that mind set at the moment of "I have to be doing something!" I spoke to him earlier & told him he had to go out for a long walk to clear cobwebs away and get away from the job hunt and to refocus his mind.

I have been thinking about getting him to do some practices interviews. As he doesn't always come across well. He is slightly shy and finds it hard to relate to people at times. He can do the work and do it well but his not very good at getting that across.

That's a good piece of advice I've told him. I knew someone would suggest something rude. [:)]


I've PM'd you a company that I can personally vouch for to help with CV re-writes and also tailoring a cover letter/CV for a particular job :)





kumar -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (31/1/2013 7:37:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Meve

Poking my head into the thread, hello!

I'm a freelancer who wants to move into a fulltime role, or be a busier freelancer really! The quietness of the Christmas and New Year period is killing me and there seem to be near no jobs I can apply for either, so I'm finding myself stuck behind reception desks temping and losing all sense of any progression I've made over the past years and/or hope of a career. *le sigh*

So, how's everyone else doing today?


Ive graduated and filling shelves at a supermarket. I got the job as an undergraduate part time and I maintained it in my final year, 2011 and 2012 while doing a masters. I reduced hours to just sunday last year because I wasnt coping well with study, and because of budgeting and stuff ive not been able to get any more hours. Its kindof ideal though really, because I dont really like the job and it stresses me out a lot, and detracts from applications a lot of the time!

Ive been applying to grad schemes and a lot of start up jobs in my field with little luck, though yesterday I had a telephone interview which I think I flopped really- they only called me a few hours in advance to let me know, so despite having my things infront of me I was under prepared, nervous, and struggled to do myself justice. I think I did ok though, I developed a good rapport by the end (and even remembered the interviewers name to say goodbye!), so it went ok. Then immediately after got a call from an agency asking if Id like to go for a temp role in a lab, which is affiliated with the uni lab I did my research in!

So while nothing has been confirmed yet, and I may still get rejected from both, these 2 things happened on the same day after months of rejections. So keep your head up and keep trying dudes!




kumar -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (31/1/2013 7:49:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Olaf


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ORIGINAL: Meve

Poking my head into the thread, hello!

I'm a freelancer who wants to move into a fulltime role, or be a busier freelancer really! The quietness of the Christmas and New Year period is killing me and there seem to be near no jobs I can apply for either, so I'm finding myself stuck behind reception desks temping and losing all sense of any progression I've made over the past years and/or hope of a career. *le sigh*

So, how's everyone else doing today?


I'm wondering something vaguely similar actually - I'm doing a bit of freelancing while I'm doing my masters but want to be able to start a fulltime job (or at least something close enough) in September. when's a good time to begin looking for work when I can't really start in a position for another eight months? And wat do when I've got more qualifications than I have work experience?


Also depends if you can manage it! Start looking right now even, and I think you should start applying as soon as Easter IF YOU CAN MANAGE IT. Lots on my course did and walked straight into PHDs, some even jobs. Personally I struggled and left it at that. Not sure if I regret it, but there are openings now that I can apply to and i know exactly what skills I have. Its all down to you really!




Hobbitonlass -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (1/2/2013 9:23:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Gram123

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ORIGINAL: shool
Get on Linkedin. All my job opportunities came through there.


Wondering, how many people here are on LinkedIn?
Are you guys linked to each other?


I'm on LinkedIn and highly reccommend to anyone who isn't. I got my current job due to a recruitment consultant seeing my status on LinkedIn as "looking for work" [:)]

I'm also connected to a few people on here.




jonson -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (1/2/2013 9:39:31 AM)

I'm on Linkedin, to be fair I don't really update my stuff on there as I'm not really enthusiastic as to whether it will benefit me at all. I'm quite the sceptic really.
However, I have friends in the POS/design sector who swear by it, have gotten some big contracts and one friend in particular reckons Linkdin got him enough contacts and work to get him out of the shit last year. It's definately worth doing as I get weekly emails and most of the people I am "linked in" with are adding new links all the time (just not me becuase I don't like being followed [8|])
I even have Jenny McShane as a linkedin friend which is weird, she even asked me, not the other way round [:)]

What is quite good though is you can see who actually looks at your profile. 2 months ago someone was trying to sue me, and he was checking on my Linkedin status daily for about 3 weeks.
I don't think he realised because I asked him in court if he was enjoying stalking me on the internet and he went bright red and ended up looking like a right weirdo.
I, naturally, enjoyed every fucking moment. [:D]




shool -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (1/2/2013 9:40:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Gram123

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ORIGINAL: shool
Get on Linkedin. All my job opportunities came through there.


Wondering, how many people here are on LinkedIn?
Are you guys linked to each other?

I joined recently as I'm currently serving my redundancy notice, and I'm desperately trying to find a new job before my current one wraps up in March. Don't want to end up wallowing in unemployment and rapidly using up all my meagre redundancy pay...

I've applied for half a dozen jobs so far, but I'm really struggling to find things that pay a comparable salary to my current job, as such jobs tend to require skills that I've never had the chance to learn. Gah.



I'm mainly linked with people in the IT industry which i work in.

Plus there are millions of recruiters on there so its a great source to connect with specialist recruiters for the field that you work in.

Edit: Plus what Hobbs said. [:)]




shool -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (1/2/2013 12:06:02 PM)

I used some specialist IT sales channel recruiters. I'll send you a PM with my URL and I'll take a look at your profile and see if I know anyone that might be useful to you.




Hobbitonlass -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (1/2/2013 12:06:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Gram123

If any of you guys are willing, PM me your LinkedIn URL and I'll gladly connect wit youse.

Done!




kumar -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (1/2/2013 4:43:03 PM)


Im on linked though a little unsure how to use it. I have about 4 connections (i dont often use it, only link to it when asked for on online applications) but I dont want to turn it into another social networking place. Ive connected with my personal tutor at university, but I have no idea how to start networking with professionals i dont know, in companies i know nothing about...




superdan -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (1/2/2013 6:37:05 PM)

Had an interview today for a job I reckon I'd be pretty good at (a lot of it is well within my skillset) and it was just awful. Genuinely uncomfortable experience, which is weird as I'm normally ok in interviews. Waffled, didn't give a good account of myself and couldn't get any kind of rapport with the interviewer at all. Fucking rubbish [&o][:(]




Sledge Hammer -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (1/2/2013 7:27:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kumar


Im on linked though a little unsure how to use it. I have about 4 connections (i dont often use it, only link to it when asked for on online applications) but I dont want to turn it into another social networking place. Ive connected with my personal tutor at university, but I have no idea how to start networking with professionals i dont know, in companies i know nothing about...

Join group discussions that might help (there are often groups where recruiters post).

The more people you are connected to, the more peoples timelines you will see - this means you might pick up on jobs. Connect in to recruiters as when one accepts you will find others approach you as they will think you are a good candidate!

Search (under advanced) for key terms to the jobs you want. Then look at the people who come up. Connect with them and once you are connected, drop them a message with your circumstances asking for a HR contact.

Hope that helps a little




JessFranco -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (1/2/2013 11:11:02 PM)

I find Linkedin confusing. People i don't know keep endorsing me for things i don't do.

Management seems to have horribly miscalculated the redundancy at work.. Looking forward to their panic when it sinks in that nobody is applying for the revised roles.




Hobbitonlass -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (4/2/2013 1:13:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JessFranco

Management seems to have horribly miscalculated the redundancy at work.. Looking forward to their panic when it sinks in that nobody is applying for the revised roles.

At a previous company a voluntary redundancy exercise happened and they were astounded at the number of people who applied (pretty much the entire department) [:D]




Meve -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (6/2/2013 11:52:55 AM)

Anyone have any dynamite coping strategies for maintaining motivation during the job hunt?
At the moment I feel like I spend so much of my time just staring miserably at blank application forms, my ability to fill one out with any enthusiasm seems to have died a fairly undramatic death.

So bored of looking for work and getting no response back!





superdan -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (6/2/2013 12:16:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Meve

So bored of looking for work and getting no response back!




I know what you mean, it's a pretty soul-destroying experience. All I can suggest (and no doubt you're sick of hearing it because I have been) is stick with it. For the first 4 and a half months I was unemployed I got nothing but rejections (if I heard anything at all) - not even one single interview. Certainly knocks the old confidence a fair bit, and made me wonder if it was ever going to change. Since NY however I've had 3 interviews, have a second interview for one of those next week and yesterday got provisionally offered a job to start at the end of the month. Basically job stuff seems to be like the proverbial buses, over 5 months unemployed and everything seemed to happen in the space of a fortnight.

As for maintaining motivation, I found (as in so many things) moderation is the key. I break job hunting up into bite-size pieces thoughout the day (apply for a couple of jobs here, a couple of jobs there etc. rather than try and do it in one 6 hour stint or whatever), and liberally sprinkle the Horror Channel in there to keep sanity [:D]




Harley Quinn -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (11/2/2013 2:13:49 PM)

Well it looks like Mr HQ has been offered a temp to perm job he is going in tomorrow to learn the ropes and do a bit of trial. It sounds great and his delighted.




jonson -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (11/2/2013 2:33:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JessFranco

I find Linkedin confusing. People i don't know keep endorsing me for things i don't do.



[:D] Yeah, I get that. 3 people endorsed me for "business strategy" I've never had a business strategy in my life, I've winged everything [:D]

Glad Mr HQ has some good news.
To be honest, I've never been unemployed in 22 years working. I consider myself very lucky in that respect, and I feel for anyone who can't work and wants to. There's enough people working who don't want to, and too many who want to and can't. And far too many who don't want to and don't need to, that's what pains me most.




elab49 -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (11/2/2013 3:57:27 PM)

That sounds awful like a jobs version of 'some hae meat and cannae eat' [:D]




kumar -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (12/2/2013 12:14:29 PM)

Just had a telephone interview for a temp position which went ok. In retrospect you can always answer questions better, but I got a rapport going with my interviewers (there were 2). How do you answer the question "what are your weaknesses" though? I got stuck on that one, stumbled, and gave a witty response, which gratefully made them laugh but I still felt a bit silly lol. Find out on Friday and then have to do a small competency next week if i get through.... Back to the job hunt i guess, how is everyone else doing?




Professor Moriarty -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (12/2/2013 12:36:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kumar

Just had a telephone interview for a temp position which went ok. In retrospect you can always answer questions better, but I got a rapport going with my interviewers (there were 2). How do you answer the question "what are your weaknesses" though? I got stuck on that one, stumbled, and gave a witty response, which gratefully made them laugh but I still felt a bit silly lol. Find out on Friday and then have to do a small competency next week if i get through.... Back to the job hunt i guess, how is everyone else doing?


Think it depends a bit on what kind of job you are after.

If you can you are probably best going with something that clearly you've worked hard to address and even better if it isn't part of the job. Let's say that your previous job was in sales and you had to do a lot of cold calling. And your new job is again in sales but a step along where leads will have been generated for you. So you could go with something like, the part of my last job I really didn't like was cold calling. But I worked really hard on it and always achieved above quota, so I can appreciate what a tough job the people have in generating leads and will do my best to handle them as such.




kumar -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (12/2/2013 12:47:46 PM)

It was part of a wider question including my strengths too, which i answered fairly well, but the second part caught me off a bit, but went onto self skills assesment blah blah. They dug it.

edit: also just got an email for a grad scheme I applied to in December, saying i passed the tel interview a couple of weeks ago and invited to a selection centre (date to be selected). Feeling pretty good today [:)]




Rebenectomy -> RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other through it Thread (13/2/2013 8:29:03 PM)

So, here's my current job predicament, any and all advice welcome.

I'm currently working part time as a supervisor in retail, barely making over minimum wage and at times working fairly unsocial and un-child care friendly hours. Since Christmas my hours have dropped dramatically, to the extent that my weekly pay packet is barely enough to cover my rent (this week it was actually 1 short), and I'm having to rely on my child and working tax credits to cover utilities, food and other incidentals. I have nothing whatsoever left over each week, and it's getting so bad that I'm having to walk to and from work (an hour long journey) in shitty weather and sometimes late at night, to save on bus fare. I'm actually wondering if I'd be better off quitting, and signing on. I've never been on the dole before and I'd like to work, though at nearly four months pregnant, getting another decent job is unlikely at this point in time, though I could perhaps get temping work in admin, which is what I'd like to go back to when my maternity period is over anyway.

Can you sign on if you resign voluntarily? Has anyone else been in a situation like this, where financially they are no better off working?




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