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shool -> Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 2:21:53 PM)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/16470512

What are your thoughts on this. Is pornography, social networking and the internet promoting a more promiscuous society? If so what is the consequence of this?




JIm R -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 2:35:57 PM)

Yes, but I'll have to give the reasons some more thought, busy at work at mo.




Olaf -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 2:40:54 PM)

Hasn't the internet been around for nearly twenty years? And this new-fangled contraption you call 'pornography', it's been around for centuries?




DancingClown -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 2:43:33 PM)

Can you be quiet please, I'm trying to masturbate.




Olaf -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 2:51:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DancingClown

Can you be quiet please, I'm trying to masturbate.


This is a family forum damn it.




superdan -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 2:53:11 PM)

If anything, the internet has probably made sex better. I imagine most blokes are far more familiar with the female anatomy and it's capabilities than they would be without it.




JIm R -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 3:09:47 PM)

I think the Karma Sutra came a way before the internet....




elab49 -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 3:12:08 PM)

Not quite as accessible though? I know the parents of one of my friends had a copy of Joy of Sex but for most it was either a dodgy skin mag or nothing. 




Rgirvan44 -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 3:13:37 PM)

Young people/older people like sex. They have always liked sex.

I am not sure what the BBC article is actully saying to be honest. Are they suggesting the girl wouldn't have been that way if not for the internet?




shool -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 3:17:20 PM)

I think the ease of access to pornography has had a detrimental effect on the view of sex.
Its more about getting your rocks off these days than an intimate act between a man and his wife.

I think fuelling sexual fantasy is a contributing factor to a pleasure seeking society.

But its quite well known I'm pretty conservative. [:)]





Olaf -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 3:26:45 PM)

The idea that sex has only become about fulfilling physical desires with the increased accessibility of pornography isn't really one that holds up in the context of history tbh. Brothels have existed for nearly 6000 years. The Victorians were obsessed with sex, so were the Ancient Romans (who regularly engaged in ritualistic orgies). The idea that people having sex and getting pleasure from it isn't actually a bad thing - the kind of sexual abuse that the link describes isn't unique to the young people of today and really shouldn't be considered as indicative of modern attitudes.




Titanm21 -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 3:37:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: shool

I think the ease of access to pornography has had a detrimental effect on the view of sex.
Its more about getting your rocks off these days than an intimate act between a man and his wife.

I think fuelling sexual fantasy is a contributing factor to a pleasure seeking society.

But its quite well known I'm pretty conservative. [:)]




When I was a lad before the interwebs and the such like. This was a priority anyway [:D]

I think its increased the ability for people to cheat... i.e Websites made for like minded people in this manner etc




DancingClown -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 3:38:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: shool

But its quite well known I'm pretty conservative. [:)]



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jon5000 -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 3:44:38 PM)

I guess the internet has made pornography more readily available to some who wouldn't have otherwise used it? As in, it's easier to type in a web address than ask for a top shelf copy of Razzle.

Has it made young people more promiscuous? I'm not sure, as many have said it's not as if sex wasn't around before it [:D]. Perhaps pornography has increased expectations of sex...or has it made people more perverted? [:D]




JIm R -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 3:49:07 PM)

The 'worth' of sex and ideals that stand within it are diminished I believe with the internet. I know my views on sex and love are deemed to be 'old fashined' and romantisised to a certain degree but the element of love being part of sex seems to have decreased that's to it's introduction.




Flatulent_Bob -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 3:53:42 PM)

Would this be a good thread to tie in to the sexualisation of women in the general media?
No, sorry I guess I'll get down off my soapbox then.

Personally I think some youngsters have always been promiscuous however I think it is more acceptable socially to be known to have had more partners now than its ever been. Certainly in the older limits of teenagers, on the other end of the scale I seem to remember a recent survey stating that the number of 16 year old boys asked if they were sexually active had actually decreased recently. Which is a surprise, especially given how prone lads are to embellish experiences at this age.

One thing that I think can't be denied is that pornography is now easier to see/get hold of. When I was growing up, it was a disgarded mag found on the waste ground, or someone's dad's video tape. What you didn't get was access to it in a normal everyday environment. Now you can have young people looking at really graphic video footage whenever they like, in the comfort of their own room in-between your homework tabs.

In a related note, I've got to say if my Daughter gets a serious boyfriend prior to being 16 I'll have no problem telling him that if I found out they were having sex he would be reported, which might cause a few problems for him throughout his life.
I think parents of daughter have to be more wary of these issues simply because of the obvious problem that teenage pregnancy has more of an effect on a girls life, than a boy.





Olaf -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 3:57:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JIm R

The 'worth' of sex and ideals that stand within it are diminished I believe with the internet. I know my views on sex and love are deemed to be 'old fashined' and romantisised to a certain degree but the element of love being part of sex seems to have decreased that's to it's introduction.


The internet did not invent infidelity, pornography, fetishes, prostitution, promiscuity or people having sex for fun. Is being able to download porn really to blame for a mythical erosion in ideals, or do you think it could indeed be possible that people in The Good Old Days also got off to porn, had multiple partners, cheated on people and had one night stands (but didn't have a massive communication network where they're able to communicate with more people)? Which seems more likely?




galvatron -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 4:18:10 PM)

As a teacher I do worry about the amount of porn the kids have watched. I wonder whether it teaches boys to objectify women from a young age.




superdan -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 4:24:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: galvatron

As a teacher I do worry about the amount of porn the kids have watched. I wonder whether it teaches boys to objectify women from a young age.



I don't think boys really need to be taught to objectify women from a young age. I think they need to be taught not to objectify women from a young age.




JIm R -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 4:28:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Olaf

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ORIGINAL: JIm R

The 'worth' of sex and ideals that stand within it are diminished I believe with the internet. I know my views on sex and love are deemed to be 'old fashined' and romantisised to a certain degree but the element of love being part of sex seems to have decreased that's to it's introduction.


The internet did not invent infidelity, pornography, fetishes, prostitution, promiscuity or people having sex for fun. Is being able to download porn really to blame for a mythical erosion in ideals, or do you think it could indeed be possible that people in The Good Old Days also got off to porn, had multiple partners, cheated on people and had one night stands (but didn't have a massive communication network where they're able to communicate with more people)? Which seems more likely?



Okay, heightened the belief that love and sex don't have to be part of the same thing, which they are, in my view. Agree in that all these 'elements' happened without the internet but I'm saying access has increased young people's view of diminishing responsibility and the effects of sexual intercourse and as galvatron says, the objectivity issue has indeed increased by Zoo, Nuts etc, media in general.




Rgirvan44 -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 4:30:48 PM)

Part of the problem is that we don't really have figures pre-war of sexual health - rate of disease, cheating etc so it is hard to see in the larger context whether things are more, less or the same. That is why you are more likely to see comparisons between countries rather than the rates over a long period within a country.




superdan -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 4:35:43 PM)

Well according to my nan her mum was a right old floozy, and that was most definitely pre-internet [:D] 




Olaf -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 4:46:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JIm R

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ORIGINAL: Olaf

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ORIGINAL: JIm R

The 'worth' of sex and ideals that stand within it are diminished I believe with the internet. I know my views on sex and love are deemed to be 'old fashined' and romantisised to a certain degree but the element of love being part of sex seems to have decreased that's to it's introduction.


The internet did not invent infidelity, pornography, fetishes, prostitution, promiscuity or people having sex for fun. Is being able to download porn really to blame for a mythical erosion in ideals, or do you think it could indeed be possible that people in The Good Old Days also got off to porn, had multiple partners, cheated on people and had one night stands (but didn't have a massive communication network where they're able to communicate with more people)? Which seems more likely?



Okay, heightened the belief that love and sex don't have to be part of the same thing, which is my view. Agree in that all these 'elements' happened without the internet but I'm saying access has increased young people's view of diminishing responsibility and the effects of sexual intercourse and as galvatron says, the objectivity issue has indeed increased by Zoo, Nuts etc, media in general.


Firstly, I'm going to guess you don't deal with a lot of young people very often. You seem to be generalising somewhat in your depiction of the yoof of today.

Secondly, I would argue that young people today are almost certainly more educated about sexual matters than they've ever been. Teenage pregnancy rates in the UK are at their lowest in thirty years (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/teen-pregnancy-rate-lowest-for-30-years-2222631.html), the internet provides a medium for more discussion of these issues and more support information, and family sizes are smaller than they were fifty years ago. To argue that teenagers today are more sexually irresponsible is empirically wrong.

Thirdly, magazines like Zoo and Nuts have been around for decades. Playboy started in the 50s, Hustler in the 70s, that wave of 'lads mags' in the early 90s. Sexual objectification is an problem certainly, but not one related to this issue.




JIm R -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 4:51:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Olaf

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ORIGINAL: JIm R

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ORIGINAL: Olaf

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ORIGINAL: JIm R

The 'worth' of sex and ideals that stand within it are diminished I believe with the internet. I know my views on sex and love are deemed to be 'old fashined' and romantisised to a certain degree but the element of love being part of sex seems to have decreased that's to it's introduction.


The internet did not invent infidelity, pornography, fetishes, prostitution, promiscuity or people having sex for fun. Is being able to download porn really to blame for a mythical erosion in ideals, or do you think it could indeed be possible that people in The Good Old Days also got off to porn, had multiple partners, cheated on people and had one night stands (but didn't have a massive communication network where they're able to communicate with more people)? Which seems more likely?



Okay, heightened the belief that love and sex don't have to be part of the same thing, which is my view. Agree in that all these 'elements' happened without the internet but I'm saying access has increased young people's view of diminishing responsibility and the effects of sexual intercourse and as galvatron says, the objectivity issue has indeed increased by Zoo, Nuts etc, media in general.


Firstly, I'm going to guess you don't deal with a lot of young people very often. You seem to be generalising somewhat in your depiction of the yoof of today.

Secondly, I would argue that young people today are almost certainly more educated about sexual matters than they've ever been. Teenage pregnancy rates in the UK are at their lowest in thirty years (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/teen-pregnancy-rate-lowest-for-30-years-2222631.html), the internet provides a medium for more discussion of these issues and more support information, and family sizes are smaller than they were fifty years ago. To argue that teenagers today are more sexually irresponsible is empirically wrong.

Thirdly, magazines like Zoo and Nuts have been around for decades. Playboy started in the 50s, Hustler in the 70s, that wave of 'lads mags' in the early 90s. Sexual objectification is an problem certainly, but not one related to this issue.


Yep, am not a teacher, don't have children of my own, don't have nieces or nephews. Access to information or education  may have increased but we still have young father's running out on their children, undeserved stigma towards single mums's, government's lack of vision to solving these problems. Internet or no internet, young people are still not receiving the support they should be getting access to.




Rgirvan44 -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 4:55:47 PM)

Plenty of old fathers run out on their families as well. Don't think age has much to do with it. 




Rgirvan44 -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 5:00:52 PM)

Statistics I have seen from charities suggest that only 2% of single mothers are teenagers, and the average age of single mothers is 37.

http://www.gingerbread.org.uk/content.aspx?CategoryID=365




galvatron -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 5:05:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: superdan

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ORIGINAL: galvatron

As a teacher I do worry about the amount of porn the kids have watched. I wonder whether it teaches boys to objectify women from a young age.



I don't think boys really need to be taught to objectify women from a young age. I think they need to be taught not to objectify women from a young age.



That's what I'm talking about... I said it worries me.




Timon -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 5:05:24 PM)

Reading that article, I can't help but wish I was a teenager now.

I'd be getting much more sex than I ever did in my teens...




bub -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 8:43:45 PM)

I got loads of sex when I was a teenager and the internet was hardly around... just my Uncle Steve.




Funkyrae -> RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet (10/1/2012 9:00:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JIm R

The 'worth' of sex and ideals that stand within it are diminished I believe with the internet. I know my views on sex and love are deemed to be 'old fashined' and romantisised to a certain degree but the element of love being part of sex seems to have decreased that's to it's introduction.


Going to disagree with you completely here. It's actually extremely fashionable now to wear purity rings and maintain abstinence until marriage. Thanks Disney, you've completely managed to screw with people's heads on a far more personal level. According to that rule, you can have anal as that isn't losing your virginity.

Those ideals that you hold aren't something that have diminished in society due to porn being more readily available. That would suggest that nobody ever, EVER had sex outside of marriage at any time which we all know is absolute crap.

Yes, so porn is more readily available. So is news, well done BBC, by highlighting the porn issue on your news website have you not just brought it further forward? Panic everyone! Panic now! Your innocent children might see something they shouldn't!

The fact is porn and porn material has been around for an extremely long time, it's a question of making sure that any older children/teens that might see it are told that it isn't representative of sex between couples - even the so called amateur stuff.

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In a related note, I've got to say if my Daughter gets a serious boyfriend prior to being 16 I'll have no problem telling him that if I found out they were having sex he would be reported, which might cause a few problems for him throughout his life.
I think parents of daughter have to be more wary of these issues simply because of the obvious problem that teenage pregnancy has more of an effect on a girls life, than a boy.


I find it concerning that it's still considered to be the responsibility that we're concerned about our daughters and we give them the education about respect etc. but it's still something that's not really done for boys. My son (unborn) is going to learn that he is as responsible for sex as the girl is.




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