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The very action of making this movie, is propaganda. There was never such an event as ridiculous as Noah and the Ark. There is no evidence for such an event and on the contrary there is evidence to the contrary. I can't believe we think we live in a democracy. This is religious propaganda. I hereby declare to never watch another Aronofsky film.

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My problem is when biblical stories are turned into films as persuasive arguments in the realm of popular culture. Animals were not delivered by an ark, they evolved.

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That's great news. The greek myths needs your support. Let's steal it back from the clutches of myth and resurrect it as the great religion it once was. It shouldn't be too hard as there's a very fine line between religion and myth. A fine line of the denial of rational thinking.

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For the record. I believe that Bale declined this role for the same reason that Fassbender will. This role is a career killer. You will alienate non religious audience members from the get-go.

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Charlton Heston died not long ago. He was the head of the American rifle association i.e a pig headed gun toting religious bigot.

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The actors you use are all of a different time when religion wasn't a dirty word and biblical epics were popcorn films. Give me a modern example and make this a convincing debate. No A list actor working today will touch biblical epics. What was the name of the guy who played Christ in Mel Gibsons film? we can't remember can we?

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The actors you use are all of a different time when religion wasn't a dirty word and biblical epics were popcorn films. Give me a modern example and make this a convincing debate.

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You’ve described your first film, “Pi,” as being about “God, math, Kabbalah, and paranoia,” and you cited the Bible as part of the inspiration for “The Fountain.” What’s your own religious background?

Culturally, I am Jewish. I was raised slightly Jewish, with respect for my culture and my ancestry, but with an open mind to the connectivity of people.


How much of a role does that play in your filmmaking?

There are a lot of different religions represented in “The Fountain.” It starts off with a quote from Genesis, the Judeo-Christian text, and there’s also a lot of Buddhist, Hindu, and Mayan mythology and spirituality throughout the film. What’s always interested me is very similar spiritual shelf at the core of all these different religious beliefs. What’s holy and truthful is what connects all the different religions, and it’s the same place where myth spurts out. I try to get to that core and represent it in the film.

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The very action of making this movie, is propaganda. There was never such an event as ridiculous as Noah and the Ark. There is no evidence for such an event and on the contrary there is evidence to the contrary. I can't believe we think we live in a democracy. This is religious propaganda. I hereby declare to never watch another Aronofsky film.

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Yes I agree. The old Chinese whispers thing, that'll do it. Well it follows that Jesus probably didn't part the water but just parted his hair one day by the water. Likely he never died on the cross but died when he was cross at a friend who had beat him in backgammon that afternoon.

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Prince of Egypt. Ace up your sleeve. Hmmm. Ambiguous title really isn't it? Doesn't really shout pro religious Biblical epic like the Passion of The Christ. I wonder if it's marketing campaign utilized the myriad of christian media channels. They would have made 200 million in no time. 1998 though, that's pre 9/11. We weren't yet reminded of the dangers of religious claims.

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As if it's not enough to screw over the ecology of this planet we have to go further and lie about the origin of all living things in a completely human-centric way.

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If a creationist god put them there in the first place, he's probably slowly erasing them too right? All part of a grand plan? Well this plan sucks.

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He's not doing Genesis: The Movie.

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I'm sure Darren will be losing sleep.

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'I do however love my history and Roman records have proven that there was a prophet (i.e. the people who spread the doom and gloom messages on the street corners) named Jesus who was crucified. The Romans treated him in exactly the same way they treated every other insurgent

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Oh, thank you for enlightening me. Now I understand. He's really open minded about all these religions and how their bogus stories overlap. That's so profound, yet not new to me as a man of science. If only religious people could all see what Aronofsky sees. but they so often choose not to see things in that way and stick by the one religion they were most likely indoctrinated into by their parents and communities. Are we forgetting someone though? Oh that's right, the rest of the biosphere. After all this is their story he proposes to tell. On their behalf I would like to say that it's not good enough. As if it's not enough to screw over the ecology of this planet we have to go further and lie about the origin of all living things in a completely human-centric way.

The egocentricity of human thinking when consumed with religious belief contributes to the continued struggle of animals everywhere. If a creationist god put them there in the first place, he's probably slowly erasing them too right? All part of a grand plan? Well this plan sucks and so does Aronofsky for perpetuating it.

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I'm glad you enjoy those Roman records, I prefer Beatles records myself and something else called scientific evidence.
I find it much more useful than historical records written by historiographers who may or may not have religious persuasions. I'll take a fossil over a Roman record any day.

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But now you're implying that Britain has no Christians in it? Granted we're not as religious as the US, but the UK is not as militantly atheist as you believe.

I never implied there were no Christians in Britain. But you don't need to be a Christian to be elected the Prime Minister of the U.K. That's a very important distinction. No atheist or non Christian could be sworn into the US presidency. That's a very dangerous religious atmosphere.

Plus you don't even know how the director will portray the 'legend/myth/story/

True. I hope he makes it a rom com between Noah and the human lady in a stable in the galley.

It could just be an Old Testament apocalyptic movie.

Well then Noah Emmerich should do it.

All I'm saying is that with the little facts we do have, you are working yourself into quite a state.

I'm just passionate about animals being misrepresented.

Oh and Caviezel has a hit show on CBS (Person of Interest).

I was a bit harsh on Jim. TV's not my strong suite. CBS is that the Christian Broadcasting Station

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He's not doing Genesis: The Movie.

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I'm sure Darren will be losing sleep.

Funkyrae, I don't care what Darrens doing as long as he's not making unverified scientific claims about animal migration.

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'I do however love my history and Roman records have proven that there was a prophet (i.e. the people who spread the doom and gloom messages on the street corners) named Jesus who was crucified. The Romans treated him in exactly the same way they treated every other insurgent

I'm glad you enjoy those Roman records, I prefer Beatles records myself and something else called scientific evidence.
I find it much more useful than historical records written by historiographers who may or may not have religious persuasions. I'll take a fossil over a Roman record any day.