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dreddhead123 -> RE: Beard (18/7/2011 1:30:40 PM)

Big problems with the design. The shoulder pads are too small - and no, this is not a geeky point, it's a major part of the uniform. It's imperative the shoulder pads are reasonably large to strengthen the top of Dredd's body. Smaller shoulder pads make the character look less imposing. Plus, the shoulder pads are sloping downwards which is all wrong. Make him look round shouldered. [8|]

Dredd's shoulder pads are always or very near horizontal:

http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/files/2008/12/judge-dredd.jpg

http://www.scificool.com/images/2010/09/judge-dredd.jpg

http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/19/1905/FKC9D00Z/posters/judge-dredd.jpg

The new shoulder design is all wrong.

The helmet looks too big for Karl Urban's head and he doesn't have a particularly Dredd-type jawline. Visually he looks miscast but his performance in Red could indicate he has the acting chops to nail Dredd's gruff personality.

I think the Stallone JD film got the size of the shoulder pads just right:

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9776/vlcsnap2011041322h43m57.png

A variation of that, which is similar to the Judge Minty fan film currently being made, would work in a new feature film. Mega-huge shoulder pads would be too over-the-top but tiny flat sloping ones - as shown on Urban - look just as silly. The film makers may be trying to make Judge Dredd look realistic but it's a bit absurd to strive for that when the character and his world are so blatantly science fiction and full of excess.

And yes, Dredd never sports facial hair. Another big mistake.







dreddhead123 -> RE: Re: Big problems with this design (18/7/2011 2:21:34 PM)

You can see the flaw in the design if you compare it with Robocop. Look at Robocop's shoulders, the top line of the shoulders:

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/r/robocop.jpg

They are like this

------------------------

A straight line.

Now compare that to the Dredd image

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2962/d715817d6a420df867fa446.jpg

Not a perfect consistent straight line - they curve down too much making Dredd look wimpy. You can see it in the original Urban image too:

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/Karl%20Urban%20as%20Judge%20Dredd.jpg

Here is a direct comparison - Robocop upper body shape compared to Urban's Dredd upper body shape:

Example 1:

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4767/robcopvsdredd1.jpg

Example 2:

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/337/robcopvsdredd2.jpg

You'll see Robocop's upper body is more rectangular and broader which is how Dredd's body has always been represented in 2000AD. Dredd has a broad rectangular shoulder frame, it's not curved. Most comic book heroes have this design, even anti-hero ones like Dredd! As mentioned, the new look makes Dredd less physically imposing and is something the costume designer should have avoided at all costs. There doesn't seem to be much intelligence given to the design of the new uniform.






dreddhead123 -> RE: Re: Big problems with this design (18/7/2011 2:55:45 PM)

quote:

Big problems? Er, no.

The design cleverly evokes and is faithful to the early street Judge design originally realised by artist Carlos Ezquerra.


Sorry but you are wrong. Here is Judge Dredd from Prog 2 next to the Urban image.

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7273/dreddprog2comparison1b.jpg

I've added a blue line to show you how the original Judge Dredd from Prog 2 had broad straight shoulders, the pads were high up, not slanting down to make him look round shouldered. Notice how Mike McMahon's Judge Dredd has shoulder pads that don't slope or drop below his neck line. Compare that to Urban and he has sloping shoulder pads that are considerably lower than his neck line and his shoulders don't look that broad. The look isn't faithful to the original version of Judge Dredd nor is it faithful to the 1978 version which established the larger shoulder pads. By the time of the Judge Cal storyline in 1978 - The Day The Law Died - Judge Dredd had larger shoulder pads:

http://cdn.comicartfans.com/Images/Category_4557/subcat_11475/Bolland%202000%20AD%2094%20Pg%205.jpg

As you can see, much larger shoulder pads. The shoulder pad is higher than Dredd's neck line in panel 2. The eagle design show in panel 3 is quite large and nothing like what Urban is wearing. That looks like a pancake stuck on his shoulder. [:'(]






tenstrings -> RE: Re: Big problems with this design (18/7/2011 5:10:06 PM)

I think you need to lighten up and understand the meaning of the word 'evokes'

J

quote:

ORIGINAL: dreddhead123

quote:

Big problems? Er, no.

The design cleverly evokes and is faithful to the early street Judge design originally realised by artist Carlos Ezquerra.


Sorry but you are wrong. Here is Judge Dredd from Prog 2 next to the Urban image.

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7273/dreddprog2comparison1b.jpg

I've added a blue line to show you how the original Judge Dredd from Prog 2 had broad straight shoulders, the pads were high up, not slanting down to make him look round shouldered. Notice how Mike McMahon's Judge Dredd has shoulder pads that don't slope or drop below his neck line. Compare that to Urban and he has sloping shoulder pads that are considerably lower than his neck line and his shoulders don't look that broad. The look isn't faithful to the original version of Judge Dredd nor is it faithful to the 1978 version which established the larger shoulder pads. By the time of the Judge Cal storyline in 1978 - The Day The Law Died - Judge Dredd had larger shoulder pads:

http://cdn.comicartfans.com/Images/Category_4557/subcat_11475/Bolland%202000%20AD%2094%20Pg%205.jpg

As you can see, much larger shoulder pads. The shoulder pad is higher than Dredd's neck line in panel 2. The eagle design show in panel 3 is quite large and nothing like what Urban is wearing. That looks like a pancake stuck on his shoulder. [:'(]







zeroshock -> RE: Not sure... (18/7/2011 5:45:28 PM)

Urban promised early on that the helmet never comes off.




dreddhead123 -> RE: Hmmm (19/7/2011 3:46:24 AM)

I did my version of the uniform - how I might have done the uniform had I made a Judge Dredd film.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3993/clinteastwoodasjudgedre.jpg

Image taken from the original Dredd film with Eastwood's face replacing Judge Hershey's. I added an eagle emblem to the right shoulder pad. It would be fairly flat on the pad. The emblem would be on the front of the pad so you would see it when Dredd is facing the camera. I also darkened the texture of the fabric.

I think something like this would work in a film. It looks realistic and 95 percent faithful. And doesn't Eastwood totally look the part. He would have been awesome as old stoney face back in his younger days. [;)]

This was the original Eastwood image I used:

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/16/4clinteastwooddirtyharr.jpg

I didn't alter much, the blackness around his jawline and under his mouth was in the original image so I left it in the photoshop version.




dreddhead123 -> RE: Hmmm (20/7/2011 5:01:53 PM)

This is how bad the uniform looks....

I've altered an artist's drawing of the Karl Urban uniform to make it more consistent with the 2000AD version and compared it with the Urban version:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1889/dredddrawingvsurban1.jpg

You can see how wimpy Dredd looks - how he has zero upper body muscle definition. Dredd is meant to have broad shoulders and high shoulder pads but what are we getting - yep, that lame image on the right. The producers have ruined the look of Dredd in their pursuit of so-called 'realism'.

Yeah, well done, Rebellion and DNA Films (heavy sarcasm intended).




Spaldron -> RE: Hmmm (20/7/2011 6:07:47 PM)

Leave it alone man.




dreddhead123 -> RE: Hmmm (22/7/2011 12:05:43 AM)

Original version of Judge Dredd film helmet leaked online!

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7636/dreddhelmet1custom.jpg

Still looks too small.

[8D]




dreddhead123 -> RE: Hmmm (22/7/2011 12:10:58 PM)

Important news about the new Dredd film:

quote:

VARIETY website have announced the release date for the Dredd movie starring Karl Urban as September 21st 2012.


Also mentioned by Tharg on the 2000AD site.

This will mean a 19 month wait between the end of filming - February 2011 - and its release date - September 2012.





JIm R -> RE: Hmmm (22/7/2011 12:43:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dreddhead123

Important news about the new Dredd film:

quote:

VARIETY website have announced the release date for the Dredd movie starring Karl Urban as September 21st 2012.


Also mentioned by Tharg on the 2000AD site.

This will mean a 19 month wait between the end of filming - February 2011 - and its release date - September 2012.




Post Production takes a while, that would account for 6-7 months. Maybe there's loads anticpated.




DONOVAN KURTWOOD -> RE: Hmmm (22/7/2011 12:47:23 PM)

that seems like a long time for this though, which at the moment at least, i consider to be a 'smaller' film. I mean i'm assuming this is a low budget film by tentpole studio standards




raclements -> RE: Hmmm (22/7/2011 2:19:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron

Leave it alone man.


He's banned from the 2000AD boards for a reason...




dreddhead123 -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 12:45:50 PM)

New image of Urban as Judge Dredd:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6378/empiredreddmoviekarlurb.jpg

Looks nothing like Dredd. Zero Dredd chin. Oh well.

Has anyone heard of Empire?

No, me neither.

[:D]




Rgirvan44 -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 1:43:15 PM)

Looks fine to me.




dreddhead123 -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 2:07:06 PM)

Yeah, Urban sure looks the part:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8031/urbanvsdredd1.jpg

Well if you're blind or never read a Judge Dredd strip, you would think he looks the part.

[:'(]

Has no Dredd chin or jawline. Totally visually miscast but if you want to live in denial, go ahead.




dreddhead -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 2:07:15 PM)

Those shots of Dredd from the latest issue of Empire are brilliant.

The uniform looks the perfect combination of aesthetic cool and practical functionality-yet is still clearly inspired by Carlos Ezquerra's origin iconic comic book designs.

Olivia Thirlby looks perfectly cast as Judge Anderson and I'm seriously excited about this movie-Karl Urban is The Law!





Rgirvan44 -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 2:11:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dreddhead123

Yeah, Urban sure looks the part:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8031/urbanvsdredd1.jpg

Well if you're blind or never read a Judge Dredd strip, you would think he looks the part.

[:'(]

Has no Dredd chin or jawline. Totally visually miscast but if you want to live in denial, go ahead.


You put that picture in front of people and ask them who it is, they will say "Judge Dredd".

Dredd has an OTT chin in the comics, no one could make that work in real life.




paul_ie86 -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 2:16:30 PM)

I think Urban looks badass.




jobloffski -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 2:19:03 PM)

Looks a lot better than the other picture. And let me get this straight, the film stands or falls entirely on whether or not the actor has the exact same chin as Dredd as drawn in 2D on a page? That's the stupidest thing I've read on this site in, well almost forever.

You can find guys with chins that size, but not often actors who are expected to carry a movie. Christ, Urban was able to mimic Deforest Kelley pretty well via performance alone, despite not looking EXACTLY like him. At least somebody who can act has been cast.

And, re other complaints that have been made...

Nobody in their right mind in any position to fund a film is going to stump up the kind of cash to make a Dredd movie that looks like the comics at this stage, presumably that;s why they have gone 'early in the career' as a situation goes and come up with a scenario that will focus entirely on the character having to be something of a badass to make it out alive. If it makes money, maybe we'll get to see the wider city and the vehicles as fondly remember (too fondly by some) in a sequel/in sequels that move the time frame on to total martial law under the Judges.

Would it cause too much physical pain to wonder if the filmmakers know what they would like to do and what they might hope to do, but just have to make the property workable in principle before the big bucks are provided later on?

Even if the film sucks donkey bits, it wont eradicate the existence/history of the character, and to be frank, it has to be acknowledged that as far as most of the potential audience are concerned, the only history Dredd has is a not too great Stallone film.

The real world can be a bit cold and unforgiving, but we have to spend at least some time there[;)]




Deviation -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 2:22:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dreddhead123

Yeah, Urban sure looks the part:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8031/urbanvsdredd1.jpg

Well if you're blind or never read a Judge Dredd strip, you would think he looks the part.

[:'(]

Has no Dredd chin or jawline. Totally visually miscast but if you want to live in denial, go ahead.


Oh no whatever shall I do




superdan -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 2:26:44 PM)

Fanboys are funny.




dreddhead123 -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 3:15:24 PM)

Well come to think of it.... he certainly looks the part:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8031/urbanvsdredd1.jpg

The similarity is uncanny, isn't it?

Hee hee.

[:'(] [:'(] [:'(] [:'(] [:'(]





Rgirvan44 -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 3:33:27 PM)

It is a guy in a helmet looking grumpy.

It is fine.

Quite surprised that Empire have splashed on this. Kudos.




Spaldron -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 3:41:11 PM)

I'm starting to think dreddhead123 has passed the point of fanboyism......




Dirk Miggler -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 3:53:06 PM)

Just read this thread all I can say is..... wow !!




dreddhead123 -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 4:44:35 PM)

Yeah, just marvel at the amazing likeness Karl Urban has to Judge Dredd:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8031/urbanvsdredd1.jpg

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3839/urbanvsdredd2.jpg

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8976/urbanvsdredd3.jpg

It's extraordinary. It's like looking at a mirror image. Wow, this is very impressive of the producers to find the one actor out there that looks 100 percent like Judge Dredd. I didn't think it was possible. All credit to DNA and Rebellion for achieving what I thought was impossible.

Oh, by the way, I found this link on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

Perhaps it has some bearing on this post. [;)]





superdan -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 4:54:50 PM)

Out of curiosity dreddhead123, who would you have cast instead?




dreddhead123 -> RE: Hmmm (25/7/2011 5:26:47 PM)

I'll host a clip of my choice on Youtube - a specific clip to illustrate his potential. Should be online tomorrow. I'd rather host a clip than just mention his name or link to an image.




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