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snooker23 -> RE: Actors you CANNOT BLOODY STAND (9/7/2012 10:37:16 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Kubrickrube
In regards to Bale, what movie(s) would you say he acts over the top in? Personally, I don't rate actors as great just because they can read their lines and not fall over the furniture. I think it takes something a little more.
Likewise, I can't understand the criticism of Sean Penn. I think the guy takes on varied roles and performs each believably and to a high standard. You've criticised many for not varying characters enough but you criticise him and Bale for overacting? It seems that means trying to attempt too many varying roles.
I disagree with the Portman comments as well. She comes across as 'the girl next door'. Most movies are about everyday people so as her personality is that of the everyday person, its quite likely that you would have this feeling. Maybe this is why you never saw people like Jennifer Lopez playng the average girl on the block.
Black Swan and her work with Wes Anderson alone, show that she has depth and is willing to take risks and follow her heart. As you've said, this is only my opinion as well but I'm enjoying the healthy debate.
I love a good discussion. I might be a tad late at times (day job sadly), but I'll always try to respond.
Ok, maybe I'm not getting my point across the way I mean to in my head. In fact I am almost certain of it. I'm not a native speaker and it's a tricky thing thinking in Dutch and writing in English.
First of all I know that a great actor is more than just 'knowing your lines and not tripping over the furniture' and so did the person who made that initial quip (Spencer Tracy if I'm not mistaken), but there is something to be said for underplaying it and going for the more subtle approach rather than acting with a capital A. To illustrate my point I much prefer Jack Lemmon in the China Syndrome to Al Pacino in the Devil's advocate. Or maybe a better comparison is Pacino in the Godfather to Pacino in Scent of a woman.
Please note that I never disputed that Bale was talented, I merely pointed out that I cannot stand him at times. Which isn't always rational as you know.
As you can see from the example above it isn't impossible for me to like an actor in one role and really dislike him in another. It isn't black and white. There are a number of roles where Bale was terrific and subtle: The Machinist, The Fighter, 3:10 to Yuma (I thought he was terrific in that movie). However, then there's The Prestige and Batman where he gets - again in my eyes - into overacting territory. The intense whisper thing in the Bat suit was one thing, but he takes it overboard. Perhaps it's his phasing to keep the American accent, but it's grating and it annoys me to no end because it stands out in an otherwise terrific set of movies. On the whole there is something off with his American accent, so maybe that's what annoys me. I don't know and maybe it's not even a rational thing. I just do not like the man on screen sometimes.
Which brings me to Sean Penn who goes overboard more than Bale. Most annoyingly - again to me mileage varies - in: I am Sam, Mystic river (sorry at least two overacting scenes),casualties of war. Weirdly though I don't dislike Penn onscreen (or offscreen for that matter) even when he goes for the acting with a capital A route. As I'm writing this I realize I'm being entirely irrational here.
I have to respectfully disagree with you on Portman. She doesn't come across as the girl next door to me. And no Jennifer Lopez doesn't either :-), in fact Lopez belongs on my romcom avoid list (Out of sight was good, but that's it). She comes across as middle/upper class, intelligent (which are fine qualities) and somewhat distant at times. I do realize it's ironic that I'm criticizing her for seeming distant when I was harping on about overacting just now.I just don't see her portraying someone from a working class background convincingly any time soon.
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