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Deviation -> RE: Eclipse (3/7/2010 1:45:49 AM)

Holy Mother of Christ.






boove -> RE: Eclipse (3/7/2010 8:07:16 AM)

WOOO!

For me an my friends (the male ones) this franchise is a guilty pleasure of ours. we none of us has read the books but our girlfriends have. they are not enjoying the series so far nearly as much as us lads which is interesting. It is a good laugh overall.

Really looking forward to this now we have the Empire review up.

We are going to see it tomorrow. I am quite intrigued because I thought both Hard Candy and 30 Days Of Night were both quite good. I hope he has pulled off something more enjoyable than the second film which was quite poo.




robwillphill -> RE: Eclipse (3/7/2010 10:15:39 AM)

It begins...




paulyboy -> RE: Eclipse (3/7/2010 12:02:17 PM)

**Pulls up deck chair with crisps and coke to watch the fireworks!**




ElephantBoy -> RE: Eclipse (3/7/2010 2:46:39 PM)

Sudderly finding out that the new film is from the guy behind Hard Candy gives me a great desire to see this.  How could such a thing happen?  Amazing.




Deviation -> RE: Eclipse (3/7/2010 3:43:53 PM)

What a crushing disappointment this thread is.

Guys, just look, this man, Will Lawrence, just gave Twilight a four star review. 

4 Stars. You'll let him, and the whole magazine of Empire get away with it?

Shouldn't newbies already be posting death threats to him on this part of the forum already. Shouldn't mods already be crying over what abuse they will have to delete?

Some on people, do you your part. And make me laugh.And see Pigeon Army cry.




Jasper_29 -> RE: Eclipse (3/7/2010 6:59:00 PM)

Just saw the movie and it's definitely less terrible than its predecessors. The acting is now one step above Razzie material and some of the dialogue feels like it's uttered with conviction. Production values are adequate, cinematography and a few visual effects can even be described as impressive.

Four stars, out of ten.




Deviation -> RE: Eclipse (3/7/2010 7:53:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jasper_29

Four stars, out of ten.


[:D]




mediarats -> RE: (3/7/2010 10:28:24 PM)

Is this the film about Volvos? [8D]




ElephantBoy -> RE: RE: (4/7/2010 4:49:59 PM)

I can take or leave the series, saw the first one, and while it had fairly big flaws, for the audence it was aimed at I thought it was pretty good.  As I said David Slade directing this one is a big draw just to see what he comes up with.




boove -> RE: Eclipse (4/7/2010 7:37:08 PM)

Well, it's definitely better than the last one. It's quite good fun. Still drags a bit and gets a bit repetitive but it has some humour in it and some pretty good action scenes. Over all more balanced. Still a load of crap of course but it looks a lot nicer than last time.





The REAL Bozz -> RE: Eclipse (4/7/2010 11:50:20 PM)

I liked it. I enoyed the books for what they are and the films are solid adaptaions; don't understand why people go see the films if they know they'll hate 'em. I prefared the New Moon movie but this was still solid. Bryce Dallas Howard was ok but still don't get why they replaced the old actress who portrayed Victoria. Some good moments for the secondary cast to shine; noteably Nikki Reed's Rosalie and Jasper. If you like the book no doubt you'll enjoy the film.

It's not action packed despite what some reviews may have you believe, in fact the end battle is over in less than two minutes. Therefore if you are curious about the action or Slade you still won't like the film. To be honest anyone could have directed it, it's not like he has some signature aesthetic or anything.




boove -> RE: Eclipse (5/7/2010 7:46:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: The REAL Bozz

It's not action packed despite what some reviews may have you believe, in fact the end battle is over in less than two minutes.



!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!!





thats not true!  It goes on a lot longer than that.  Also there are spatterings of action throughout.  Plus, it is action you can actually SEE!  It isnt just sloppy shaky-cam all over the place. 

It is nice to get more backstory on the others, Jasper in particular, who always seemed a completely pointless character.  He kicks arse in this film.

I think it is also a bit unfair to say anyone could have directed it.  If it had been the guy who did the second film then it wouldnt have looked as nice this time around.  There are some nice shots in this.  The overhead shot of Bella coming out of her house for instance.  Nothing like that in the second film because that director has no style.  The almost black and white scene of the Cullens running through the woods after Victoria.


One other thing I would like to say in favour of this film; the colour of the vampires.  They are actually looking dead this time.  Edward seems to be quite pale which he hasnt in previous outings so this seems more...'real' if you will. 

Any director who takes on a franchise like this is obviously going to be somewhat stripped of their 'signature' because it has to look similar to the previous films and I imagine they have very little overall say.  These are studio films through and through.  I thought he did a pretty good job.




gordonsalive -> RE: RE: (5/7/2010 9:07:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mediarats

Is this the film about Volvos? [8D]


[:D] He he, possibly an all time low for product placement.

Maybe Mr Lawrence was on a promise from Twiglet fan Mrs Lawrence to give this crap a four star review, coz pretty much all other reviews out there aren't very favourable. Just saying like.
(runs and hides from angry Twiglet teens)




The REAL Bozz -> RE: Eclipse (5/7/2010 10:26:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: boove

quote:

ORIGINAL: The REAL Bozz

It's not action packed despite what some reviews may have you believe, in fact the end battle is over in less than two minutes.



!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!!





thats not true!  It goes on a lot longer than that.  Also there are spatterings of action throughout.  Plus, it is action you can actually SEE!  It isnt just sloppy shaky-cam all over the place. 

It is nice to get more backstory on the others, Jasper in particular, who always seemed a completely pointless character.  He kicks arse in this film.

I think it is also a bit unfair to say anyone could have directed it.  If it had been the guy who did the second film then it wouldnt have looked as nice this time around.  There are some nice shots in this.  The overhead shot of Bella coming out of her house for instance.  Nothing like that in the second film because that director has no style.  The almost black and white scene of the Cullens running through the woods after Victoria.


One other thing I would like to say in favour of this film; the colour of the vampires.  They are actually looking dead this time.  Edward seems to be quite pale which he hasnt in previous outings so this seems more...'real' if you will. 

Any director who takes on a franchise like this is obviously going to be somewhat stripped of their 'signature' because it has to look similar to the previous films and I imagine they have very little overall say.  These are studio films through and through.  I thought he did a pretty good job.



SPOILERS!!!

Boove it was about 3 minutes top mate!

There's that one bit at the start where the Cullens are chasing Victoria along the treaty line and then the battle at the end. The battle was the scene I was most looking forward to. It cuts between the Edward and the fighting back and forth, each time it's on the fighting you see about a minutes worth before it cuts back to the mountain! I'm hardly gonna lie![:D]

Oh hang on; yeah the very last fight outside the tent. That's quite long. I just meant the Cullen vs Newborn battle is over way to quick. For some stupid reason you don't even see Rosalie fight?! Lol, everyone else but her! That bugged me.

As for the guy who directed New Moon having no style, I wouldn't say that. The scene with Victoria and the hunting party was one of the best things I've seen in ages. Really cool imo.




wombathog -> RE: Eclipse (5/7/2010 12:22:59 PM)

Two things:

  • as Eddy baby and wooden wolf puppy joined forces (kinda) are we gonna see teenege girls walking around in TEAM JEDWARD tshirts now?
  • Just how excrutiatingly cringingly awful was that "let's wait til we're married" scene?  I didn't know whether to laugh...but I did anyway.  It was meant to be a comic interlude wasn't it?

All in all though, definitely an improvement on New Moon, but for the most part the wolfie effects are still ropey due no doubt to the rush to release each film.




Macavity -> RE: Eclipse (5/7/2010 1:31:05 PM)

The girlfriend and I snuck in to see this immediately after seeing Get Him To The Greek on Saturday night. I'd seen the first film and thought it was fine. Eclipse was also fine.
There's nothing to hate. Nothing to love about it either. A couple of funny one-liners. Everyone looking very good of course. A big wolf here and there. Lots of talking about nothing. Probably too long. Bad guys could do with a little personality. Biggest problem is that you come out feeling like the whole thing had little consequence to the bigger picture (I imagine you could watch the series skipping Eclipse and it not making much difference). A two hour dick-measuring contest.

A little 'Meh'some.




livewire -> RE: 4? (5/7/2010 4:33:30 PM)

haven't seen this yet ( and hopefully will stay that way till the DVD comes out) but was talking to the a number of people who saw it las night. On they're testimony 3 stars at best but an improvment on the snorefest that was the last one.




hatebox -> RE: 4? (5/7/2010 6:02:18 PM)

Well, Empire is consistent, I'll give it that.




boove -> RE: Eclipse (5/7/2010 11:44:40 PM)

well, your mum enjoyed




Macavity -> RE: I just can't believe this review, particularrly since it's the worst Twilight so far. (6/7/2010 8:06:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: r1x

Not so much Underworld as an unfunny 10 Things I Hate About Bestiality.


Who the fuck wants to be the next Underworld?

Not sure I saw the similarities to "10 Things..." either.




Scoop1980 -> RE: Mass marketed entertainment... (7/7/2010 2:55:21 PM)

I have never seen the fascination with this emo-shit posing as a vampire/werewolf/romantic drama.

Bella? If she smiled she'd freak everyone out. What an unlikeable character.
Cullen? What a ponce! Vampires are supposed to be sexual, dangerous beasts not brooding morons who look like they've just left a My Chemical Romance gig.
Jacob? Get a grip you muppet and stop chasing a bird who is the cure for insomnia.

SPOILER!

I can't wait to see how they adapt the 'cesarean with teeth' scene for the next film!

What nonsense these books and films are. And anyone over the age of 16 and male who likes these needs their heads read!




Bighousewill -> RE: Twilght Moaners (7/7/2010 6:27:10 PM)

I can't stand people moaning about the twilight films if your not a fan or don't like it don't see it dummies! Its not for everyone and its mostly just kerching off the books for the fans. Im going to see Eclipse because ive seen the other two and I always take my kid sister who is fan and has read all the books and shes told me what happens in the very end lol.




R W -> RE: Eclipse (10/7/2010 11:48:21 AM)

Director: David Slade
Screenwriter: Melissa Rosenberg
Starring: Kristen Stewart, Robert Pattinson, Taylor Lautner, Bryce Dallas Howard, Ashley Greene, Billy Burke, Xavier Samuel, Dakota Fanning

Synopsis
As school graduation is approaching, Bella (Stewart) must choose between her love for vampire Edward (Pattinson) and her friendship with werewolf Jacob. Meanwhile, an army of newborn vampires are heading in their direction, while a vengeful Victoria (Howard) wants payback.

Review
As someone who hasn’t read Stephenie Meyer’s literary phenomenon, I have been a supporter of the current film franchise which though has its rocky moments, it also has a fascinating premise that is Bella’s journey of becoming immortal like her vampiric boyfriend while a childhood friend is trying to break it off. Although this isn’t the final chapter of the saga (the two-part adaptation of Breaking Dawn coming soon), the conflict between the two alpha males begins.

When I heard that David Slade was directing this, it was a shock, because if you are familiar with his small but memorable catalogue, this isn’t his kind of work as he said before becoming the next director. His previous flick 30 Days of Night was a good vampire B-movie which was occasionally clunky but did the job very well by making it blood-drenched and making the vampires very animalistic and nasty. This predator-like approach to vampires is somewhat reflected on Eclipse, with the exception of gallons of blood bursting out.

As well as making a darker film than its predecessors, in terms of a more realistic and hard-hitting approach, it achieves best for its dramatic tension. Slade’s debut feature Hard Candy was essentially about that, in which it was an intense confrontation between the vigilant teenager and her date she met through the internet. In Eclipse, the intensity is shown between the three protagonists, in which Bella is in a position in which there is no easy exit.

While there is dramatic tension, the Twilight series will always have sexual tension to satisfy female audiences. While the first film was about pale-skinned vampires with fine hair product and New Moon involved a scene in which Jacob takes his entire shirt off to clean off a tiny amount of Bella’s blood, Slade doesn’t seem to be interested in those kind of gags. However, thanks to Melissa Rosenberg’s script, there is a sequence involving a snowstorm, a small tent and a threesome (not literally, of course).

In the past, despite Bella being a fine heroine, she always felt like an outsider as she was quite socially awkward and in New Moon, she was indeed Miss Sulky Sulky. However, there is none of that sulkiness in this instalment as her task is all about decisions which makes her a more confident protagonist, which Kristen Stewart succeeds on. As intensity grows between Edward and Jacob, they are more than a couple of bickering men and a sense of humour springs out, particularly the infamous manage a trois.

The only major criticism to take notice of is the largely extended cast, including the Cullens, the werewolves and the newborn vampires. In the case of the Cullens, there are two back stories about which are well-developed and become a serious part in Bella’s journey. As for the newborn army lead by the chaotic Riley (played by Xavier Samuel), they are for the most part bloodsucking but there is a nice sexual chemistry between Riley and Victoria, played brilliantly by Ron Howard’s daughter. In two hours, the film doesn’t entirely flesh out every single player, so the story does get baggy.

Verdict
With such praise towards David Slade’s strong direction, this is clearly the best of the Twilight series as the drama is more serious while the romantic element isn’t too mushy.




Dr Lenera -> RE: @ dolemole (12/7/2010 9:07:10 PM)

After the utter tedium of New Moon, there was only one way the Twilight saga could go and that was up, in fact this is a considerable improvement on both the previous movies.  It's still not especially good, mainly due to the source material, but is a lot better than you might think.  Director David Slade attempts, and for the most succeeds, in giving the movie some tension [something New Moon lacked totally] and a certain atmosphere.  This is rather darker then the first two films, and actually shows a fair amount of vampiric activity for once.  There's even some very brief gore including a decapitation, and certainly more action.  Sadly Slade decided to shoot much of this with the obligatory swirling camerawork and spastic editing, maybe this was done to soften the material, but just gave me sore eyes, and I' m really fed up with getting sore eyes trying to watch an action scene.  Also things seem to be building up to a big battle that ends up being over far too quickly.  Perhaps the best scenes are some surprisingly interesting and sometimes intense flashbacks, though they're maybe too brief.  The film suffers most though whenever it concentrates on the main love triangle [about two thirds of it then], right down to the pathetic confrontations between the two male leads. The dialogue is atrocious and the performances borderline inept.  Robert Pattinson[who, along with his cohorts, is a lot less pale this time for some reason]  is required to emote a fair bit in this one, rather than just stare at Kristen Stewart looking constipated, and is simply not up to the task, while Taylor Lautner's problem may not be that he's a werewolf but that he's made of wood, so bland is he. Stewart seems to be getting worse each movie.   Worse then all this though is that never does anyone convince of being really in love, having this obssessive passion, it's all just so ridiculously muted and repetitive.  I'm actually a bit of a sucker for dark romance, but I just couldn't get involved in any the stuff here.  All in all, this has does have obvious problems that are impossible to ignore, but despite this still being a fairly poor review it is a better film then you might expect and does have it's merits.




skeletonjack -> RE: @ dolemole (14/7/2010 8:50:06 PM)

I'm new to the whole Twilight thing having not read the books and only just watched movies 1 and 2 in order to accompany Mrs Skeleton Jack to this one.
I thought the first movie was actually quite good (which surprised me), the second was just ok, so what of Eclipse?
Well this one was just Ok too I felt, if an imporovement on part 2.
The main problem was that it dragged in parts and often ventured a bit too far into melodrama. A bit more action wouldn't have gone amiss, but I'm still just about interested enough to see what happens next.
3 stars




elab49 -> RE: @ dolemole (14/7/2010 8:53:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lemure

Don't take this personally, but you're an idiot. Critics don't say whether or not they like a film they say whether or not a film is good. It's very different.



Disagree with the point, fine. But stick to the point and leave out the namecalling, please.

And I think that should be "whether or not in their opinion  a film is good". That's even more different. [:)]




Porkchop_Express -> RE: (17/7/2010 10:58:25 AM)

It's amazing that anyone could give this film 4 stars. I really am not hostile to the series for the sake of it, the second film was actually almost passable, maybe 2 stars at most.

The problem with Eclipse is the melo-drama. Some of the scenes are long and self indulgent to the point of being excurciating and it's not as if they are giving us anything new or anything for the story. On the flip side, the film has a few genuinely exhilarating scenes, notable the chase scene, the vampire fight training scene and the fight scene itself.

One funny thing about the big fight scene was that the baddies had been trailed through the film as creating an "army" of "newborns". it actually turned out to be about 15 of them. :D

Overall, 10% good, 90% bad. 4 stars? Unbelievable.




white mage -> RE: liked it a lot (21/7/2010 6:55:54 PM)

I saw this film the other day. I have not read the books and didn't like the previous two twilight films, except two was really bright. But I was curious thanks to all the hype so gave the film a go. The cast, apart from the main three, do a good job with the script. The flashbacks filling in the backgrounds of vampires Jasper and Roslien, (whatever her name is) were very well handled. But the triangle between Belle, Edward and Jacobe is the main prioity of the film and watching the charater of Belle, you wonder why the guys bother fighting over her.    




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