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Empire Admin -> Paul Greengrass Quits Bourne 4 (2/12/2009 8:14:19 AM)

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D.J -> (2/12/2009 8:14:19 AM)

Without Paul Greengrass, the franchise has no future. Hopefully Matt Damon will also decide not to bother and that will be the end of it.

The last thing we need is for a new sequel to come along without it's main assets.




MovieMogul -> Noooooooooo! (2/12/2009 8:47:29 AM)

I no longer want the sequel that I wanted. It wouldn't be right.




Blyman -> Greengrass 'was' Bourne.... (2/12/2009 9:01:18 AM)

Agree with the below sentiments, without Greengrass this franchise is now dead. I had mixed feelings about the 4th installment anyway, we had a great ending with Ultimatum but the prospect of Greengrass completing his own trilogy was too good to pass up. I hope Damon pulls out to make it official.




LEEJGM -> RE: Greengrass 'was' Bourne.... (2/12/2009 9:11:21 AM)

I'm sad to see Greengrass quit but I don't think this will be the end of it.  I know that Matt Damon said he'd only do another if Paul Greengrass was to direct but until we hear something from Damon, my money is on the film still happening.  My feelings are still that it should have been left with Ultimatum, regardless of who is involved in the fourth film.   




benj 01 -> Maybe it's for the best (2/12/2009 9:19:23 AM)

Hopefully this will convince Universal that it's best that they leave it a three films.




Workshed -> RE: Maybe it's for the best (2/12/2009 9:32:03 AM)

Agreed. I don't want to see Damon star as an aged, chubby Bourne.




exandakane -> Since when is George Clooney... (2/12/2009 9:42:44 AM)

...Starring in a Paul Greengrass biopic?




boredbluekoala -> LIMAN made a better film with the first one...... (2/12/2009 9:53:09 AM)

Even if it did have to be re-shot at the end (more than once according to Damon) Anyhoo, a new director might make a better movie, how about that bloke who made Taken?




lukeyboy -> RE: Paul Greengrass Quits Bourne 4 (2/12/2009 10:02:40 AM)

I'm sorry but i don't agree with the defeatest sentiment of the previous posts - although Greengrass has done a great job with Supremacy and Ultimatum let's not forget that Doug Liman started it off with the best film of the trilogy - The Bourne Identity! Why not bring Doug Liman back - full circle n'all that!!?




7eke -> one of the best trilogys around (2/12/2009 10:12:43 AM)

although i'd love to see another one if they got Liman back........the fight with the biro, tearing around in a mini to a pumping Ready Steady Go, taking care of the sniper. the first is a Class assassin/spy film. the other two while still brilliant lose a mark for too much shakey cam.

All in all a awesome trilogy




hatebox -> (2/12/2009 10:37:06 AM)

Greengrass has already made Bourne 4 - it's called Green Zone. Hur hur.




Manfrendshensindshen -> (2/12/2009 11:37:28 AM)

No Greengrass, no Bourne. And that's the end of it, as far as I'm concerned.
(On the other hand I can already smell a "re-imagining" with Chris Pine in front and Brett Ratner behind the camera...)




The Hooded Man -> RE: (2/12/2009 12:07:02 PM)

Does this mean we might have a Bourne film that you can see what's happening in it?




chizmund -> Dan Bradley (2/12/2009 12:18:21 PM)

Universal will probably wait to see how Red Dawn performs. If that's a success, expect him to get offered the job.




spamandham -> (2/12/2009 3:40:22 PM)

FFS universal just stop. quit while youre ahead for once.




james riley -> (2/12/2009 3:51:42 PM)

This is just me but I liked the first and second
but I can't remember any of Ultimatum
apart from the bit with Paddy Considine.
So maybe a different director might freshen things up?




G_MAN07 -> RE: Paul Greengrass Quits Bourne 4 (2/12/2009 6:34:12 PM)

For those who want Liman back - he made Jumper.  I would gladly take him out by biro or rolled up Empire magazine. 

And remember Damon hasn't yet signed on the line that is dotted.

Just end it - he's remembered!  It's not like he can say, oh I forgot again...




superdan -> RE: Paul Greengrass Quits Bourne 4 (2/12/2009 7:31:22 PM)

This is not the end of Bourne. Greengrass did not start Bourne, he just made the second and third best films of the trilogy. Greengrass is entirely replaceable. Matt Damon, however, is not. If he doesn't want to do it then it really is finished.




jonny-w -> Good. (2/12/2009 8:29:05 PM)

Either this will end the franchise and keep it as a trilogy, or they'll bring a new director in that could put a new take on it. Personally I thought Ultimatum was a bit over-rated, still a good film - but basically retread Supremacy's footsteps with very little storyline. If they line up someone decent, it'd be interesting to see where they take it...




boogieknight71 -> Bourne to rise again? (2/12/2009 9:59:28 PM)

Let's face it, the Bourne trilogy was/is the best, nothing can touch them for story, action and acting. they changed the smart 'action' film landscape forever. i was curious to see what a fourth one would do with the story, because everything seemed tied up in the last one, but now because of Paul Greengrass' departure and Matt Damon's non-appearance. I don't see it could work again. but I do think that 'Bourne' will become a tv series, which is a shame, if it does. some watered down cobbled together bollocks with a young poncy actor trying in vain to be Matt Damon. I hope for the best, but maybe the best is to give it a rest and keep the trilogy alive by watching them again.....again.....,,,,,,,,,,,and remember Green Zone looks awesome too. cheers!




mcbadabing -> No! (3/12/2009 1:34:51 PM)

They cannot add to that trilogy. What happens then, he swims off at the end only to bang his head on a barge and lose his memory again?! People demanded a sequel to The Godfather I & II and look what that got em. Universal, get the rights to Tim Willocks's Green River Rising and get Damon on board for that instead and drop the inane Bourne 4.




nybras -> Good omen (3/12/2009 3:31:06 PM)

All three movie were and are amazing, better than all Bond films for that matter. (Casino is class) but it (Bourne) should be left alone.
This decision will appeal to all fans of the Bourne trilogy and some respect to Robert Ludlum.




nybras -> Good omen (3/12/2009 3:43:57 PM)

All three movie were and are amazing, better than all Bond films for that matter. (Casino is class) but it (Bourne) should be left alone.
This decision will appeal to all fans of the Bourne trilogy and some respect to Robert Ludlum.




jobloffski -> RE: Good omen (3/12/2009 9:54:54 PM)

Had a weird experience a while back, when about to watch a Bourne film:

Took it from the shelf, and for a very brief moment I didn't register The Bourne Supremacy, it might have been my feverish imagination, always beavering away at where stories could go even when I'm not conscious of it, but I saw, for a split second:

The Bourne Temptation.

And seconds later I imagined that the fourth film, since the first three had dealt with the identity thing, then a fourth would probably focus on some reason for Bourne to either be tempted, or forced, into doing work for the agency, perhaps via a threat to Bourne's real family, who he has not resumed contact with due to them having moved on from losing him and not wanting to disrupt their lives.

A threat to them might make Bourne reluctantly resume his old activities, and the temptation could be something he needs to resist: to simply hunt down and take out all those who have any way of dragging him back into 'the life'. He has the skills to do it, and it might be the only way he'll ever be free. Naturally, can't have that as main onscreen material, so it would be better for the series if such a story were to end on him resolving to do this, take out one or two, and leave it implied that because of their actions, those with any hold over Bourne are very soon gonna be very dead meat.


Alternatively, the 'Temptation' could be the temptation to get in touch with his family, which he has been resisting, they are threatened to get him back into the life, and Bourne accepts terms, only to actually carry out the plan mentioned at the end of the above, to effect the rescue of his family and his return to them, to humanity, normal life and out of the isolation his character requires to be viable as a story vehicle. In short, a spy thriller take on Frankenstein's monster, as the creation of the intelligence services confronts his creators an,d delivers the very merciless blows they created him to deliver

There aren't really many options for sequels because the first three films told one story Logically, any fourth film would have to flow from what has been established, because Bourne is not an infinitely renewable formula like Bond. And if there has to be a fourth, it should be probably be the last, otherwise Death Wish levels of plot contrivance will start to set in.

Or, he could walk into a wall and lose his memory again, or some shit like that. [:D]




Adendum -> We're wasting our breath and pixels (4/12/2009 1:56:12 PM)

If Robert Ludlum had written a fourth I would gladly pay to see a 4th in the series as long as Matt Damon stars and Greengrass or Woo directs but Robert Ludlum didn't write it and no matter how good the script is, or the acting, directing or action it wont be, can't be a Ludlum thriller. It will get ripped to pieces as I am sure we'll end up with a mockery...like The Godfather debacle.

Why will the studios never learn? Because mugs like us will still pay to see it that's why. If Bourne 4 is made I know I wont be able to resist and I'll have to see what they've done to it. Hmmm, why do I never learn!

Just wasted my breath and pixels didn't I?




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