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Squidward Hark Bugle -> RE: Poland okays forcible castration for pedophiles (29/9/2009 5:56:40 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Mogwai
What? I don't understand this, revenge has nothing to do anything. This weird logic you have is alarming, are you suggesting that there is no point to punishing someone who commits a crime because, as you say, "what's done is done"?
I didn't say that. I'm just highlighting the illogic of administering "preventative" treatment on a person who has already committed the act.
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ORIGINAL: superdan
Squiddy, I don't think you are ever going to convince anyone that a crime doesn't deserve a punishment - particularly when we are talking about paedophilia. I find the idea of forced chemical castration distateful from a moral point of view, but to compare the decision to Nazi Germany was ill-advised (dare I say it, offensive). And to use your oft-repeated arguement that it won't change the past is has already been said naive.
You seem to have more scorn for 'revenge' (or punishment as it is more usually known) than the crime that inspired it. I doubt anyone who has been the victim of crime in any form would agree, and rightly so. This ignores the main point that has been made already - ignoring a crime won't help to prevent someone re-offending. Punishment can. I'm not saying it is foolproof, but locking a criminal up, or in this case removing their sexual desire to abuse children can prevent another child/adult/family going through the horror that other victims of crime have endured.
All malicious acts need to addressed in some way. I never said they should be ignored.
I have a great deal of scorn for revenge. Somehow people think that since they're against the malice that occurred that they're somehow in the right, when the act of revenge, when taken out of context, whatever it might be, would appear to be a malicious act itself. It's extra malice in response to malice. It's unnecessary and harmful.
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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench
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Where someone has HAD sexual intercourse with a child, past tense. Chemical castration won't cause past abuse to not have happened. And it's not the only thing that will prevent it from happening again.
It's this attitude that pisses folk off, Squid. While I wholeheartedly believe you don't advocate the abuse of children you also don't seem to advocate punishing those that do. This 'what's done is done' attitude is really fucking scary. This is innocent children we are talking about, man, sometimes it's babies who can't even begin to comprehend what is happening to them. You seem to believe that because we haven't stopped the act in happening or before it happened then it's society's fault so there's no point in punishing the scum that did it. Isn't it good enough that we can stop it from happening again? Locking the up won't take the sexual desire away....
Is this is a football match? Do I have to belong in either one team or another? I don't advocate child abuse, and I don't advocate mandatory chemical castration. They're both malicious and can destroy the person to whom it is being done.
In general, paedophiles are considered mentally unstable, right? They're said to have a psychosexual disorder, which causes them to feel attraction to children and babies, and, given the illegality of having sex with children, have to resort to rape to get off. They should be placed in a mental institution until they are rehabilitated, and even if it doesn't work, just keep them there. They're not criminals who simply chose to commit the act; they had these urges that they couldn't control.
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