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Batman and Robin?!? Hardly, mate. What were you smoking??

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Batman and Robin?!? Hardly, mate. What were you smoking??

Nothing, thank you. But this was just neon lighting away from that movie. I really can't believe the franchise has fell this far. I side with Goodfella and krudler on this one.

Not even close and you know it! Batman and bloody Robin was a cartoon. It had cartoon sound effects when people fell over. Wolverine is nowhere NEAR Batman and friggin' Robin!!! Seriously! Are you sure you're not high?

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Brett Ratner -all is forgiven! You no longer have the title of making the worst X-Men film!

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Comparing this to Batman and Robin is laughable. Have a couple of beers next time, you might lighten up a little.

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Comparing this to Batman and Robin is laughable. Have a couple of beers next time, you might lighten up a little.

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

If this film were an animal it would be roadkill. Not just a armadillo or a dog, but a freakin' huge cow. This film would be a bloated dead cow that is right next to a town in the middle of summer. The stench of it so vile that it carries across homes and cafes and shops making everyone uncomfortable.

Hyperbole? Sure. Sue me.

This is a really bad film. It has not been thought out, has some of the weakest effects work I can think of in a modern blockbuster, and is directed like a TV pilot. It also has more green screen work than 300. Only it looks like something from an old Bond film when they used rear screen projection.

Brett Ratner -all is forgiven! You no longer have the title of making the worst X-Men film!

I am a big fan of the first two X Men films – the first is one of the best demonstrations of a medium sized budget delivering blockbuster sized entertainment. The second one paved the way in showing how intelligent superhero movies were possible. The third, well after tonight I have a new appreciation for it. Its not great, but moves like a freight train, is crammed full of ideas and has some dynamic fight scenes (Magneto and the prison truck is far far better than the Wolverine vs helicopter scene in this film for instance).

Wolverine looked good. It certainly had some good writers involved, a director who had made an impressive film, and Hugh Jackman getting in on the production side of things seemed to me to be a singal that things were looking up for the franchise.

Walking out this evening I am at a loss for words. Where did it all go wrong? The next part of the review is going to go in-depth on spoilers so avoid if you want to see the film (but please, go and watch X Men 2 again – really, I'm looking out for you here)



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Rouge: "Does it hurt?”
Logan: "Every time”

I'm paraphrasing, but that line in X-Men perfectly sums up who Wolverine is, and the rage that is within him. This film doesn't get close to paying off those lines. In the first film, we felt his pain a few times when the claws came out. In this film they are used for comedic effect.

I swear during the credits in the World War One scene a Spitfire shoots at a trench. I'm willing to be corrected here, but if I saw what I think I saw then it just goes to show the wilful ignorance on display.

The relationship between Creed and Logan, which should have been at the centre of the film, gets played off screen. Logan walks away and suddenly its war? What sort of abusive relationship did these two guys have? There needed to be more build up to why the fell out.

Wolverine getting the adamanitum (sp) felt like it was a scene that they had to do, but wanted to get over with as soon as possible. Why was Logan to become indestructible? I'm pretty sure he was taking bullets and blunt force trauma before the experiment.  How did Stryker know Creed wouldn't take it?

Logan's girlfriend. So so dumb. The twist may have worked (of course they then reverse it straight away) but seeing how they faked her death made the whole thing stupid. Creed injects her then puts syrup over her? Does Logan bother looking for marks? What did he do with the body? Did he just leave it there to rot? I don't know if she was brought back as a result of reshoots, but it would have been better if she remained dead.

Where the heck did Gambit run to, only to run back over roof tops to attack Logan and Creed? He was punched out right behind Logan. Such a useless character and a fop to fans who wanted to see him.

Did you know this film was set in the 70s? Me neither.

Wolverine vs. the Blob  - a character whose makeup makes Juggernaut look like a Grade A Stan Winston creation. And then he puts on boxing gloves. Singer must be pissed that all the work he put into the character has turned to crap.

The film really reaches it nadir when, after the experiment, Logan meets up with Ma and Pa Kent. Yes, that is who they are. Bet Clark was away on business, but left some clothes for Wolverine to wear. Ma and Pa Kent bring the film to a halt with their folksy charm and generosity. In Singers film Wolverine comes out of the lab covered in blood. Here he gets a blow dry and a motorbike.

And did they really need to shoe horn in a reason for his name being Wolverine? Could we not have got along with the idea it was his "name” in Vietnam?

The fight on the Statue of Liberty pisses all over the fight between Obi Wan, Qui Gon  and Darth Maul in this film. The Sabertooth/Wolverine fights in that film were more fun as well.

And what was with the bullets at the end? You had a mutant who could tell people what to do by touch. Could she not have told Logan to forget everything due to the pain it was causing him as she lay dying? Could Stryker not have used his son to block Logan's memories? And why did it happen where it did? It seems pretty obvious to me that he lost his memory at Alkaline Lake.

Talking of which, the Logan we see in this film does not mesh up with the character we are told about in X Men 2. I always had a feeling that Wolverine was not a nice guy before the experiment and was working with the government.

Then we get the Patrick Stewart cameo. I am not convinced that he is actually there on screen. It almost looks like a mo-cap experiment. The de-aging in part 3 was a little off, but no where to the degree it was here. And why does he show up at that point? How does he know what's happening? And more to the point, why is his partner at the time, Magneto, not tearing up the island? He isn't known to be a fan of people being kept in cages.


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I could go on about the awful writing, the total waste of characters that could be good (Reynolds had potential, but was wasted. Totally wasted).

This is a void of quality entertainment. It takes no risks, and doesn't seem to have a point to it – something which all the other X-Men films have. We see none of the wider world and how people react to mutants.

I'm sure there are people who loved it and will say that I am looking too deeply into it, but I'm not even looking for the flaws here. If you like the character then nothing will stop you from seeing this. If however you just like a good time at the movies, or are a fan of the X-Men films, then avoid.

It's a dull film that is badly staged and I really hope the production teams take a step back and realise that the superhero movies from last year really showed how the genre is maturing. The Hulk is much much better film than this and it is regarded as the worst of last year's crop.

Fox are behind on the times and I have no doubt that Wolverine will not be looked back on fondly in a decade's time.

One star.

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Comparing this to Batman and Robin is laughable. Have a couple of beers next time, you might lighten up a little.

Is it really? (Says someone who has the only good moment in the film as his avatar) Or maybe Superman IV: The Quest for Peace is more applicable: poor special effects, studio compromised, poorly edited, star in creative control, short running time, forth in a franchise that should kill it, made like a Cannon movie with a modern budget... I agree, I was wrong. That comparison is definetly much more applicable.

Laughable was the film! It was the best unintentional comedy in years! I recommend it to bad movie fans like myself.

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So many questions and the more I think about it, the more it makes less sense than I though. Of course, during all this post-film discussion, my girlfriend told us off, saying we were over analysing it... but it does seem very sloppy.

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So many questions and the more I think about it, the more it makes less sense than I though. Of course, during all this post-film discussion, my girlfriend told us off, saying we were over analysing it... but it does seem very sloppy.

I agree with your missus.

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So many questions and the more I think about it, the more it makes less sense than I though. Of course, during all this post-film discussion, my girlfriend told us off, saying we were over analysing it... but it does seem very sloppy.

I agree with your missus.

Well you do have a Wolverine avatar. I mean, were you ever going to not like this film?

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I can clearly see though where the critisizms come in. So many of the X-Men characters in this film are severlt underplayed, especially in Gambit and Deadpool - not given enough time either to deliver their key characteristics from the comics. Like the title, this is Wolverine centered throughout. But then again, so were the first 3 if you look it that way.
But regardless, the action delivered, the special effects were flashy and swift, and extra credit goes to Liev Schrieber - his Sabretooth was excellent, much better than the one from the first flick, although it doesn't explain why Sabretooth/Victor Creed doesn't know Wolverine in the first flick. Major plot hole there.
It is probably the weakest in the series so far, but its still enoyable in my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: alsybroth

I can clearly see though where the critisizms come in. So many of the X-Men characters in this film are severlt underplayed, especially in Gambit and Deadpool - not given enough time either to deliver their key characteristics from the comics. Like the title, this is Wolverine centered throughout. But then again, so were the first 3 if you look it that way.
But regardless, the action delivered, the special effects were flashy and swift, and extra credit goes to Liev Schrieber - his Sabretooth was excellent, much better than the one from the first flick, although it doesn't explain why Sabretooth/Victor Creed doesn't know Wolverine in the first flick. Major plot hole there.
It is probably the weakest in the series so far, but its still enoyable in my opinion.

So we can have a Gambit spin-off a Deadpool spin-off, as you say this was a Wolverine Movie

Why is it a plot whole? Judging by the age of Prof X and Scott Summer There is probably 15 - 20 years between the end of Origins and X-Men, plenty can happen and there is already talk of a second Wolverine film

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I can clearly see though where the critisizms come in. So many of the X-Men characters in this film are severlt underplayed, especially in Gambit and Deadpool - not given enough time either to deliver their key characteristics from the comics. Like the title, this is Wolverine centered throughout. But then again, so were the first 3 if you look it that way.
But regardless, the action delivered, the special effects were flashy and swift, and extra credit goes to Liev Schrieber - his Sabretooth was excellent, much better than the one from the first flick, although it doesn't explain why Sabretooth/Victor Creed doesn't know Wolverine in the first flick. Major plot hole there.
It is probably the weakest in the series so far, but its still enoyable in my opinion.

So we can have a Gambit spin-off a Deadpool spin-off, as you say this was a Wolverine Movie

Why is it a plot whole? Judging by the age of Prof X and Scott Summer There is probably 15 - 20 years between the end of Origins and X-Men, plenty can happen and there is already talk of a second Wolverine film

It takes place in the 70s. Scott Summers would be in his 40s by the time the X-Men movies arrive.

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You're all over analysing it - it's a fun (early) summer blockbuster.  Ok some of the CGI is poor (like in the bathroom) but it has some genuine unexpected moments and it's full of great action scenes (see the end fight) Reynolds and the dude from scream are excellent in the film.  It might not play as well at home as in the cinema due to the wow special effects so see it on the big screen.  Over all a 3 and a half to four star film.  Forget the plot holes and enjoy the ride...

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ORIGINAL: alsybroth

I can clearly see though where the critisizms come in. So many of the X-Men characters in this film are severlt underplayed, especially in Gambit and Deadpool - not given enough time either to deliver their key characteristics from the comics. Like the title, this is Wolverine centered throughout. But then again, so were the first 3 if you look it that way.
But regardless, the action delivered, the special effects were flashy and swift, and extra credit goes to Liev Schrieber - his Sabretooth was excellent, much better than the one from the first flick, although it doesn't explain why Sabretooth/Victor Creed doesn't know Wolverine in the first flick. Major plot hole there.
It is probably the weakest in the series so far, but its still enoyable in my opinion.

So we can have a Gambit spin-off a Deadpool spin-off, as you say this was a Wolverine Movie

Why is it a plot whole? Judging by the age of Prof X and Scott Summer There is probably 15 - 20 years between the end of Origins and X-Men, plenty can happen and there is already talk of a second Wolverine film

It takes place in the 70s. Scott Summers would be in his 40s by the time the X-Men movies arrive.

The main body of the film starts in the 70's but that doesn't mean it ends in the 70's. Even so do mutants age at the same rate as humans? But this still shows plenty of time for Sabertooth to forget Wolverine for any number of reasons in between

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ORIGINAL: alsybroth

I can clearly see though where the critisizms come in. So many of the X-Men characters in this film are severlt underplayed, especially in Gambit and Deadpool - not given enough time either to deliver their key characteristics from the comics. Like the title, this is Wolverine centered throughout. But then again, so were the first 3 if you look it that way.
But regardless, the action delivered, the special effects were flashy and swift, and extra credit goes to Liev Schrieber - his Sabretooth was excellent, much better than the one from the first flick, although it doesn't explain why Sabretooth/Victor Creed doesn't know Wolverine in the first flick. Major plot hole there.
It is probably the weakest in the series so far, but its still enoyable in my opinion.

So we can have a Gambit spin-off a Deadpool spin-off, as you say this was a Wolverine Movie

Why is it a plot whole? Judging by the age of Prof X and Scott Summer There is probably 15 - 20 years between the end of Origins and X-Men, plenty can happen and there is already talk of a second Wolverine film

It takes place in the 70s. Scott Summers would be in his 40s by the time the X-Men movies arrive.

The main body of the film starts in the 70's but that doesn't mean it ends in the 70's. Even so do mutants age at the same rate as humans? But this still shows plenty of time for Sabertooth to forget Wolverine for any number of reasons in between

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You're all over analysing it - it's a fun (early) summer blockbuster.  Ok some of the CGI is poor (like in the bathroom) but it has some genuine unexpected moments and it's full of great action scenes (see the end fight) Reynolds and the dude from scream are excellent in the film.  It might not play as well at home as in the cinema due to the wow special effects so see it on the big screen.  Over all a 3 and a half to four star film.  Forget the plot holes and enjoy the ride...

But the ride doesn't make any sense. The ride says we are going to Awesome Town and then re-directs to Suck City. The ride isn't fun.

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You're all over analysing it - it's a fun (early) summer blockbuster.  Ok some of the CGI is poor (like in the bathroom) but it has some genuine unexpected moments and it's full of great action scenes (see the end fight) Reynolds and the dude from scream are excellent in the film.  It might not play as well at home as in the cinema due to the wow special effects so see it on the big screen.  Over all a 3 and a half to four star film.  Forget the plot holes and enjoy the ride...

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Did you know this film was set in the 70s? Me neither.

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Batman and Robin?!? Hardly, mate. What were you smoking??

Nothing, thank you. But this was just neon lighting away from that movie. I really can't believe the franchise has fell this far. I side with Goodfella and krudler on this one.

Not even close and you know it! Batman and bloody Robin was a cartoon. It had cartoon sound effects when people fell over. Wolverine is nowhere NEAR Batman and friggin' Robin!!! Seriously! Are you sure you're not high?

Don't drink, don't smoke, so check. By the time Wolverine flew through the air like he was being grabbed by the hand of God or bounced on water like a bean bag, the words "cartoony" were going through my mind along with "bloody silly". Hell, the dialogue is on par with a poor Saturday Morning Cartoon at points. That fight with Blob (the "Bub" exchange was enough to make me roll my eyes back into my head) was ludicrious, pointless running time filler, which would have been far better spent on tiny, insignificant things like character development so I give a damn someone pops their clogs every 10 minutes (which stops being effective by the 4th time). At least the plot in Batman and Robin resembed or impersonated coherent. This has more holes than a sieve.

Examples (HUGE spoilers, naturally):
- Gambit, an escaped prisoner keeps a low profile... by being the flashy, attention-seeking card-sharp who has gambling debts. Great plan.
- How does Weapon XI's head keep sending out laser beams?
- Why do the eye beams keep changing from heat to concussion?
- Why doesn't Stryker send Agent Zero with the adamantium bullets? Particularly since he shot him right in the ten spot!
- How come a normal bullet knocks out Wolverine for 2 minutes in X2 whilst here it does nothing.
- How can adamantium penetrate adamantium? That's like bashing two rocks together.
- What the hell was Wolverine doing on that Stryker mission? Everyone BUT him got something to do! Was he picking his teeth with his claws?
- How does a knocked out Gambit suddenly disappear off the floor onto the top of a building in the space of a cut. (Answer: sloppy editing)
- How does Weapon XI's arms work with the katana blades in them? I can suspend disbelief for Wolverine, but those blades were the whole length of his arm and came out of his knuckles! He wouldn't be able to move his arms, severly impairing his dexterity.
- How does Stryker go so far (looked like he walked for days) when the police were on the island in minutes?
- Where did Logan's jacket go? And how come he has it back for the other movies?
- How can Stryker be in the position to talk to the President when he killed a general?
- Why does Silverfox go to the trouble of an elaborate ruse when she could have grabbed Wolverine by the hand and told him to go through the bonding.
- Why does Agent Zero kill the old couple. They weren't targets, he was just being EEEVVVVIIILLL. Not to mention it gives away their position.
- How can Wolverine not smell bear blood on Silverfox?
- How come Sabretooth and Wolverine don't recognise each other in X-Men?
- Why did they go to the trouble of building an entire new dam for Stryker after his waterfall base (why?) after he kills the general?
- What the hell does Wolverine do with Silverfox after the cut away to the bar? What was he doing in that time?
- How come everyone calls Wolverine an animal or a nasty person when we don't actually see any real evidence of this?
- How does Stryker know exactly  what will happen to Wolverine with the adamantium bullets?

So many more. I can usually overlook plot holes, but this was an assault on common sense and logic.

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You're all over analysing it - it's a fun (early) summer blockbuster.  Ok some of the CGI is poor (like in the bathroom) but it has some genuine unexpected moments and it's full of great action scenes (see the end fight) Reynolds and the dude from scream are excellent in the film.  It might not play as well at home as in the cinema due to the wow special effects so see it on the big screen.  Over all a 3 and a half to four star film.  Forget the plot holes and enjoy the ride...

But weren't they actual prop claws in the bathroom scene? He wasn't fighting with them and was just looking at them extended so that normally means they are an on-set prop.