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bub -> death/murder video websites (13/1/2006 12:00:17 AM)

A nice morbid topic for everyone. One day curiosity got the better of me and i wondered if there were sites that showed people dying. My reason for this was that films show people die in gruesome ways for our entertainment and i guess i wanted to know what it really looked like when someone was shot, stapped etc. Pretty sick i know but i guess it would help me better appreciate all the tragic things that happen in this world. I was deeply disturbed to discover that with a few clicks of my mouse i could watch people die in very horrible ways. What i found worse than this is that some of these sites actually charged for the plesure. After watching some footage that i found absolutley disgusting i realised that i would never want to see any of this stuff again. But i was more disgusted with how easy it was to find and that people actually make a profit out of it. Should these sites be banned for showing the last great taboo? If you would allow these kind of sites do you agree that any money made from them should go to charity? Am i a sick sick man for wanting to even look at this filth? Have you yourself watched this sort of thing?




NadaPlissken -> RE: death/murder video websites (13/1/2006 12:16:15 AM)

It's the same with snuff films, when all you get is a montage of people getting killed for real.  I've never watched any, and I don't intend to.  It's more sick when this crap gets classed as "cinema".

You can find any taboo on the internet, and that goes to show how there's always a market for perversions despite how twisted they might be.  But if say, one person pays for some snuff videos, and someone else pays for normal porn, whats the difference?  These should really be classed together, because both people are getting it for the same reason, right?  So you can't ban them from the net without taking down all sorts of porn in general.  And surely, you don't want that.

You can't draw a line, because what one person finds disgusting someone else finds arousing....it's a sick world. 




bub -> RE: death/murder video websites (13/1/2006 12:25:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NadaPlissken

You can't draw a line, because what one person finds disgusting someone else finds arousing....it's a sick world


it is indeed i personally don't think these sites should be banned if people want to watch this stuff they can but i really don't think these sites should be making money out of other people's suffering.




Ref -> RE: death/murder video websites (13/1/2006 12:49:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NadaPlissken

You can't draw a line, because what one person finds disgusting someone else finds arousing....it's a sick world. 



I disagree.  Somethings are so depraved and disgusting that it should be taken off the internet e.g. the supposed 'rape websites' should be banned.




bub -> RE: death/murder video websites (13/1/2006 12:57:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ref

quote:

ORIGINAL: NadaPlissken

You can't draw a line, because what one person finds disgusting someone else finds arousing....it's a sick world. 



I disagree.  Somethings are so depraved and disgusting that it should be taken off the internet e.g. the supposed 'rape websites' should be banned.


good god thats sick do these people actually go out with the sole intention of raping women and putting it on a website?




lulu karma -> RE: death/murder video websites (13/1/2006 1:01:33 AM)

Faces of Death, a video series, has been around for decades.  I've seen a few of them and they are fairly gruesome.  I venture to say the reason that people watch such a thing is a fascination with our own mortality. An odd fixation on what can happen to the body under certain circumstances.

Faces of Death is absolutely legitimate and can be easily bought in many DVD stores and online.  It's not something I want to own.  I watched it when I considered becoming a forensic scientist ages ago.  I must admit having an odd fascination with some of the things I saw.  It was as if the scientific part of my brain kicked in, but then that is how forensic scientists manage to do the job.




ProbablyaCrazyPerson -> RE: death/murder video websites (13/1/2006 1:16:46 AM)

I saw a fair few of those gruesome videos at school when younger and I think they epitomise the problems with censorship on the internet. Its something I feel quite strongly about at the moment and currently theres nowt that freaks me out like that new AOL advert that promises to stamp out terrorism and racism websites and so forth. I mean, where can you possibly draw the line? How are you meant to decide whether or not to draw the line between banning strangling fetish websites but keeping bondage porn ones?

Theres definately a difference however between the wesites that offer this crap as black humour and those that treat it like a kind of fetish, rating videos on their particular merits and so forth. Is that where you can draw the line?




RabidHamster -> RE: death/murder video websites (13/1/2006 2:15:48 AM)

I'm familiar with the Faces of Death video, as well as the Red Asphalt video that's shown to new drivers as part of driver training. I no longer feel much curiosity about these videos; I've lost interest.

That said, I see no reason to shut these sites down, unless they're actually going out and harming people to get these videos. I've always felt that to ban something gives it a sense of legitimacy.
I'm personally glad that the Internet is not under full control of a single nation or organization, as I really can't abide censorship.




ilovebeerme -> RE: death/murder video websites (13/1/2006 1:59:25 PM)

I was told that all the faces of death videos were fake.  The one I saw when in the US, with a cannibal orgy, a man being eaten by a croc, a woman jumping off a building, a guy in the electric chair etc, had some scenes that looked real and some that were 100% faked.

I once saw a video of a russian soldier being executed by having his throat cut in Chechnya.  It was posted on a forum like this one.  It was deeply disturbing and I thouroughly recommend that anybody with a morbid curiosity for these things doesn't pursue the matter.




King_Wah -> RE: death/murder video websites (13/1/2006 2:15:39 PM)

I think it is part of human nature that the logical side of my brain is saying that taking a thrill in such things is a bit sick. However there is another part of me that is almost itching to get on to Google and look for one of these sites. I have to say though I am repelled by the thought of a rape website. Aren't human morals weird ?

Or is it just me ?




Alistair -> Death/murder video websites (13/1/2006 3:10:01 PM)

I've actually had the misfortune of visiting a porn website that included 'fake rape' scenario videos as a part of the site. Needless to say it is not very nice and upsetting (it's wasn't at all graphic though, very tame infact) and that isn't even real. Nowhere near as bad though as the horrible scene in Irreversible, which is a mainstream film no less.

Like someone just said, the internet has all kinds of shit. Sometimes it's hard to avoid it.

I could never view a video of someone having their head chopped off.  It took me a week once to get over seeing JFK having his head blown off in Oliver Stone's JFK. I hate that kind of stuff. 

I was once sent an image from that 'rotten' website of a guy missing a face after a motorbike accident, needless to say I almost spewed.




jinks -> RE: Death/murder video websites (13/1/2006 3:39:13 PM)

Many years ago, i think maybe 10 or 15 years a video was released in the shops called 'Executions' (i think it was called that) and it detailed all manner of deaths and stuff that like. I think it got banned shortly after release. It was more a documentary, but it did show actual footage of people being executed; beheadings, hanging and such like.
I borrowed it off of a friend out of sheer morbid curiosity (i was in my late teens, early 20's at the time. I'm 26 now), but i was horrified at some of the imagery on show, especially after one execution didnt work first time.




Skiba -> RE: Death/murder video websites (13/1/2006 4:04:21 PM)

Snuff movies though are a myth...the FBI looked into this for around 20 years and found no evidence whatsoever




bub -> RE: Death/murder video websites (13/1/2006 4:27:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Skiba

Snuff movies though are a myth...the FBI looked into this for around 20 years and found no evidence whatsoever

We are not talking about snuff movies these are accidents, murders that just happened to be caught on tape




NadaPlissken -> RE: Death/murder video websites (14/1/2006 1:08:01 PM)

I've always found the premise of snuff dubious, despite what the "fans" say.  As for the real stuff, what I said about drawing a line I still stand by.  We could all have a consenus about what you're allowed to get aroused by, and lump rape / death in the same catagory as paedophilia as "twisted", but we treated homosexuality the same way fifty years ago.  




HIM -> RE: death/murder video websites (14/1/2006 3:56:52 PM)

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But if say, one person pays for some snuff videos, and someone else pays for normal porn, whats the difference? These should really be classed together, because both people are getting it for the same reason, right?


There a hell of a difference between a snauff movie and a porn movie. A biog, big difference. For a start no one dies in a porn film. Lord knows I've watched plenty of porn in my time but I've never felt the need to watch a snuff movie. Saying people get them for the same reason is ludicrous!




M -> RE: death/murder video websites (14/1/2006 4:50:54 PM)

I'm loving the fact that at the top of this thread is an advert for Let Him Have It on DVD with a hangman animation next to it.  It couldn't be more fitting...[:D]




NadaPlissken -> RE: death/murder video websites (14/1/2006 5:26:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HIM

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But if say, one person pays for some snuff videos, and someone else pays for normal porn, whats the difference? These should really be classed together, because both people are getting it for the same reason, right?


There a hell of a difference between a snauff movie and a porn movie. A biog, big difference. For a start no one dies in a porn film. Lord knows I've watched plenty of porn in my time but I've never felt the need to watch a snuff movie. Saying people get them for the same reason is ludicrous!




Yeah, that's not what I meant.  What I was suggesting (which is far fetched), that a "normal" person would get porn to get aroused, while a sick depraved and twisted person might get snuff because it turns him on.  Sure, there's a hell of a difference in the material, but in the same way as a paedo drools over a Mothercare magazine, would a snuff obsessive do the same with a snuff film?

I just realised what I said, and I'm not saying Mothercare should be classed as porn.  But can you see my vague, rather general point?




moontheloon -> RE: Death/murder video websites (14/1/2006 6:29:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Skiba

Snuff movies though are a myth...the FBI looked into this for around 20 years and found no evidence whatsoever


okay that just isn't true. Snuff films do exist. My politics teacher told us of one that he had the mispleasure to see once. They do exist on the internet in some places.

In my opinion they are sick and quite disgusting that people get off on it is just awful. The only people I have seen die are the things like the footage of JFK having his head shot off and just things that got caught on tape. I think I have seen someone be electricuted as well but I really did not enjoy it in any way and do not want to do it again. Back in secondary school when someone found a video if a hostage having his head chopped off, it was in Iraq and in my school we did have some anti americans who enjoyed this sort of thing. They were all huddled around the screen jeering and to my disgust laughing. I refused to watch because I felt uncomfortable considering watching it especially in that company.

Saying that I do not think they should be banned because as the AOL adverts say, the internet is the last remaining place free of censorship. If it becomes censored I would be quite annoyed myself because although I do not want to see this sort of thing how do we know where they would draw the line. Would they, as has been sugessted in another thread, ban bad language. This sort of thing disgusts me greatly and if it ever happened I would be offended. So although I am against I must say just on principle that they shouldn't be banned




NadaPlissken -> RE: Death/murder video websites (14/1/2006 6:46:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: moontheloon

Saying that I do not think they should be banned because as the AOL adverts say, the internet is the last remaining place free of censorship. If it becomes censored I would be quite annoyed myself because although I do not want to see this sort of thing how do we know where they would draw the line. Would they, as has been sugessted in another thread, ban bad language. This sort of thing disgusts me greatly and if it ever happened I would be offended. So although I am against I must say just on principle that they shouldn't be banned



Yeah that's what I was getting at.  The same argument for snuff could essentially be used for porn, and then as you said, bad language, satire, etc etc.




HIM -> RE: death/murder video websites (14/1/2006 9:34:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NadaPlissken

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ORIGINAL: HIM

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But if say, one person pays for some snuff videos, and someone else pays for normal porn, whats the difference? These should really be classed together, because both people are getting it for the same reason, right?


There a hell of a difference between a snauff movie and a porn movie. A biog, big difference. For a start no one dies in a porn film. Lord knows I've watched plenty of porn in my time but I've never felt the need to watch a snuff movie. Saying people get them for the same reason is ludicrous!




Yeah, that's not what I meant.  What I was suggesting (which is far fetched), that a "normal" person would get porn to get aroused, while a sick depraved and twisted person might get snuff because it turns him on.  Sure, there's a hell of a difference in the material, but in the same way as a paedo drools over a Mothercare magazine, would a snuff obsessive do the same with a snuff film?

I just realised what I said, and I'm not saying Mothercare should be classed as porn.  But can you see my vague, rather general point?



Oh yeah I get what you're saying now! [:D] Although I still don't agree. For instance, some people (probably Donald McKinney) get turned on by scat, but should we ban weeing and pooing? [sm=33.gif] A lot of people get turned on by a lot of different and sometime innocuous things. That's just human nature.




bub -> RE: death/murder video websites (14/1/2006 9:53:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HIM

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ORIGINAL: NadaPlissken

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ORIGINAL: HIM

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But if say, one person pays for some snuff videos, and someone else pays for normal porn, whats the difference? These should really be classed together, because both people are getting it for the same reason, right?


There a hell of a difference between a snauff movie and a porn movie. A biog, big difference. For a start no one dies in a porn film. Lord knows I've watched plenty of porn in my time but I've never felt the need to watch a snuff movie. Saying people get them for the same reason is ludicrous!




Yeah, that's not what I meant.  What I was suggesting (which is far fetched), that a "normal" person would get porn to get aroused, while a sick depraved and twisted person might get snuff because it turns him on.  Sure, there's a hell of a difference in the material, but in the same way as a paedo drools over a Mothercare magazine, would a snuff obsessive do the same with a snuff film?

I just realised what I said, and I'm not saying Mothercare should be classed as porn.  But can you see my vague, rather general point?



Oh yeah I get what you're saying now! [:D] Although I still don't agree. For instance, some people (probably Donald McKinney) get turned on by scat, but should we ban weeing and pooing? [sm=33.gif] A lot of people get turned on by a lot of different and sometime innocuous things. That's just human nature.


[sm=happy07.gif]




NadaPlissken -> RE: death/murder video websites (14/1/2006 10:39:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bub

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ORIGINAL: HIM

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ORIGINAL: NadaPlissken

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ORIGINAL: HIM

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But if say, one person pays for some snuff videos, and someone else pays for normal porn, whats the difference? These should really be classed together, because both people are getting it for the same reason, right?


There a hell of a difference between a snauff movie and a porn movie. A biog, big difference. For a start no one dies in a porn film. Lord knows I've watched plenty of porn in my time but I've never felt the need to watch a snuff movie. Saying people get them for the same reason is ludicrous!




Yeah, that's not what I meant.  What I was suggesting (which is far fetched), that a "normal" person would get porn to get aroused, while a sick depraved and twisted person might get snuff because it turns him on.  Sure, there's a hell of a difference in the material, but in the same way as a paedo drools over a Mothercare magazine, would a snuff obsessive do the same with a snuff film?

I just realised what I said, and I'm not saying Mothercare should be classed as porn.  But can you see my vague, rather general point?



Oh yeah I get what you're saying now! [:D] Although I still don't agree. For instance, some people (probably Donald McKinney) get turned on by scat, but should we ban weeing and pooing? [sm=33.gif] A lot of people get turned on by a lot of different and sometime innocuous things. That's just human nature.


[sm=happy07.gif]


Hahaha.  [:-]

However, if you say don't ban weeing and pooing wouldn't the rape fetishist use the same arguement to say don't ban rape and violence ?  Then, if you say "just ban stuff that causes harm to people" or something, you get the thin end of the wedge, then before you no it, S&M is gone, then from there so is all your standard "normal" porn.

I'm talking about porn a lot.  But, none of us singles can live without it.




Alistair -> RE: death/murder video websites (14/1/2006 11:12:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NadaPlissken
I'm talking about porn a lot.  But, none of us singles can live without it.


Damn straight.

Now, where was I...ah...




bub -> RE: death/murder video websites (14/1/2006 11:21:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Alistair

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ORIGINAL: NadaPlissken
I'm talking about porn a lot.  But, none of us singles can live without it.


Damn straight.

Now, where was I...ah...


[sm=fighting03.gif] when did this turn into a wank off thread?




The Don -> RE: death/murder video websites (14/1/2006 11:55:20 PM)

This post is a little off topic, but still revolving around the issue of censorship. It's very possible that those of you not familiar with the great and extremely popular game, Counter Strike: Source, or just online games in general, won't be able to understand everything I'm about to say, and I'm genuinely sorry about that. For those people's information, it's a online multiplayer game, where you, basically, shoot the crap out of the opposite team with a number of various deadly weapons. Anyway, today I joined a server I had never been on before and, being the shitty shot that I am, no more than a few devastating moments into my first round of playing I sadly got gunned down by an enemy. Being muchos pissed off, I went on to write a clever message to the chat that so simply said "damn". To my huge surprise, when looking at the chat seconds later, I realized that all my message said was "****". Now, I know that a lot of online servers have chosen to censor such swearwords as "fuck", "cunt", "cock", "shit" etc., but "damn"? I thought we had moved on from the time of Gone With the Wind, but apparently I was wrong (again). Moreso, the administrator of the server said something along the lines of "please stop swearing. This is a Christian server and we do not tolerate such offensive cursing". Being the slightly anarchistic and, to a greater extent, rebelling person I am (ala R.P. McMurphy from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) I asked him politely why people weren't allowed to swear, when all the final message would look like was four tiny stars, and thus not proving offensive in any way possible. He replied to me with something I didn't, and still don't, fully understand about the rules of the server and yadda, yadda, yadda, so I just chosed to ignore him and leave that crap server (obviously, before I left I wrote a big daring "f u c k i n g  c u n t", remembering to have a space between every letter, in order to avoid being censored once more). What the hell is the world coming to, when people are shooting and stabbing and blowing the shit out of each other in a online game, but a innocent and unoffensive swearword such as "damn" gets censored, just because a bunch of ultimately idiotic and ignorant Christians (I'm not making any generalisations here. I'm Christian myself, by the way) can't take a few swearwords, but doesn't mind playing a game where you kill people for sheer entertainment value? The ten commandments so honestly taught us that "thou shalt not kill" (yes, I realize it's just a game...), but did they ever say anything about not swearing? Didn't think so.
 
Discuss. [8|]




CURIOUS_GEORGE -> RE: death/murder video websites (15/1/2006 12:04:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NadaPlissken

It's the same with snuff films, when all you get is a montage of people getting killed for real.  I've never watched any, and I don't intend to.  It's more sick when this crap gets classed as "cinema".

You can find any taboo on the internet, and that goes to show how there's always a market for perversions despite how twisted they might be.  But if say, one person pays for some snuff videos, and someone else pays for normal porn, whats the difference?  These should really be classed together, because both people are getting it for the same reason, right?  So you can't ban them from the net without taking down all sorts of porn in general.  And surely, you don't want that.

You can't draw a line, because what one person finds disgusting someone else finds arousing....it's a sick world. 



Hmmm, I think there might be a rather large line between porn and death.




NadaPlissken -> RE: death/murder video websites (15/1/2006 12:07:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CURIOUS_GEORGE

quote:

ORIGINAL: NadaPlissken

It's the same with snuff films, when all you get is a montage of people getting killed for real.  I've never watched any, and I don't intend to.  It's more sick when this crap gets classed as "cinema".

You can find any taboo on the internet, and that goes to show how there's always a market for perversions despite how twisted they might be.  But if say, one person pays for some snuff videos, and someone else pays for normal porn, whats the difference?  These should really be classed together, because both people are getting it for the same reason, right?  So you can't ban them from the net without taking down all sorts of porn in general.  And surely, you don't want that.

You can't draw a line, because what one person finds disgusting someone else finds arousing....it's a sick world. 



Hmmm, I think there might be a rather large line between porn and death.



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Oh, and Don, that's bloody stupid. 




CURIOUS_GEORGE -> RE: death/murder video websites (15/1/2006 12:08:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: The Don

This post is a little off topic, but still revolving around the issue of censorship. It's very possible that those of you not familiar with the great and extremely popular game, Counter Strike: Source, or just online games in general, won't be able to understand everything I'm about to say, and I'm genuinely sorry about that. For those people's information, it's a online multiplayer game, where you, basically, shoot the crap out of the opposite team with a number of various deadly weapons. Anyway, today I joined a server I had never been on before and, being the shitty shot that I am, no more than a few devastating moments into my first round of playing I sadly got gunned down by an enemy. Being muchos pissed off, I went on to write a clever message to the chat that so simply said "damn". To my huge surprise, when looking at the chat seconds later, I realized that all my message said was "****". Now, I know that a lot of online servers have chosen to censor such swearwords as "fuck", "cunt", "cock", "shit" etc., but "damn"? I thought we had moved on from the time of Gone With the Wind, but apparently I was wrong (again). Moreso, the administrator of the server said something along the lines of "please stop swearing. This is a Christian server and we do not tolerate such offensive cursing". Being the slightly anarchistic and, to a greater extent, rebelling person I am (ala R.P. McMurphy from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) I asked him politely why people weren't allowed to swear, when all the final message would look like was four tiny stars, and thus not proving offensive in any way possible. He replied to me with something I didn't, and still don't, fully understand about the rules of the server and yadda, yadda, yadda, so I just chosed to ignore him and leave that crap server (obviously, before I left I wrote a big daring "f u c k i n g  c u n t", remembering to have a space between every letter, in order to avoid being censored once more). What the hell is the world coming to, when people are shooting and stabbing and blowing the shit out of each other in a online game, but a innocent and unoffensive swearword such as "damn" gets censored, just because a bunch of ultimately idiotic and ignorant Christians (I'm not making any generalisations here. I'm Christian myself, by the way) can't take a few swearwords, but doesn't mind playing a game where you kill people for sheer entertainment value? The ten commandments so honestly taught us that "thou shalt not kill" (yes, I realize it's just a game...), but did they ever say anything about not swearing? Didn't think so.
 
Discuss. [8|]


A good technqiue.




CURIOUS_GEORGE -> RE: death/murder video websites (15/1/2006 12:09:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NadaPlissken

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ORIGINAL: CURIOUS_GEORGE

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ORIGINAL: NadaPlissken

It's the same with snuff films, when all you get is a montage of people getting killed for real.  I've never watched any, and I don't intend to.  It's more sick when this crap gets classed as "cinema".

You can find any taboo on the internet, and that goes to show how there's always a market for perversions despite how twisted they might be.  But if say, one person pays for some snuff videos, and someone else pays for normal porn, whats the difference?  These should really be classed together, because both people are getting it for the same reason, right?  So you can't ban them from the net without taking down all sorts of porn in general.  And surely, you don't want that.

You can't draw a line, because what one person finds disgusting someone else finds arousing....it's a sick world. 



Hmmm, I think there might be a rather large line between porn and death.



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Oh, and Don, that's bloody stupid. 



Can't be arsed, there's too many and I'm too tired. I normally read the ones that I think are going to be most interesting (the 1st, Yours, Dons).




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