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ScottiE -> Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 9:25:21 AM)

Chris Nolan.
Yes he has only been in the Movie making bussiness for a short period of time
however his CV of movies is outstanding.
not one bad yet, all have been outstanding  IMO.

can he be comsidered one of if not the best modern movie directer.?
your opions please




Rumbaabaa -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 9:30:47 AM)

Yes.




richCie -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 9:43:10 AM)

there isnt a huge amount of competition, but i'd easily say he's over-rated. Batman Begins, TDK arent all that especially in terms of direction. Memento is brilliant, and Insomnia has some great moments. Prestige was let down by a poor story and some dodgy acting.

but he's still not that brilliant. but then like i said there's little competition. so yeh i suppose he is.




Squidward Hark Bugle -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 10:02:40 AM)

No.




elab49 -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 10:14:55 AM)

There is a lot of competition. Of his work he has made 2 excellent films - Memento and Insomnia. One however is a foreign remake. It isn't really enough for the hagiography as yet. But Memento means you are always hopeful his next work will be as good so he has plenty of time yet to stop making hodgepdoges of interesting mistakes.




MOTH -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 10:24:30 AM)

The Prestige was a mess of a film and he still struggles to direct action sequences. He does seem an intelligent bloke though, so hopefully he'll keep making interesting choices for his films




jon5000 -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 10:43:36 AM)

He's a superb filmmaker, no question. And its fantastic that he's British. Although, he's also apparently half American.

In my opinion his best film is Insomnia. Even though it was essentially a remake, it still has enough of a unique stamp on it - its more like a 40s noir set in the daylight. Following was such an interesting debut, and Memento is probably his most original film - he really did bring something different with Memento.

The only thing preventing him from being considered truly great, in my opinion, is the fact that we haven't seen him really leave the noir genre. Don't get me wrong, he's brilliant at what he does - but I'd love to see him tackle something a little more lighthearted.




Scabby -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 11:27:39 AM)

I would say the problem with Nolan is that he doesn't seem to inject any flair into his work. Sure, all his films are fantastic and well made but he just lacks something special in his direction to make him really stand-out. I suppose though, at the moment his films being excellent will have to do [:D]




Deviation -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 11:53:37 AM)

He's not half as good as Danny Boyle, who isn't as good as Hitchcock.

To be honest, I find Mememto and Insomnia to be the only films he made to be worth a mention. Mememto has a decent script made to look great thanks to the approach taken to it. Insomnia is one of those few remakes that improve on the original.

His other films though.....

The Prestige has an awful third act, ridicolous at best.
Batman Begins was a dull bore. A ridicolous plot taken way to seriously to an extent that he ruined the action sequences to promote the realism. The film ended up just pretentious.
The Dark Knight had some script problems, but it was a good enough film, and unlike its predecessor, it was actually fun.
Following is good, a tad amatuerish but well made and does have an unexpected twist at the end.




krudler -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 12:08:13 PM)

Memento
Insomnia
Batman Begins
The Prestige
The Dark Knight

He hasnt made a bad movie yet, compared to the output of other British directors, Neil Marshall has made 1 good movie and 2 average ones, and Paul WS Anderson has made no good movies and Danny Boyle has made a mixed bag of stuff

As for saying he cant direct action sequences? watch the truck chase from TDK its fantastic, take note Michael Bay action scenes are better when you can actually see whats going on




Deviation -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 12:19:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: krudler

Memento
Insomnia
Batman Begins
The Prestige
The Dark Knight

He hasnt made a bad movie yet, compared to the output of other British directors, Neil Marshall has made 1 good movie and 2 average ones, and Paul WS Anderson has made no good movies and Danny Boyle has made a mixed bag of stuff

As for saying he cant direct action sequences? watch the truck chase from TDK its fantastic, take note Michael Bay action scenes are better when you can actually see whats going on


It depends, the action scenes in Batman Begins are terrible. The one in The Dark Knight are great.




ElephantBoy -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 12:39:18 PM)

Arn't we all forgetton his debut the Following which was a brillent slick and nasty satire.  Slight as it maybe he then followed it up with the wonderful mind twister Memento which i consider one of this decades very best, and Insonma which was also a nice charcter driven thriller with a real intensety and Al's best performance in years.  As you all know i'm a big fan of what he's doing with the Batman Films and can't wait for number 3.  The Pristege was his only patchy film so far.  So it's a yes for me also!

Memento 9/10
Batman Begins 9/10
The Dark Knight 8/10
Insonma 8/10
The Following 8/10
The Preistge 6/10




elab49 -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 12:39:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: krudler

Memento
Insomnia
Batman Begins
The Prestige
The Dark Knight

He hasnt made a bad movie yet, compared to the output of other British directors, Neil Marshall has made 1 good movie and 2 average ones, and Paul WS Anderson has made no good movies and Danny Boyle has made a mixed bag of stuff

As for saying he cant direct action sequences? watch the truck chase from TDK its fantastic, take note Michael Bay action scenes are better when you can actually see whats going on


That is quite a limited genre based list of current British directors though, isn't it. Hardly the group Nolan aspires to be in.

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  the action scenes in Batman Begins are terrible.


Absolutely agree.

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  The one in The Dark Knight are great


All improved but some do get boringly wrong. The best, for me, is the skill seen in the heist at the start. After that I already felt it was a dramatic improvement on Batman Begins.




ElephantBoy -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 12:44:33 PM)

Would have to disagree with that, for me Begins is the best Batman film yet just edgeing out Returns.  As much as i love the Dark Knight and think it's a more important film in what it says about our world, the narritive wasn't as tight and there were flaws.




KnightofZyryab -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 5:47:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Deviation

He's not half as good as Danny Boyle, who isn't as good as Hitchcock.



Well obviously Boyle isn't any where near Hitchcock, and Nolan isn't half as good as Boyle because he's better, in my opinion. If we're going to draw the comparison between these two then, I think they are totally different directors; Boyle is more inventive technically, but Nolan has a brilliant command of story and narrative realisation that I find more intriguing. TBH there isn't much competition so he is one of Britain's best directors I would say, in address to the thread title.




Chris66 -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 5:50:32 PM)

I would say he is my second favourite British director after Ridley Scott. 




richCie -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 6:24:51 PM)

taking it to mean living directors, what competition is there?
Danny Boyle has been mentioned, Shane Meadows should as well, but i struggle to think of much past that. i don't often pay particular fuss to the nationality of a director so perhaps i'm overlooking some.




Dantes Inferno -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 6:49:21 PM)

Nolan is a fantastic film-maker. I haven't seen Following yet, but I love all of his other films, with the favorite spot being shared between The Dark Knight and Memento. As for not being able to direct action scenes? Give me a break!

I'd rate his films like this:

Memento - 10
Insomnia - 9
The Prestige - 10
Batman Begins - 8
The Dark Knight - 10




elab49 -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 6:52:03 PM)

Like Terence Davies, Ken Loach, Mike Leigh, Michael Winterbottom, Stephen Frears,  etc etc? [:D]




Dantes Inferno -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 7:00:44 PM)

Is this a case of someone typing faster than you, elab, making you look like you haven't even read the post above you? [:D]




elab49 -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 7:03:48 PM)

[sm=mad45.gif]

richCie knows who I was talking to.




Dantes Inferno -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 7:05:13 PM)

I was beginning to wonder if you were answering me and was arguing that Mike Leigh was one of the best actions directors in Britain, which didn't ring true.




Dirty Hartigan -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 7:27:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dantes Inferno

Nolan is a fantastic film-maker. I haven't seen Following yet, but I love all of his other films, with the favorite spot being shared between The Dark Knight and Memento. As for not being able to direct action scenes? Give me a break!



Yep, totally agree (though Memento is still number one for me), the ones in Batman Begins are perfectly fine, bar the close up shakeycam fight scenes where you can barely make out what's going on. Does a director need to direct action anyway? Isn't that what the likes of Vic Armstrong are for?




Scabby -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 7:41:05 PM)

Nolan is very hands on and directs every single shot himself and doesn't use a 2nd unit. Therefore the action is directed by him, which is rare for someone to do that. 




richCie -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 7:41:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: elab49

Like Terence Davies, Ken Loach, Mike Leigh, Michael Winterbottom, Stephen Frears,  etc etc? [:D]


aint seen any of their films, and mike leigh in particular i have no interest in doing so.

and i dont like ken loach very much.

NEXT :P




Dantes Inferno -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 7:48:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dirty Hartigan

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ORIGINAL: Dantes Inferno

Nolan is a fantastic film-maker. I haven't seen Following yet, but I love all of his other films, with the favorite spot being shared between The Dark Knight and Memento. As for not being able to direct action scenes? Give me a break!



Yep, totally agree (though Memento is still number one for me), the ones in Batman Begins are perfectly fine, bar the close up shakeycam fight scenes where you can barely make out what's going on. Does a director need to direct action anyway? Isn't that what the likes of Vic Armstrong are for?


I hear this criticism a lot, but I don't understand it. Nolan did this with intention to give us a feeling of how the criminals feels. After all, one of the skills of Batman is manipulating darkness and confusion to his advantage.




Rhubarb -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (14/1/2009 9:04:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dantes Inferno


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ORIGINAL: Dirty Hartigan

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ORIGINAL: Dantes Inferno

Nolan is a fantastic film-maker. I haven't seen Following yet, but I love all of his other films, with the favorite spot being shared between The Dark Knight and Memento. As for not being able to direct action scenes? Give me a break!



Yep, totally agree (though Memento is still number one for me), the ones in Batman Begins are perfectly fine, bar the close up shakeycam fight scenes where you can barely make out what's going on. Does a director need to direct action anyway? Isn't that what the likes of Vic Armstrong are for?


I hear this criticism a lot, but I don't understand it. Nolan did this with intention to give us a feeling of how the criminals feels. After all, one of the skills of Batman is manipulating darkness and confusion to his advantage.


A bit sick?




Deviation -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (15/1/2009 2:28:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofZyryab

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ORIGINAL: Deviation

He's not half as good as Danny Boyle, who isn't as good as Hitchcock.



Well obviously Boyle isn't any where near Hitchcock, and Nolan isn't half as good as Boyle because he's better, in my opinion. If we're going to draw the comparison between these two then, I think they are totally different directors; Boyle is more inventive technically, but Nolan has a brilliant command of story and narrative realisation that I find more intriguing. TBH there isn't much competition so he is one of Britain's best directors I would say, in address to the thread title.


True, but I also think Boyle can carry a plot better than Nolan since, I found The Prestige and Batman Begins to be quite awful, and worse than anything Boyle has done, bar out A Life Less Ordinary which I still haven't seen. But still, you are right, two very different directors. There are very good directors in Britian, just don't get much attention. It took me to start buying Sight and Sound to discover a director called Terence Davies exists, the only Ken Loach I've seen is his latest one, never seen a Winterbottom or a Frears, but they are also very rarely mentioned. The only one who gets a decent publicity or coverage around is Shane Meadows.


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I hear this criticism a lot, but I don't understand it. Nolan did this with intention to give us a feeling of how the criminals feels. After all, one of the skills of Batman is manipulating darkness and confusion to his advantage.



And took away any excitement from them, and made a Batman film boring, something not even Shoemacker's films were. It didn't work, it was poorly made, it was just unnessecary confusing crap that thankfully was ditched for the sequel. And wasn't the film supposed to be about Batman to an extent that it shot itself further in the foot by giving the film a poor villian( A ninja? What happened to hyper-realism? Why is he irish? And he used to be Batman's mentor who was thought to be dead but was actually alive and was quite lunatic? Is this some poor anime, a wushu flick or a Cartoon Network show taking itself too seriously? Who thought of this plot? Did anyone think this is material to be taken seriously?) and an underused one? Why suddenly focus on the criminals or how they feel? Why not just focus on Batman and give us a coherent view of this skill of his?

I think Batman Begins would have beeen just better if it focused much more on Scarecrow and the eerily familiar gas plot, it would have made it more ineteresting.

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All improved but some do get boringly wrong. The best, for me, is the skill seen in the heist at the start. After that I already felt it was a dramatic improvement on Batman Begins.



I loved them, for the exception of the final two which were good enough but disappointing as final showdowns.

I thought the heist was brillaint, confuses you with the events going on and didn't let go. The car chase in the middle is propably my favourite. If not only for the build up. The deserted streets, the blown up tanker, building everything up nicely, the closed chase in the tunnel, the destruction of the helicopter, the kinda-duel between Joker and Batman, it was great fun. And most importanly that monstrousity of a Tumbler goes destroyed. YAY!!!


Does the final duel between Pacino and Robbins in Insomnia count as an action sequence? That was fantastic.




Dantes Inferno -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (15/1/2009 6:48:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Deviation

A ninja?


Yeah, why would a guy who fights in the shadows, using stealth to his advantage and is dressed in black have ninja training? That's like a police having gone to police academy, which is just wrong.




Mikaboshi -> RE: Chris Nolan. can he be considerded as one of Britians best dircters (15/1/2009 9:06:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dantes Inferno

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ORIGINAL: Deviation

A ninja?


Yeah, why would a guy who fights in the shadows, using stealth to his advantage and is dressed in black have ninja training? That's like a police having gone to police academy, which is just wrong.


Indeed, I really can't understand this gripe he has with the ninjas in Batman Begins.




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