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MOTH -> RE: Thanks... (24/10/2008 1:48:22 PM)

Peter Greenaway is the only man for the Bond job. The next one could be called Two Noughts and a Seven.




Monkeyshaver -> RE: Thanks... (24/10/2008 2:48:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MOTH

Peter Greenaway is the only man for the Bond job. The next one could be called Two Noughts and a Seven.

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In an aside on a similar theme I always wanted Mike Leigh to do the sequel to True Lies. Secrets & True Lies!




pitchender -> "The Dark Knight of the James Bond movies." WTF? (27/10/2008 3:01:56 PM)

Could Empire have a less original description to carry Quantum Of Solace into the cinemas? No doubt about it: The Dark Knight was a masterstroke in cinema; best movie this year...but must we hear about it in every conceivable context? You could argue that the comparison is warranted, even inevitable. But I doubt QOS is as good as The Dark Knight. So let's not devalue it by comparing a dark odyssey into the soul with one man's wining and dining efforts in the med...




Missile Truck -> RE: "The Dark Knight of the James Bond movies." WTF? (28/10/2008 12:49:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pitchender
...a dark odyssey into the soul...


Oh. My. God. 

King of the Emo's.




mafyou -> RE: "The Dark Knight of the James Bond movies." WTF? (29/10/2008 12:01:26 AM)

Just saw Jonathan Ross' Film 2008 Special. I'm obviously going to go but I keep hearing mixed things. Part of me thinks Part II will make more sense with Part III in this story. But hey, the action looks quality, don't it? Hopefully I will see it sometime this weekend.




Private Hudson -> I want the FANTASTICAL Bond to return (29/10/2008 1:03:14 AM)

Please, please, please DON'T make the mistake they made in the Timothy Dalton era and in fact with Casino Royale...

Bond belongs to his own genre (he is not action, spy or thriller).

As for Bourne... FCUK Bourne. I want fantastical plots with gadgets, girls and guns.

That is 007.

Leave the real stuff to other films. We want the escapism of Bond.

And as for all this Fleming crap... it was the genius and inspiration of the movies that really made James Bond and not the Fleming book version.

I think it is a mistake to have Bond behave like the books.

Bond should be suave, debonair and above all... a good guy who kills only killers and on Government orders.

We sometimes need black and white rather than shades of grey which all the critics seem to love.

Give me a car that can go underwater anyday.




Private Hudson -> RE: Thanks... (29/10/2008 1:17:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mightyhypnotoad

It  never ceases to amaize me how many people are still clamouring for a return to the gadget driven, innuendo laden Roger Moore era Bond movies. These same people don't seem to realise that Moore's teniorship as Bond relied so heavily on those tired plot contrivances because he was already too old (and sleasy for my liking) to be Bond by the time he got his Debut in Live and Let Die in '73. Roger Moore single handedly reduced the spy thriller genre to a bad joke. What gaulls me even more was the reaction when Tim Dalton tried to embue Bonds flagging popularity with some much needed respectability. By reintroducing grit and a general ruthless bastardness to Bond (a road that Craig has pretty much followed) he got eaten alive (rather unjustly) by the fans who had become so placated by ridiculous special effects and bimbo's with bed me names, they had no idea what Bond was supposed to represent anymore. Bring on the darkness bring on the gloom and keep us yearning for our Quantum of Solace.


WTF are you talking about?

PANTS that's what.

First of all Bond is not a spy thriller!!! As someone mentioned in a review for Goldfinger which sums up Bond for me, Bond is a genre of its own.

Even though Roger Moore was older than Connery people thought he brought a youthful charm to his early movies and in my opinion The Man With the Golden Gun is one of the very best Bonds as it has the right balance of wit, gadgets, beautiful locations, fab women and a great villain. Also it is the last Bond movie that the henchman turns up after the main villain has been despatched to fight 007. Something that we used to look forward to as tradition, so perhaps they could bring that back.

Roger Moore was a great Bond. He had the style, debonair and was suave. Yes it was fun but for feck's sake it is entertainment.

Octopussy is often slagged but for me it is a pantomime-like movie that actually is hugely enjoyable if you let yourself into the FILM world of Bond.

I believe as someone else did here that the books and films are two different incarnations and the films are far superior to anything Fleming ever wrote.

Bond is not Bourne and thank God for that.

When I was a wee lad I didn't dream of being a spy in a John Le Carre novel.

I wanted to be driving cars that went underwater and romanced lovelies on a beach in the Bahamas, drinking martinis in the afternoon, while wearing a tux in 100 degree heat.

THAT is Bond.

BTW Moore did go back to basics with For Your Eyes Only and that was quite good but the best Bond movie and surely the template to follow is The Spy Who Loved Me. Total first class hokum and entertainment.

Also Dalton's Living Daylights is one of the very worst Bond movies, yet Licence to Kill is actually one of the very best. I liked Dalton, but I think they have went further with Craig. Casino Royale was okay but it was all over the place and was pretty anti-climactic. FFS Bond didn't even get to kill Le Chiffre (take liberties with the books lads).

I put it to you that the criticisms you have levelled at the old Bonds (gadgets, funny female names etc) are actually the strengths of 007 and the elements that make Bond so very different from anything else in cinema.

C'mon 007 we ARE expecting the real Bond to turn up.




Private Hudson -> RE: Thanks... (29/10/2008 1:22:02 AM)

Also ditch that idiot David Arnold and get John Barry back no matter how much dough he wants.
Arnold's scores with the exception of TND have been very poor.

And don't even start me with the songs.

TND and TWINE were almost exact copies of each other (K D Lang's Surrender was better than both and in fact co-written by Arnold) and DAD was the worst Bond song ever, closely followed by this new one.

You Know My Name was the best one since GoldenEye which was keeping with the spirit of Bond.

Bring back the music!!!




darth silas -> RE: I want the FANTASTICAL Bond to return (29/10/2008 1:23:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

Please, please, please DON'T make the mistake they made in the Timothy Dalton era and in fact with Casino Royale...

Bond belongs to his own genre (he is not action, spy or thriller).

As for Bourne... FCUK Bourne. I want fantastical plots with gadgets, girls and guns.

That is 007.

Leave the real stuff to other films. We want the escapism of Bond.

And as for all this Fleming crap... it was the genius and inspiration of the movies that really made James Bond and not the Fleming book version.

I think it is a mistake to have Bond behave like the books.

Bond should be suave, debonair and above all... a good guy who kills only killers and on Government orders.

We sometimes need black and white rather than shades of grey which all the critics seem to love.

Give me a car that can go underwater anyday.
Nail on the head there buddy.Enough of this blonde haired imposter! I want the REAL James Bond back and for them to make REAL James Bond movies again.




Private Hudson -> RE: Thanks... (29/10/2008 1:32:09 AM)

THE JAMES BOND 007 CHECKLIST

Gunbarrel Opening

Pre-title sequence resulting in a miraculous (gadget aided) escape

A brassy theme song

Sexy Main Titles

Moneypenny banter

M briefing (What do you know about... - Bond gives encylopaedic knowledge)

Q-branch "Pay attention 007"

Glamourous locations

Bond helped by a foe (Zhukovsky in both GE & TWINE)

a Casino scene

Walther PPK

Bond in a black tuxedo

"The name's Bond... James Bond"

Bond perhaps wearing his Commander naval uniform

"Vodka martini. Shaken not stirred"

Supervillain

Henchmen

Bond beating the Supervillain at some game (fencing, horseriding, poker etc)

Felix Leitter or another CIA helper

Despicable Plot to blow up the world

Bond Girl who dies (the sacrificial lamb)

Bond Girl who is 007's equal

Sharks or piranah

Supervillain disposes of a minion in a gruesome manner for betraying him

Car chase with a twist

a Train fight

Bond doing something Bondesque with something hopeless (like driving a 2CV and outwitting the bad guys)

Bond being captured and left for dead but escaping

Bond quips

A few Bond innuendos

For the climactic fight, Bond is dressed all in black like in Connery's days

Bond v Supervillain

a Countdown clock that stops in time (or even at 007)

Blowing up the Supervillain's lair

Bond v Henchman after destruction of lair

Bond and Bond Girl being discovered by the authorities only to escape again!

Final Bond quip ("Keeping the British end up")




darth silas -> RE: I want the FANTASTICAL Bond to return (29/10/2008 1:41:17 AM)

 Just saw Mark Kermodes review of QOS on youtube.He describes the film as ''Like watching a Jason statham movie''.Ouch!




Private Hudson -> RE: I want the FANTASTICAL Bond to return (29/10/2008 1:51:36 AM)

I know, that's what I am worried about.

All this pandering to the PC brigade ends up diluting Bond. Removing what made it unique.

Yes we know it is fantastical and escapism, but that's why it was successful.

Every Bond movie should have a Bond moment - and by that I mean something that happens in it that is just so brilliant that makes you think: "Only James Bond could do that"

i.e.

ejector seat in Goldfinger
ninjas in a volcano lair in You Only Live Twice
the croc jump in Live and Let Die (or the double decker bus/low bridge)
the car roll in The Man with the Golden Gun
the Lotus underwater in Spy Who Loved Me
sliding down the bannister shooting the bad guys in Octopussy
the underwater to plane escape in Licence to Kill (the tanker wheelie was good too!!!)
the tank chase in Goldeneye

there are more but that's all I can think of just now.




matty_b -> RE: I want the FANTASTICAL Bond to return (29/10/2008 8:20:43 AM)

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C'mon 007 we ARE expecting the real Bond to turn up.


How every arrogant of you to say that everyone wants the same thing in a Bond film. Some people like the hard edged, tough feel of Casino Royale. Some people want the escapism of a Moonraker or You Only Live Twice. And then some people, can enjoy both aspects as long as it's a well made film. Crazy, isn't it?

And for those who want nothing more than a rote and predictable reiteration of a whole list of elements seen countless times before, so they can nod along in open-mouthed pleasure and hoot like they've never heard or seen it a hundred times before - well there's nearly 20 films that do that for you.

quote:

The Man With the Golden Gun is one of the very best Bonds as it has the right balance of wit, gadgets, beautiful locations, fab women and a great villain.   


IMO, aside from Christopher Lee's great performance, TMWTGG, is one of the absolute worst. Dull, lacklustre, utterly cheap - all the laziest elements of Bond recycled in the laziest manner possible.




Monkeyshaver -> RE: Thanks... (29/10/2008 9:47:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Casino Royale is nothing like Borune. And this is coming from someone who loves both.

QOS will be seeing as the powers that be hired the same 2nd unit director who worked on the Bourne movies, not that they are influenced by them at all!!




Sweepy Reg -> Kermode is right: “It’s a mess.” (29/10/2008 10:33:43 AM)


After the last comment, I went and checked out Mark Kermode’s Youtube review of Quantum of Solace. I saw Quantum of Solace last Saturday and have to say that Kermode’s review is spot on. Forget Empire’s typically ludicrously overrated review, Quantum of Solace is an absolute mess. Forget Indy 4, THIS is this year's biggest disappointment. A monumental failure to reboot the Bond series, all this actually does is confirm that the wonderful Casino Royale was a complete fluke. They had an incredible opportunity to do something amazing yet failed on every account. I'm not going to go into specifics but mentioning Le Chiffre a few times does not make this a sequel. Awfully written, terribly directed, zero story. As misfires go, this is spectacular. As a Bond fan, I am gutted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_BfEoFFNqo




Rgirvan44 -> RE: Thanks... (29/10/2008 10:41:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

THE JAMES BOND 007 CHECKLIST

Gunbarrel Opening

Pre-title sequence resulting in a miraculous (gadget aided) escape

A brassy theme song

Sexy Main Titles

Moneypenny banter

M briefing (What do you know about... - Bond gives encylopaedic knowledge)

Q-branch "Pay attention 007"

Glamourous locations

Bond helped by a foe (Zhukovsky in both GE & TWINE)

a Casino scene

Walther PPK

Bond in a black tuxedo

"The name's Bond... James Bond"

Bond perhaps wearing his Commander naval uniform

"Vodka martini. Shaken not stirred"

Supervillain

Henchmen

Bond beating the Supervillain at some game (fencing, horseriding, poker etc)

Felix Leitter or another CIA helper

Despicable Plot to blow up the world

Bond Girl who dies (the sacrificial lamb)

Bond Girl who is 007's equal

Sharks or piranah

Supervillain disposes of a minion in a gruesome manner for betraying him

Car chase with a twist

a Train fight

Bond doing something Bondesque with something hopeless (like driving a 2CV and outwitting the bad guys)

Bond being captured and left for dead but escaping

Bond quips

A few Bond innuendos

For the climactic fight, Bond is dressed all in black like in Connery's days

Bond v Supervillain

a Countdown clock that stops in time (or even at 007)

Blowing up the Supervillain's lair

Bond v Henchman after destruction of lair

Bond and Bond Girl being discovered by the authorities only to escape again!

Final Bond quip ("Keeping the British end up")


But you already have plenty of Bond films that do this. Why do you need another one?




MOTH -> RE: Kermode is right: “It’s a mess.” (29/10/2008 12:56:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sweepy Reg


After the last comment, I went and checked out Mark Kermode’s Youtube review of Quantum of Solace. I saw Quantum of Solace last Saturday and have to say that Kermode’s review is spot on. Forget Empire’s typically ludicrously overrated review, Quantum of Solace is an absolute mess. Forget Indy 4, THIS is this year's biggest disappointment. A monumental failure to reboot the Bond series, all this actually does is confirm that the wonderful Casino Royale was a complete fluke. They had an incredible opportunity to do something amazing yet failed on every account. I'm not going to go into specifics but mentioning Le Chiffre a few times does not make this a sequel. Awfully written, terribly directed, zero story. As misfires go, this is spectacular. As a Bond fan, I am gutted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_BfEoFFNqo



I laughed at them calling it Question of Sport. Then I had a vision of Sue Barker emerging from the sea in a bikini. That stopped me laughing I can tell you. 




Clarence_Worley -> RE: Kermode is right: “It’s a mess.” (29/10/2008 3:06:27 PM)

Why are people so offended by the direction the new Bond's are taking? People cry for gadgets, audacious villain hide-outs etc... we got all that in Die Another Day, and quite frankly, that was gash. DAD attempted to take Bond back to these elements and failed very badly. Its all well and good having the classic Bonds having the ridiculous gadgets etc, but to pull all that off in a film of today is extremely difficult without coming out like the dross that was DAD.

And Kermode just seems like he is attacking the film for the sake of it. Im resigned to seeing a film not as good as Casino Royale, but the amount of bile in this forum is ridiculous.




Monkeyshaver -> RE: Kermode is right: “It’s a mess.” (29/10/2008 3:09:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Clarence_Worley

Why are people so offended by the direction the new Bond's are taking? People cry for gadgets, audacious villain hide-outs etc... we got all that in Die Another Day, and quite frankly, that was gash. DAD attempted to take Bond back to these elements and failed very badly.


No it didn't, all the films had been doing this since Goldeneye restarted the franchise! In fact only a couple of movies have not stuck to this winning formula! & those movies are the shit ones!!




directorscut -> RE: Kermode is right: “It’s a mess.” (29/10/2008 3:11:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Clarence_Worley

Why are people so offended by the direction the new Bond's are taking? People cry for gadgets, audacious villain hide-outs etc... we got all that in Die Another Day, and quite frankly, that was gash. DAD attempted to take Bond back to these elements and failed very badly. Its all well and good having the classic Bonds having the ridiculous gadgets etc, but to pull all that off in a film of today is extremely difficult without coming out like the dross that was DAD.

And Kermode just seems like he is attacking the film for the sake of it. Im resigned to seeing a film not as good as Casino Royale, but the amount of bile in this forum is ridiculous.



We also get them in Goldfinger and The Spy Who Loved Me which are two of the best Bond films ever made.

Just because Die Another Day was not great does not mean the formula cannot be great.


As for Mojo's Bond checklist, the only item on my checklist is "fun" and Casino Royale was not fun (for me).




Timon -> RE: Kermode is right: “It’s a mess.” (29/10/2008 3:15:14 PM)

You're all forgetting one thing - Austin Powers.

This is the main reason why the Bond films can't go back to the gadget-laiden, overblown, campery as the Austin Powers films showed them up for what they were and that's simply a product of their time.

Times have moved on and Bond has to too. It's as simple as that.




jamesbondguy -> RE: I want the FANTASTICAL Bond to return (29/10/2008 3:15:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson



All this pandering to the PC brigade ends up diluting Bond.



[&:]




Monkeyshaver -> RE: Kermode is right: “It’s a mess.” (29/10/2008 3:19:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon

Times have moved on and Bond has to too. It's as simple as that.

Yes, by moving backwards to books written half a century ago!!!![sm=34.gif]




Timon -> RE: Kermode is right: “It’s a mess.” (29/10/2008 3:19:49 PM)

When something gets lost in translation, go back to the source material.




Woger -> RE: I want the FANTASTICAL Bond to return (29/10/2008 3:23:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jamesbondguy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Private Hudson



All this pandering to the PC brigade ends up diluting Bond.



[&:]


The Apple i-Pod brigade these days.




Monkeyshaver -> RE: Kermode is right: “It’s a mess.” (29/10/2008 3:25:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon

When something gets lost in translation, go back to the source material.

Then I hope Quantum of Solace is a faithful version of the source material. Bond at a diner party!!! Can't wait!!!




lbiu -> RE: I want the FANTASTICAL Bond to return (29/10/2008 5:50:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jamesbondguy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Private Hudson



All this pandering to the PC brigade ends up diluting Bond.



[&:]


It seems to be the new buzz phrase[:D]




darth silas -> RE: Kermode is right: “It’s a mess.” (29/10/2008 7:44:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon

You're all forgetting one thing - Austin Powers.

This is the main reason why the Bond films can't go back to the gadget-laiden, overblown, campery as the Austin Powers films showed them up for what they were and that's simply a product of their time.

Times have moved on and Bond has to too. It's as simple as that.
Austin powers was a fad which has died along with Mike Myers career.

There have been plenty of Bond spoofs over the years.Didnt mean that the producers were ashamed of a formula that has worked for over 40 years.Until now of course.




Emyr Thy King -> RE: Kermode is right: “It’s a mess.” (29/10/2008 8:08:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: darth silas
There have been plenty of Bond spoofs over the years.Didnt mean that the producers were ashamed of a formula that has worked for over 40 years.Until now of course.


In my view it isn't a question of the film makers exhibting feelings of discountenance, rather perhaps the 40 year formula started to become stale and vapid. For those that are nostalgic towards the gadget and lubricious strewn buffoonery of bygone years, perhaps they should console themselves with the large collection of James Bond films (bar Timothy Dalton's efforts) that have such fare in abundance.

Of course the now trite assertion that the latest Bond films are heavily lacerated with Jason Bourne style crash, bang whallops always materialise when the style of the Daniel Craig films are criticised (Dan Bradley was the second unit director for Quantum of Solace). This is something that doesn't perturb me and I do feel that the Bond franchise can retain this element yet expand on Bond's personality (suaveness, charm, debonaire etc) and utilise a 'Q' character/section in a functional and practical fashion, rather than for widget pornography.




richCie -> RE: Kermode is right: “It’s a mess.” (29/10/2008 8:11:38 PM)

IMO CR was the best Bond movie full stop. When i was a kid i like all the gadgets and stuff but i've outgrown that now. Sure CR had a number of flaws (end scene in sinking house, OTT product placement) but i enjoyed it while it lasted and i've got high hopes for the new movie.

It ain't Bourne either by and strecth of the imagination, Bond is definately a lot cooler and has a very differetn style, just because the action is now more realistic like Bourne doesnt suddenly mean we're watching a carbon copy.




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