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evil bill -> LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (1/5/2008 8:27:02 PM)

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LUCIO FULCI born June 17th 1927-died 13th March 1996.
He got the title of Godfather of Gore for movie's like Zombi 2(Zombie Flesh Eaters),which got him noticed around the world.There was also White Fang,The Beyond,City Of The Dead etc.He was king of the video nasties of the 1980's as this was the only way most of us got to see this brilliant but bizarre director of Italian horror.Underrated by some as he was caught in the shadow of Dario Argento,but he stood out with his own brand of Italian Horror,more low brow than Argentos movies.Yet they are now cult classics,and still stand out from the new wave of horror as masterpieces,visually stunning,with breath taking gore,touches of black humor(IE; zombie attacking shark in Zombie Flesh Eaters).He was also an Actor and Screenwriter,he also did gore effects,and on Argentos INFERNO he helped with the script and did some of the gore effects,uncredited,and wrote the screenplay for THE WAX MASK for Dario Argento to produce.One of his most famous banned movies is The New York Ripper,which still to this day has never been released completely uncut,in both the UK and the US.The most complete version has just been released by Blue Underground at 93 minutes,but the true running time is 96 minutes.Anyway even this version is hard to stomach at times,he's not one for leaving things to your imagination.So whats your thoughts on this sadly missed King of the gore fest,and post any reviews of his various movies you've seen.Any questions I'll try to honestly answer,just like on the Argento thread,so this thread is now all yours horror fans.




Dr Lenera -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (1/5/2008 9:46:44 PM)

You started the thread before I did Bill!  Seriously,Fulci is a really neglected filmmaker,he's best known for his wierd,bloody horror movies of the early 80s,but he did films in many genres-however,they usually still have a bit of graphic violence in there somewhere!  When I was first getting into horror movies you couldn't see many Fulci movies uncut,so I had to get dodgy,poor quality illegal copies!   I have a great many of his movies in this form and am just starting to get into his films again and upgrade them to DVDs  [though of course I got DVDs of his classic zombie films ages ago!].  I've just watched The New York Ripper and will follow with review.




paul.mccluskey -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (1/5/2008 9:51:35 PM)

Not seen any of his films, but I realise that he has had an impact on the modern horror directors who make splatter flicks.  Eli Roth worships him.

The majority of his films were released by Vipco, some of them albeit cut.




Dr Lenera -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (1/5/2008 10:24:44 PM)

THE NEW YORK RIPPER
In New York, somebody is gorily killing off young,sexually active young women.  Lieutenant Williams, who is often taunted on the phone by the duck voiced killer, enlists the help of a chess playing professor, Dr Davis, to help him catch the maniac.  When a young woman, Fay, is menaced in the underground by a two fingered gigolo, Mikos, Williams thinks he has his man.  Then Mikos turns up dead with a polystyrene bag over his head and Williams reveives a phonecall from the duck voiced psychopath, saying he has William's girlfriend .......


The New York Ripper is an extremely controversial movie,especially in the UK.  When the film came to the BBFC in 1981, they thought it was so horrid they had the print escorted out of the country by armed guards.  Mind you,the distirbutors didn't help themselves with their poster which announced  FULVIA FILM PROUDLY PRESENTS-THE NEW YORK RIPPER-SLASHING UP WOMEN WAS HIS PLEASURE!   It was never released in any form in the UK until a couple of years ago and it's still cut!

Well,is it actually any good?   It's not really one of Fulci's best films like The Beyond or A Lizard In A Woman's Skin, but is still a cut above exploitation slashers of the time and certainly more interesting.  Fulci always has a really cynical view of humanity and it comes through in this movie more than any others.  None of the characters are especially likeable, even the supposed heroine [who,in a typical Fulci quirk,isn't introduced until half way through], and they all seem to have their sordid little secrets.  The cop 'hero' is so dislikeable that when the Ripper has his hooker girlfriend, he seems more bothered about his colleagues finding out he was seeing this woman rather than her getting murdered.  This, the film's enveloping sleaze,and Fulci's adoption of a more realistic style than, say, Dario Argento, means that the film isn't always that enjoyable but it's fascinating and does have some great set pieces such as an almost surreal nightmare scene in a cinema and a truly queasy suspense sequence when a woman wakes up to find herself tied to a bed by the killer. The numerous exterior Big Apple shots almost make you believe the whole film was shot there and Jack Hedley give one of the best performances by a lead in a Fulci movie, he's a great hard boiled, cynical hero straight out of a film noir.

As for the violence, well, Fulci has actually made bloodier films but usually they were more fantastical.  New York Ripper's more realistic feel makes the brutality nastier. The slashings are disturbingly realistic,and although a bottle up the crotch moment is thankfully shown in half light, the [often cut]  scene where the Ripper razors a woman's breast and eye while she is tied up really is hard to watch. As he often did, Fulci just goes that one step further, with the really disturbing touch of her boyfriend being able to hear her screams on the phone.  And this is without mentioning the toe rape scene  [my wife actually watched this one with me and found that scene the worst!].  I wouldn't say the film is that misogynist really -the men are as 'dirty' as the women and the more lasting impression is that is a city drowning under it's own filth and grime.

Despite all the cynicism, the violence and the sordidness, New York Ripper does end quite movingly,with a literal cry for help.  It has some silly aspects,such as the explanation for the killer's motive  ["somehow the duck snapped in his mind"],and as often in film by this director, the film slows down when it should maybe be speeding up?  I also don't think the 'Rocky' style theme music fits but that was probably the idea.  As said, it isn't especially entertaining,but is still essential viewing for horror and exploitation cinema fans.
7/10




Lydia_H -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (2/5/2008 1:28:07 AM)

Great director [:)] The Beyond is one of my favourite horror films ...

I want to see many more of his films though, maybe I'll start with The New York Ripper




evil bill -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (2/5/2008 11:54:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lydia_H

Great director [:)] The Beyond is one of my favourite horror films ...

I want to see many more of his films though, maybe I'll start with The New York Ripper


One of my favoritie zombie/horror movies of all time,here's the review i posted elsewhere a while ago and updated.
 
THE BEYOND            (Lucio Fulci, 1981)

[image]http://www.flipsidemovies.com/images/beyondpic1.jpg[/image]
 [image]http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/421/thebeyondbloodexplosiongn2.jpg[/image]

A young woman from New York inherits an old hotel on the edge of a Louisiana swamp, unaware that it served as the gateway to hell more than fifty years ago. Her dream is to build a new life for herself, but this turns into a nightmare as the evil still lives and horror's straight out of H.P.Lovecraft's book of Eibon lay claim to her very soul and those around her. Hell's gateway is open and the dead are it's puppets.
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[sm=worship.gif]This is one of the greatest Zombie movies ever made, it is full on horror movie with no let up or humour to give you release from its terrifying grip. It is without doubt Lucio Fulci's best film and an Italian horror masterpiece with a truly dark gothic atmosphere. It has that feel of a bizarre H P Lovcraft story feel to it and of course the gore comes thick and fast, with some standout set pieces, like a child zombie having half its head blown away. And the opening shot of enraged locals going to the hotel years earlyer,to stop the owner opening the gate's of hell,they nail him to the wall then pour acid over him. A blind girl called Emily(Cinzia Monreale) attacked by her guide dog which rips open her throat,(very similar to the scene in SUSPIRIA).But this is all the more shocking because of the build up and the actresses chilling performance as the blind girl with the white eyes,she is not a menacing spectra but a sympathetic figure we wish to know more about.THis is one of those horror movies i can't fault,it's so well directed full of images that stick i your mind.And one brillant script by Dardano Sacchetti who also wrote New York Ripper,City Of The Dead,for Fulci and also wrote Demons for Dario Argento. 
His vision of Hell in this movie is the most disturbing ever put to film and has no equal in any film ever past or present. The music score by Fabio Frizzi is outstanding and also chilling, his all time best,he also had done other score's for films of Fulci, including House By The Cemetery. Which with the movie Gates Of Hell make's up a sort of trilogy and are also his best gothic/shock horror movies, and i do mean SHOCK!!!This is a must see movie for any true horror fan or those who just love well made strange movies,and the version i have is the uncut 89 minites,so make sure you get this version from Anchor Bay,before it's gone for ever.Sweet Nightmares!!![sm=evilgrin27.gif]




Dr Lenera -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (5/5/2008 9:32:35 PM)

Can't agree with you more on The Beyond.  In an effort to prevent this thread going the way of the Mario Bava one  [and cos I'm off work with a twisted ankle and can't do much!]   ,I'm gonna review the other three Fulci films I recieved soon.




Lydia_H -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (6/5/2008 1:00:53 AM)

Great review, Bill [sm=happy34.gif] The Beyond is my favourite Zombie film ever too.

I even think that scene with the Tarantula's is great [:D] Although it's charming and cute more than anything [8D]




jermreen -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (6/5/2008 4:40:42 PM)

Yes Lucio Fulci was a sick demented old bat but his films spoke volumns. Zombie Flesh Eaters and The Beyond are quite masterful pieces of horror that I proudly own on DVD. Is it true that Mr Fulci was a bit bonkers or was that Dario Argento I'm getting mixed up? Unfortunately I cant seem to purchase Fulci's other titles but does anyone have any suggestions as to what are his top 5 films?
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evil bill -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (6/5/2008 8:27:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jermreen

Yes Lucio Fulci was a sick demented old bat but his films spoke volumns. Zombie Flesh Eaters and The Beyond are quite masterful pieces of horror that I proudly own on DVD. Is it true that Mr Fulci was a bit bonkers or was that Dario Argento I'm getting mixed up? Unfortunately I cant seem to purchase Fulci's other titles but does anyone have any suggestions as to what are his top 5 films?
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Lucio was counted as a bit of a tyrant on set,and was blamed for driving his wife to suicide,but others in the movie business have called him a lovable honest director with a great sense of fun.Try this link for more info http://www.shockingimages.com/fulci/menu.html and the movies i have seen and loved in order of favorite first;
1/The Beyond
2/Zombie Flesh Eaters-(Zombi 2)
3/House By The Cemetery
4/City Of The Living dead-(Gates Of Hell)
5/New York Ripper
6/The Black Cat
7/Don't Tortue A Duckling
Seen these all years ago on good old VHS but now own the first three on DVD,hoping to get the rest and some others i hav'nt seen as well.Don't Tortue A Duckling may sound like a comdey,but you'd be very wrong to watch with mother or kids,a real nasty galio thriller that nearly had him blacklisted in Italy and beyond.I hav'nt listed Zombie Flesh Eaters 2 as i did'nt think it was up to much first time i saw it some years ago.

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 Dr Lenera 
Can't agree with you more on The Beyond.  In an effort to prevent this thread going the way of the Mario Bava one  [and cos I'm off work with a twisted ankle and can't do much!]   ,I'm gonna review the other three Fulci films I recieved soon.

Excellent mate Lucio Fulci needs some love,and this is the thread for it,so hopfully we can keep it on the rails.[;)]

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 Lydia-H 
Great review, Bill [sm=happy34.gif] The Beyond is my favourite Zombie film ever too.

I even think that scene with the Tarantula's is great [:D] Although it's charming and cute more than anything [8D]

Thank's one and all,and yes that scene is a bit to cute[:D]but then he did have a sense of humour,and made a couple of comdeys in his early career,also a couple of westrens belive it or not.I'd recomend any of the seven films i've listed,and if you want somthing really different/contervisal try Don't Tortue A Duckling,been a while but i do remmber it caused a stink.???




Dr Lenera -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (6/5/2008 9:07:37 PM)

A LIZARD IN A WOMAN'S SKIN
Carol is the daughter of a wealthy politician and is married to a rich lawyer-she would seem to have it made,but she keeps having disturbing hallucinations and wierd dreams involving her neighbour Julia,whose swinging parties and decadent lifestyle both infuriate and excite her. During one of these Carol has a lesbian encounter with Julia which is witnessed by two hippies and then stabs her to death. The folllowing day Julia is found murdered.  Did Carol do it,or did someone frame her?  As one of the hippies starts to stalk Carol,Inspector Corving tries to piece together what really happened......


The huge success of Dario Argento's The Bird With The Crystal Plumage led to a great number of Giallos with similar titles, and this fairly early effort by Lucio Fulci, which was his first film to recieve fairly wide international distribution  [in the US it was retitled Schizoid and heavily cut, with dialogue and extreme material alike being haphazardly removed], is one of the best. It actually isn't much like Argento's film at all, and Fulci would often get rightfully annoyed when people claimed he was copying the other director. For a start there's only one killing and far more emphasis is placed on the actual detection, plus the script, which Fulci co-wrote with two others, does end up making total sense!

Perhape more than anything else a police mystery, it has a rather dark but slightly satirical view of early 70s Swinging London which is very interesting. There are several dream sequences and hallucinations featuring some very erotic and disturbing images-one memorable bit features members of Carol's family sitting at a table all distorted looking like a Francis Bacon painting,with one guy's guts spilling out onto his lap!  Another sequence featuring dogs cut open was so realistic for the time that Fulci and his special effects man Carlo Rambaldi [a far cry from E.T. for him!]were taken to court in Italy as it was thought they had cut open real dogs! There's also a terrific stalking sequence and chase which approaches Alfred Hitchcock in quality, with the tension superbly maintained, while some dialogue scenes happen to have really odd camera setups. Fulci's style is generally less flashy than Argento's, but he still does very interesting things with stuff like angles, editing etc.

Some of the police procedural scenes are rather dull-obviously these were thought essential to the plot and maybe they are, but they do slow things down rather a lot.  Also considered a flaw might be the way the film doesn't end with a climax but a low key finale,as Stanley Baker's detective works everything out.  I rather like it, it's different and unusual, but it may disappoint some. The performances though are all fine with a particularly good one from Florinda Bolkan as Carol,and Ennio Morricone contributes a typically wierd, inventice and sometimes downright trippy score which really adds to the film.

The current R1 DVD varies in picture quality as they've had to piece together a complete version from various sources, and supposedly twenty seconds are still missing. Nevertheless,A Lizard In A Woman's Skin is an interesting thriller and shows Fulci wasn't just good at Zombie and Slasher movies. Until he became typecast as a master of gory horror, he was actually a jack of all trades but was usually able to apply his personality into his movies.  Although there had been violence before in a few films like Beatrice Cenci, this film was actually the first of his films to have horrific elements.  I also think Argento's The Stendahl Syndrome was influenced by this movie,and therefore it can be recommended just for that!
8/10




DAVID GILLESPIE -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (7/5/2008 12:32:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: evil bill

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lydia_H

Great director [:)] The Beyond is one of my favourite horror films ...

I want to see many more of his films though, maybe I'll start with The New York Ripper


One of my favoritie zombie/horror movies of all time,here's the review i posted elsewhere a while ago and updated.
 
THE BEYOND            (Lucio Fulci, 1981)

[image]http://www.flipsidemovies.com/images/beyondpic1.jpg[/image]
 [image]http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/421/thebeyondbloodexplosiongn2.jpg[/image]

A young woman from New York inherits an old hotel on the edge of a Louisiana swamp, unaware that it served as the gateway to hell more than fifty years ago. Her dream is to build a new life for herself, but this turns into a nightmare as the evil still lives and horror's straight out of H.P.Lovecraft's book of Eibon lay claim to her very soul and those around her. Hell's gateway is open and the dead are it's puppets.
[image]http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5625/beyondshot2lli8.jpg[/image]

[sm=worship.gif]This is one of the greatest Zombie movies ever made, it is full on horror movie with no let up or humour to give you release from its terrifying grip. It is without doubt Lucio Fulci's best film and an Italian horror masterpiece with a truly dark gothic atmosphere. It has that feel of a bizarre H P Lovcraft story feel to it and of course the gore comes thick and fast, with some standout set pieces, like a child zombie having half its head blown away. And the opening shot of enraged locals going to the hotel years earlyer,to stop the owner opening the gate's of hell,they nail him to the wall then pour acid over him. A blind girl called Emily(Cinzia Monreale) attacked by her guide dog which rips open her throat,(very similar to the scene in SUSPIRIA).But this is all the more shocking because of the build up and the actresses chilling performance as the blind girl with the white eyes,she is not a menacing spectra but a sympathetic figure we wish to know more about.THis is one of those horror movies i can't fault,it's so well directed full of images that stick i your mind.And one brillant script by Dardano Sacchetti who also wrote New York Ripper,City Of The Dead,for Fulci and also wrote Demons for Dario Argento. 
His vision of Hell in this movie is the most disturbing ever put to film and has no equal in any film ever past or present. The music score by Fabio Frizzi is outstanding and also chilling, his all time best,he also had done other score's for films of Fulci, including House By The Cemetery. Which with the movie Gates Of Hell make's up a sort of trilogy and are also his best gothic/shock horror movies, and i do mean SHOCK!!!This is a must see movie for any true horror fan or those who just love well made strange movies,and the version i have is the uncut 89 minites,so make sure you get this version from Anchor Bay,before it's gone for ever.Sweet Nightmares!!![sm=evilgrin27.gif]


I'm ashamed to say I still have not seen this. I think I have resisted due to the fact I would presume the copies on offer in the UK have huge cuts out of them? What is the best version out there to get legally?




Dr Lenera -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (7/5/2008 12:39:57 PM)

I think the UK DVD is now uncut,perhaps Bill can confirm..........




Angelus -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (7/5/2008 3:39:59 PM)

According to the IMDb and the BBFC website, it's uncut.




evil bill -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (7/5/2008 8:12:23 PM)

It has been released uncut since 2001 and you can get the 83 mintie version from Amazon it's by VIPCO who are no longer trading,it's not a bad copy for 4.95 it's just it's picture and sound are not up to the Anchor Bay version,i still have it though.And also have the 89 mintie version from Another World DVD,Zombie Series it's Danish but in the English language,with full dolby digtal sound and full widescreen fully remastered like the Anchor Bay version.But unlike Anchor Bay it did'nt cost 24.00 only 12.99,but i see it's not avaible at present[:@],the extra minties are mainly story not gore[;)]




fernetcontonica -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (7/5/2008 10:06:54 PM)

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Amazing, the beyond has become one of my favourite horrors, and If there was a disturbing movie that got stuck in my mind for years it've been The House by the Cementery. I remember when I first watched, alone and having around eight, I stopped it after the opening scenen and  went get my cousin cause he had to see that  [image]http://www.empireonline.com/forum/image/s2.gif[/image] That dead girl with the bloodied knife coming off her mouth is almost all that I remember of it, so it seems it did impress me [:D]





Dr Lenera -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (8/5/2008 7:08:54 PM)

DON'T TORTURE A DUCKLING
In a remote village in Southern Italy,somebody is killing boys who are on the brink of puberty. Initial suspicions fall on the local peeping tom and he claims to have kidnapped one of the boys but turns out he was innocent and was just trying to blackmail one of the parents. Maybe it's Maciara, a local 'witch' who stabs voodoo dolls of the boys,or Patrizia,a loose moraled woman from the city? Maciara is tried and released but some of the villagers decide to take the law into their own hands.  However then another boy is killed and journalist Martelli find even more suspects......


Don't Torture A Duckling is one of Lucio Fulci's best films and it was the one he was most proud of, though it only recieved limited distribution about Italy. As well as a clever and tight plot which keeps one guessing to the end, it boasts superb photography by Robert Gianfriti [especially during some vivid night scenes], excellent performances which shine through even with the English dubbing and a real sense of time and setting.  The script by Fulci and Roberto Gianfrazzi who had co-written A Lizard In a Woman's Skin cleverly changes sympathies of most of the characters throughout and explores the clash of Catholicism and rural superstition, while also allowing Fulci to express his typically cynical view of the world and it's people without going quite as far as the total nihilism of The New York Ripper.

With yet another title that deliberately evokes Argento's movies [perhaps these were forced on Fulci by the producers!], again this is quite a different movie, and it's also very different from Fulci's previous Giallo A Lizard In A Woman's Skin.  This has a much more realistic feel, and one feels throughout that Fulci was truly aiming for a 'great' movie, it really goes for an almost 'classic' feel and is indeed very well made on almost every level. Unfortunately it got lost in the glut of Giallos coming out of Italy around the same time and those out for just some gory thrills may have been disappointed by the leisurely pacing and relatively few violent killings.

There are though some controversial elements which almost got the film banned in Italy in 1972 and perhaps these limited it's release too. There's a stinging attack on the Cathlic church expressed, children are strangled, the supposed 'heroine' likes to sexually tease young boys, and a main character is chain whipped to death, in a unforgettable scene that is like the start of The Beyond but is probably nastier for being in full colour and having the ironic use of a romantic song in the background, plus we've got to know this character.  It climaxes incredibly with the victim crawling up to a road where she is ignored by passing motorists, a really heartbreaking climax to a brilliant piece of cinema which really shows the director's skill.  Not at all 'nice', but art shouldn't always be nice and it really shows Fulci at his best. Look out also for a climactic head-repeatedly-bashed-against-cliff bit which Fulci virtually reprised in the beginning of his next film Seven Black Notes.

Out of the cast Florinda Bolkan, in a second great role and performance for Fulci as Maciana, stands out. Of course all Barbara Boucher has to do, as usual, is to flirt, tease and generally look sexy all the time and it sure works!  Don't Torture A Duckling is very talky and there are perhaps too many scenes of the cops searching the countryside.  Fulci wasn't always that good at pacing and around the middle of the film things almost draw to a halt, a bad thing for a thriller but then again Fulci seems to have been out to try and do more than just thrill with this movie.  I wonder if the film had been the success and had the acclaim it deserved then would Fulci's career stil have gone the same way and would still have still made his bloody classics of the early 80s?   There are at least two or three other Fulci films I find more entertaining, but this fine film should reward the patient viewer stick in the memory.
9/10




Dr Lenera -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (8/5/2008 7:13:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fernetcontonica

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Amazing, the beyond has become one of my favourite horrors, and If there was a disturbing movie that got stuck in my mind for years it've been The House by the Cementery. I remember when I first watched, alone and having around eight, I stopped it after the opening scenen and  went get my cousin cause he had to see that  [:D] That dead girl with the bloodied knife coming off her mouth is almost all that I remember of it, so it seems it did impress me [:D]




Possibly Fulci's scariest movie this one,and with possibly the most terrifying zombie in cinema history!   A shame about the AWFUL dubbing of the boy though........this is one movie that really needs to be released in the original language with English subtitles.




evil bill -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (8/5/2008 8:45:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dr Lenera

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ORIGINAL: fernetcontonica

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Amazing, the beyond has become one of my favourite horrors, and If there was a disturbing movie that got stuck in my mind for years it've been The House by the Cementery. I remember when I first watched, alone and having around eight, I stopped it after the opening scenen and  went get my cousin cause he had to see that  [:D] That dead girl with the bloodied knife coming off her mouth is almost all that I remember of it, so it seems it did impress me [:D]




Possibly Fulci's scariest movie this one,and with possibly the most terrifying zombie in cinema history!   A shame about the AWFUL dubbing of the boy though........this is one movie that really needs to be released in the original language with English subtitles.

Yes it would be about time they relesaed House By The Cemetery with just subtitles,but like Argento movies some of the actors where speaking English which led to the poor dubbing[:o].And it comes a close second to the best horror/zombie movie? but then Lucio had a way with real horror movies[:D]
GREAT REVIEWS by the way not a foot wrong in any so far,hope the foot gets better but if it was broken like mine a few years ago,your talking a lot of weeks before you can return to work.




evil bill -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (9/5/2008 4:12:56 PM)

ZOMBIE 2(Zombie Flesh Eaters)  1979
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A sail boat arrives in New York Harbor with only a flesh eating Zombie on board,it belongs to a famous scientist who's daughter lives in the city.She hears of the sail boat and with a journalist friend sets out to find her father,who she left on an island of Mutual.They enlist the help of some friends and travel to the island where they find Dr Menard,who is trying to find the cause of a disease that brings the dead back to life.Slowly the island people are being devoured by the zombies and becoming part of the zombie army that is taking over the island.
[image]http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8364/zombi21ga7.jpg[/image]
This is one brilliant Zombie movie,with very dark humor,like the zombie attacking the shark underwater,what a standout moment in cinema.And of course some lashing of sex and of course violence,and it's visuals are creepy and yet in full sunshine,it's gore is for the hardened horror fan only.Yet it is so well made it should be seen by all horror fans,it was one of the true video nasties,it had the censor reaching for the Valium and the scissors.It was called Zombie 2 to cash in on Argentos re-cut of Romeros Dawn Of The Dead,which under Argentos name in Italy was called Zombie.It's original title was Zombie Island,but Fulci added a new beginning and ending to cash in on it,and  finally get the fame he deserved.But it is noting Dawn,and Argento did not object to Lucio jumping on the band wagon even though they where rivals in Italian horror.In true both helped each other out from time to time and took no credit for it,i suspect Argento more than encouraged Fulci to rename his movie and do a re-cut.It's probably the most commercial of his movies but it still caused problems,like the eye popping with a splinter of wood,cut from the UK cinema release,but now returned in all it's glory.
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There was plenty of flesh riping and female nudity to keep any horror fan happy,the dead coming out of the earth from there shallow graves.The corpse's in this one are some of the most roted dead you'll ever see you can nearly smell them.And yet it's not the most shocking he's ever done,but it still has the Fulci style,those moments of hypnotic suspense,where you knew you should turn away.But you are caught in his trap, he got you again in his grasp and delivered the shocks,and the ending was pure Italian dark no joy,no escaping the nightmare it was coming to your doorstep.This was the first ever Italian horror i ever saw,then titled Zombie Flesh Eaters on ye old VHS,and totally amazed me back then,at it's realistic gore.Now on remastered DVD it's even better and has stood the test of time to be called a cult classic zombie movie.Watch it at your peril[:D].




Lydia_H -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (10/5/2008 12:09:54 AM)

Zombie is fun, but I think it's a long way from matching The Beyond and seems a bit lightweight by comparison.

I still have a lot of Fulci to watch. Interesting reviews Dr. Lenera I haven't seen either of those films, but I'll see if I can get hold of them, along with New York Ripper and House by the Cemetary, for my next steps into Fulci's work




evil bill -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (11/5/2008 4:27:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lydia_H

Zombie is fun, but I think it's a long way from matching The Beyond and seems a bit lightweight by comparison.

I still have a lot of Fulci to watch. Interesting reviews Dr. Lenera I haven't seen either of those films, but I'll see if I can get hold of them, along with New York Ripper and House by the Cemetary, for my next steps into Fulci's work

House By The Cemetary is a brillant gore fest of a movie,with lots of Fulci style,just a real extreme movie.And yes Zombie is pretty lightweight compared to any of Fulci's works but as i said this was a highly comercial horror movie,that help bring Fulci some well deserved fame.I for one,got into Italian horror because of this movie,and led me to watch a lot of world cinema horror too.The Beyond is one of the greatest horror movies ever,it's up there with Suspiria as a must see horror movie for any true fans of movies.[:D]




Dr Lenera -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (12/5/2008 12:46:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: evil bill

ZOMBIE 2(Zombie Flesh Eaters)  1979
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A sail boat arrives in New York Harbor with only a flesh eating Zombie on board,it belongs to a famous scientist who's daughter lives in the city.She hears of the sail boat and with a journalist friend sets out to find her father,who she left on an island of Mutual.They enlist the help of some friends and travel to the island where they find Dr Menard,who is trying to find the cause of a disease that brings the dead back to life.Slowly the island people are being devoured by the zombies and becoming part of the zombie army that is taking over the island.
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This is one brilliant Zombie movie,with very dark humor,like the zombie attacking the shark underwater,what a standout moment in cinema.And of course some lashing of sex and of course violence,and it's visuals are creepy and yet in full sunshine,it's gore is for the hardened horror fan only.Yet it is so well made it should be seen by all horror fans,it was one of the true video nasties,it had the censor reaching for the Valium and the scissors.It was called Zombie 2 to cash in on Argentos re-cut of Romeros Dawn Of The Dead,which under Argentos name in Italy was called Zombie.It's original title was Zombie Island,but Fulci added a new beginning and ending to cash in on it,and  finally get the fame he deserved.But it is noting Dawn,and Argento did not object to Lucio jumping on the band wagon even though they where rivals in Italian horror.In true both helped each other out from time to time and took no credit for it,i suspect Argento more than encouraged Fulci to rename his movie and do a re-cut.It's probably the most commercial of his movies but it still caused problems,like the eye popping with a splinter of wood,cut from the UK cinema release,but now returned in all it's glory.
[image]http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/949/zombi22zv9.jpg[/image]
There was plenty of flesh riping and female nudity to keep any horror fan happy,the dead coming out of the earth from there shallow graves.The corpse's in this one are some of the most roted dead you'll ever see you can nearly smell them.And yet it's not the most shocking he's ever done,but it still has the Fulci style,those moments of hypnotic suspense,where you knew you should turn away.But you are caught in his trap, he got you again in his grasp and delivered the shocks,and the ending was pure Italian dark no joy,no escaping the nightmare it was coming to your doorstep.This was the first ever Italian horror i ever saw,then titled Zombie Flesh Eaters on ye old VHS,and totally amazed me back then,at it's realistic gore.Now on remastered DVD it's even better and has stood the test of time to be called a cult classic zombie movie.Watch it at your peril[:D].


Nice one,that's not really a masterpiece but it's one of his most sheerly enjoyable movies!   I remember 13 or 14 years ago hiring it out of the video shop,I enjoyed it but couldn't understand what the fuss was about.   Then a mate lent me the uncut version and then I understood!  It was hard being a horror fan then,I was already an Argento fan and Zombie got me into Fulci but their films were always cut to buggery.  If you wanted to obtain the full versions you had to get them....illegally!  Magazines would carry ads saying things like RARE AND UNCUT HORROR VIDEOS FOR SALE!  And foots a bit better mate,thanks!




evil bill -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (13/5/2008 7:56:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dr Lenera


Nice one,that's not really a masterpiece but it's one of his most sheerly enjoyable movies!   I remember 13 or 14 years ago hiring it out of the video shop,I enjoyed it but couldn't understand what the fuss was about.   Then a mate lent me the uncut version and then I understood!  It was hard being a horror fan then,I was already an Argento fan and Zombie got me into Fulci but their films were always cut to buggery.  If you wanted to obtain the full versions you had to get them....illegally!  Magazines would carry ads saying things like RARE AND UNCUT HORROR VIDEOS FOR SALE!  And foots a bit better mate,thanks!

I was lucky the first version i saw of ZOMBIE FLESH EATERS was the uncut version,from a local video store.Somehow he got the uncut versions of a lot of the video nasties,that was till he was raided and closed down[:o].And that advert was in a couple of movie magazines,Photoplay and Starbrust,back in the late 80's.It was not long after seeing Zombie me and the mates hired out TENABRE,and they where shocked i was over the moon,and wanted more Italian horror.[:D] City Of The Dead,was the next one i got my hands on and had the girl friend of the time reaching for a sick bag[sm=evilgrin27.gif][sm=happy07.gif].




Dr Lenera -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (14/5/2008 11:29:51 AM)

MANHATTAN BABY
Archaeologist George,his journalist wife Emily and their daughter Susie are in Egypt.  While a strange blind woman gives Emily a medallion,George is struck blind exploring a tomb and a helper falls onto some spikes to his death.  Back in New York,George's eyes start to recover but Emily and her brother keep disappearing on trans-dimensional "voyages",things likes scorpions and sand start to appear,and adults who enter the kid's bedroom die.  Can a mystic called Marcato,who realises the amulet is a symbol of ancient evil,sort things out?


Manhattan Baby was the last Lucio Fulci film to be produced by Fabrizio De Angelis, their collaboration have began with Zombie, and in some way marked the end of an era.  Fulci's subsequent films were erratic in quality, sometimes very poor, hampered by exceedingly low budgets and sometimes a certain disinterest by a director.  This effort is by far the strangest of the four Fulci films I obtained recently.  It's basically an attempt to make a film like The Beyond,House By The Cemetery and City Of The Living Dead but without much in the way of gore or even tension.  It has the slightly disjointed,nightmare edge of those films, the H.P Lovecraft feel, much of the same cast, it even uses music cues from The Beyond, so at times it feels like a half remembered echo from Fulci's glorious early 80s horror period.

Manhattan Baby has an opening sequence in Egypt which was added at the producer's request in an attempt to make the film a little more conventional and probably also to cash in on the recent release of The Awakening.  The idea of an Egyptian curse had of course been used countless times before, but in actuality this movie is virtually plotless, and without even much attempt to make the proceedings scary,the film is basically a stoned assembly of loose themes and images, some of them familiar from some previous films such as an obssession with eyes.   Scorpions scuttle from drawers, sand falls away into itself, the camera imitates the movement of a snake,a person dies and is transported to Egypt-all this has a real genuine dreamlike feel and an almost surreal quality.

The pace is very slow and as mentioned before there's little of the visceral horror [one death even occurs off screen!] that one had come to expect from Fulci at the time.  Perhaps this was a reaction to the controversy about The New York Ripper which had been his previous effort. He does though throw in one great gory set piece at the end involving stuffed birds coming to life,as if to reward the patient viewer, though without that scene I reckon the movie would get a '12' rating!   It has been said that Fulci wasn't focused much on this project, but I disagree, it has an extroadinary atmosphere that is almost stifling and where it doesn't matter that nothing really makes any sense.  I would have loved for Fulci to have continued along this path but sadly it wasn't really the case.

The acting is no better than you would expect and I wouldn't really recommend Manhattan Baby to anyone unless they've seen a fair few of Fulci's other films, it would probably seem bewildering and boring.  I loved it and think it's a real work of art.  It's one of those movies that probably has to be enjoyed at the right time though .  I first tried to watch it during the day and the wife was in and out, I couldn't get into it and switched it off after 15 mins.  Last night I put it on upstairs after midnight with the wife asleep, the window open and a glass of whisky,and it was perfect!
8/10




evil bill -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (14/5/2008 5:28:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dr Lenera

MANHATTAN BABY
Archaeologist George,his journalist wife Emily and their daughter Susie are in Egypt.  While a strange blind woman gives Emily a medallion,George is struck blind exploring a tomb and a helper falls onto some spikes to his death.  Back in New York,George's eyes start to recover but Emily and her brother keep disappearing on trans-dimensional "voyages",things likes scorpions and sand start to appear,and adults who enter the kid's bedroom die.  Can a mystic called Marcato,who realises the amulet is a symbol of ancient evil,sort things out?


Manhattan Baby is by far the strangest of the four Fulci films I obtained recently.  It's basically an attempt to make a film like The Beyond,House By The Cemetery and City Of The Living Dead but without much in the way of gore and tension.  It has the slightly disjointed,nightmare edge of those films,the H.P Lovecraft feel,much of the same cast,it even uses music cues from the first of those two films,so at times it feels like a half remembered echo from Fulci's glorious early 80s horror period.

With very little in the way of plot-in fact the opening in Egypt was added at the producer's request in an attempt to make the film a little more conventional and probably also to cash in on the recent release of The Awakening-and without even much attempt to make the proceedings scary,the film is basically a stoned assembly of loose themes and images,some of them familiar from some previous films such as an obssession with eyes.   Scorpions scuttle from drawers,sand falls away into itself,the camera imitates the movement of a snake,a person dies and is transported to Egypt-all this has a real genuine dreamlike feel and an almost surreal quality.

The pace is very slow and as mentioned before there's little of the expected visceral horror [one death even occurs off screen!]but Fulci does throw in one great gory set piece at the end involving stuffed birds coming to life,as if to reward the patient viewer!   

I wouldn't recommend Manhattan Baby to anyone unless they've seen a fair few of Fulci's other films,and yet I loved it,I think it's a real work of art.  It's one of those movies that probably has to be enjoyed at the right time.  I first tried to watch it during the day and the wife was in and out,I couldn't get into it and switched it off after 15 mins.  Last night I put it on upstairs after midnight with the wife asleep,the window open and a glass of whisky,and it was perfect!

Another great review there mate,you seem to be enjoying your time off[:D],i prefer Vodka myself but the odd glass of Irish Whiskey has passed my lips along with JD of course,while watching ye old nastie movies,while the beloved sleeps[;)].
Recived City Of The Dead and Don't Tortue A Duckling tody from Blue Underground,so all uncut as they where meant to be R1 DVD's most excellent,just love those guys at Blue Underground,and not forgetting Anchor Bay.[:)]




evil bill -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (18/5/2008 6:30:51 PM)

Watched NEW YORK RIPPER last night,and wow!! what a powerful movie it is,very dark and brutal,and that toe rape[:@],the wife left the room and would'nt watch anymore of it.A real disturbing movie that still deserves the 18 cert without a doubt.Blue Underground once again thanks for releaseing this classic uncut.[;)]




Dr Lenera -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (21/5/2008 1:08:42 PM)

My missus couldn't stand the toe scene either,left and didn't come back in until the film had finished!   It's interesting how some things affect other people.  When we watched Suspiria she was scared and shocked with the opening murder but sat through it,however it was the bit where they are sleeping in the hall and you hear the witch breathing,she couldn't stand that and didn't watch any more!  That night we had to sleep with the landing light on!!




evil bill -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (22/5/2008 5:42:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dr Lenera

My missus couldn't stand the toe scene either,left and didn't come back in until the film had finished!   It's interesting how some things affect other people.  When we watched Suspiria she was scared and shocked with the opening murder but sat through it,however it was the bit where they are sleeping in the hall and you hear the witch breathing,she couldn't stand that and didn't watch any more!  That night we had to sleep with the landing light on!!

The wife can't stand Suspiria's sound track,it really freaks her out,so she has'nt even watched the whole movie yet.As for New York Ripper,i got a lot of ear ace about how sick and depraved it was,to which i mistakinly said"but you only seen the first half"OOPS!!![&:]Hell hath no fury like a womans scorn.[sm=evilgrin27.gif]
I'm hoping to watch Don't Torture A Duckling and House By The Cematery this weekend,as i now have the uncut region 1 DVDs[:D]




evil bill -> RE: LUCIO FULCI The Godfather of Gore. (28/5/2008 6:42:45 PM)

HOUSE BY THE CEMETERY    1981

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A young woman is looking for her boyfriend,after having sex in an old house in New England,but he is already dead and she is about to be knifed?.Months later a young family moves from New York to a new home in New England,a house by a cemetery,that has a dark history.It was owned by a Dr Freudstien a madman who carried out monstrous experiments on numerous people,that has left a bloody mark on the house.The young child named Bob See's visions of a dead girl who once lived there,he tells his parents Norman(Paolo Malco) and Lucy(Catriona MacColl) that they must leave.But Norman feels he has some connection with the house,and Lucy adores who new home,but things begin to turn bad when Anne the strange baby sitter arrives.There is something dark and evil that still dwells in the basement of the house,and it has a thirst for blood.
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This has all of Lucio Fulci's style of in your face horror,lots of throat ripping,skull knifing,maggot spewing blood soaked horror.The version i have is Anchor Bays uncut fully restored region 1,and it is so full of so many wonderful scenes from start to blood soaked finish.It's a power house of a movie,beyond doubt his second best movie to THE BEYOND(some think his best),and in a way silmar with it's Gothic setting,surreal imagery,fantastic score by Walter Rizzati which when you hear it you will know you've heard it before?or should that be after?.From the opening shot of the young bare chested woman seeing her boyfriend with his skull ripped open,you know right away this has a dark humor buried in it's script.Even the name of the mad owner of the home,Dr Freudstien,hints to a Frankenstein influence and gives away the ending in a way?.Theres also the leading lady Lucy(Catriona MacColl,The Beyond,blind girl)on fine form,the baby sitter Anne(Ania Pieroni,Inferno,the mother of darkness)and the young child actor Bob(Giovanni Frezza)who nearly steals the show.Fine acting from all and great gore effects from the usual suspects,and i don't want to give to much away with this shock fest of a movie.But there's the odd nod and wink to other classic horror movies in this tour de force,which any true horror fan will spot so i won't spoil it just keep your eyes open if you can.The story has again a Lovecraft feel to it,but very European in it's execution,and great use of colour and sound,from the Gore master himself.The ending is very dark and disturbing,but there is a light at the end of the tunnel if you can call it that.A masterful work of art by a true great of the horror genre,not to be missed by any fan of true movie making at it's best.




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