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ORIGINAL: Discodez

I really enjoyed it, thought it was a very good follow up all things considered.

Thomas Harris was given ten million dollars for the film rights to a silence of the lambs sequel, before he had even written a single word of the book (and he then took ten years to write it). I'm convinced that he set out to write an "unfilmable" book as some kind of joke, which is why it ended up so gory and silly. I always thought that the Hannibal brainwashing Clarice into falling in love with him ending of the book was ridiculous and I actually found the ending of the film more satisfying.

Still I liked Red Dragon as much as Manhunter too, which is sacriledge in some peoples eyes.

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ORIGINAL: Discodez

I really enjoyed it, thought it was a very good follow up all things considered.

Thomas Harris was given ten million dollars for the film rights to a silence of the lambs sequel, before he had even written a single word of the book (and he then took ten years to write it). I'm convinced that he set out to write an "unfilmable" book as some kind of joke, which is why it ended up so gory and silly. I always thought that the Hannibal brainwashing Clarice into falling in love with him ending of the book was ridiculous and I actually found the ending of the film more satisfying.

Still I liked Red Dragon as much as Manhunter too, which is sacriledge in some peoples eyes.

He uses classic conditioning to get Clarice to perceive things differently and to get over psychic wounds relating to (for example) her father. By the end, she's drug free. We can only learn so much and live [;)] I'd stress again that Hannibal was very, very well-reviewed. Is the gore significantly worse than Lector in Silence using a cop's face as a mask?

I like the film ending in so far as it goes, but it doesn't really resolve much. Is Clarice's career over? It ends with Hannibal just being a free man fannying about the world, which is how the story started!


Yeah, no way is Cox better than Hopkins. It's the equivalent of people thinking a trendy indie version of a song is better than the one everyone's heard of.

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ORIGINAL: Discodez

I really enjoyed it, thought it was a very good follow up all things considered.

Thomas Harris was given ten million dollars for the film rights to a silence of the lambs sequel, before he had even written a single word of the book (and he then took ten years to write it). I'm convinced that he set out to write an "unfilmable" book as some kind of joke, which is why it ended up so gory and silly. I always thought that the Hannibal brainwashing Clarice into falling in love with him ending of the book was ridiculous and I actually found the ending of the film more satisfying.

Still I liked Red Dragon as much as Manhunter too, which is sacriledge in some peoples eyes.

He uses classic conditioning to get Clarice to perceive things differently and to get over psychic wounds relating to (for example) her father. By the end, she's drug free. We can only learn so much and live [;)] I'd stress again that Hannibal was very, very well-reviewed. Is the gore significantly worse than Lector in Silence using a cop's face as a mask?

I like the film ending in so far as it goes, but it doesn't really resolve much. Is Clarice's career over? It ends with Hannibal just being a free man fannying about the world, which is how the story started!


Yeah, no way is Cox better than Hopkins. It's the equivalent of people thinking a trendy indie version of a song is better than the one everyone's heard of.

MAJOR BOOK ENDING SPOLIERS AHEAD

He does that yes but it's not his aim, his aim is to convince Clarice that she is in fact his Sister, which fails, but in doing so he turns her into a Cannibal (they kill Krendler and eat his brain) and she falls in love him ... Now he may have helped get over her psychological scars but he turns her into a monster too, that was what I found a bit silly.

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I really enjoyed it, thought it was a very good follow up all things considered.

Thomas Harris was given ten million dollars for the film rights to a silence of the lambs sequel, before he had even written a single word of the book (and he then took ten years to write it). I'm convinced that he set out to write an "unfilmable" book as some kind of joke, which is why it ended up so gory and silly. I always thought that the Hannibal brainwashing Clarice into falling in love with him ending of the book was ridiculous and I actually found the ending of the film more satisfying.

Still I liked Red Dragon as much as Manhunter too, which is sacriledge in some peoples eyes.

He uses classic conditioning to get Clarice to perceive things differently and to get over psychic wounds relating to (for example) her father. By the end, she's drug free. We can only learn so much and live [;)] I'd stress again that Hannibal was very, very well-reviewed. Is the gore significantly worse than Lector in Silence using a cop's face as a mask?

I like the film ending in so far as it goes, but it doesn't really resolve much. Is Clarice's career over? It ends with Hannibal just being a free man fannying about the world, which is how the story started!


Yeah, no way is Cox better than Hopkins. It's the equivalent of people thinking a trendy indie version of a song is better than the one everyone's heard of.

MAJOR BOOK ENDING SPOLIERS AHEAD

He does that yes but it's not his aim, his aim is to convince Clarice that she is in fact his Sister, which fails, but in doing so he turns her into a Cannibal (they kill Krendler and eat his brain) and she falls in love him ... Now he may have helped get over her psychological scars but he turns her into a monster too, that was what I found a bit silly.

I don't see how she becomes a monster, unless you count being a serial killer's partner (ok, you might have a point, but Hannibal has abandoned all the cannibalism at the end. I liked the movie's "would you ever say: if you love me, stop?" and "I came halfway across the world to watch you run. Let me run, Clarice"). Hannibal is also upfront about getting Clarice to replace Mischa's place; Clarice responds by asking if Hannibal never thought that his place would be best for Mischa. Clarice stands up to Hannibal - there's a line "there is the possiblility that she could surprise him" which is the basis of the attraction (for him)

Hannibal kills Krendler and they eat his brain when Clarice is drugged. He's not interested in turning her into his cannibal sidekick or something.

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I really enjoyed it, thought it was a very good follow up all things considered.

Thomas Harris was given ten million dollars for the film rights to a silence of the lambs sequel, before he had even written a single word of the book (and he then took ten years to write it). I'm convinced that he set out to write an "unfilmable" book as some kind of joke, which is why it ended up so gory and silly. I always thought that the Hannibal brainwashing Clarice into falling in love with him ending of the book was ridiculous and I actually found the ending of the film more satisfying.

Still I liked Red Dragon as much as Manhunter too, which is sacriledge in some peoples eyes.

He uses classic conditioning to get Clarice to perceive things differently and to get over psychic wounds relating to (for example) her father. By the end, she's drug free. We can only learn so much and live [;)] I'd stress again that Hannibal was very, very well-reviewed. Is the gore significantly worse than Lector in Silence using a cop's face as a mask?

I like the film ending in so far as it goes, but it doesn't really resolve much. Is Clarice's career over? It ends with Hannibal just being a free man fannying about the world, which is how the story started!


Yeah, no way is Cox better than Hopkins. It's the equivalent of people thinking a trendy indie version of a song is better than the one everyone's heard of.

MAJOR BOOK ENDING SPOLIERS AHEAD

He does that yes but it's not his aim, his aim is to convince Clarice that she is in fact his Sister, which fails, but in doing so he turns her into a Cannibal (they kill Krendler and eat his brain) and she falls in love him ... Now he may have helped get over her psychological scars but he turns her into a monster too, that was what I found a bit silly.

I don't see how she becomes a monster, unless you count being a serial killer's partner (ok, you might have a point, but Hannibal has abandoned all the cannibalism at the end. I liked the movie's "would you ever say: if you love me, stop?" and "I came halfway across the world to watch you run. Let me run, Clarice"). Hannibal is also upfront about getting Clarice to replace Mischa's place; Clarice responds by asking if Hannibal never thought that his place would be best for Mischa. Clarice stands up to Hannibal - there's a line "there is the possiblility that she could surprise him" which is the basis of the attraction (for him)

Hannibal kills Krendler and they eat his brain when Clarice is drugged. He's not interested in turning her into his cannibal sidekick or something.

Does he? I honestly don't remember that (Hannibal giving up Cannibalism) being stated at any point in last chapter or so of the book, but I'll take you're word for it, it's been a few years since I read it that's for sure.

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Well, at the end they're basically living like a rich, glamorous couple, in a big house with servants and the like, travelling, seeing art, dancing and so on. Barney runs into them in Beunos Aires. However, I can't recall the end exactly, so will look it up and get back to you!

I loved all the Hannibal in Florence stuff. Thematically, it's also where the book is at its best (dealing with corruption, relating it to Clarice's idealism which hasn't got her far, career wise).

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Well, at the end they're basically living like a rich, glamorous couple, in a big house with servants and the like, travelling, seeing art, dancing and so on. Barney runs into them in Beunos Aires. However, I can't recall the end exactly, so will look it up and get back to you!

I loved all the Hannibal in Florence stuff. Thematically, it's also where the book is at its best (dealing with corruption, relating it to Clarice's idealism which hasn't got her far, career wise).

I remember that, he spots them from the balconey of his hotel room doesn't he? (and then does a runner because he's scared Hannibal has seen him or something).

I loved the Florence bit too, it's the best bit of both the film and the book imo.

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Well, at the end they're basically living like a rich, glamorous couple, in a big house with servants and the like, travelling, seeing art, dancing and so on. Barney runs into them in Beunos Aires. However, I can't recall the end exactly, so will look it up and get back to you!

I loved all the Hannibal in Florence stuff. Thematically, it's also where the book is at its best (dealing with corruption, relating it to Clarice's idealism which hasn't got her far, career wise).

I remember that, he spots them from the balconey of his hotel room doesn't he? (and then does a runner because he's scared Hannibal has seen him or something).

I loved the Florence bit too, it's the best bit of both the film and the book imo.

They're at an Opera house in Beunos Aires - Barney's dating a lecturer, and is on a mission to see every Vermeer in the world (which is a great touch, because it's obviously Hannibal that awoke such a desire, and it's because of the money Barney makes from secretely selling Lecter merchandise that he can afford to do all this!). Barney sees Clarice and Hannibal with a telescope at the opera (he and his date are way up in the rafters). Barney sees Lecter turning round, as if he noticed him, and hides himself under the programme and leaves Argentina that night. We're told that the Vermeer in Beunos Aires is the only one Barney never saw.

After that, there's another, brief chapter on Hannibal and Clarice. We're not explicitly told that he's abandoned cannibalism, but they do have an active sex and Clarice is really into being penetrated ("Sex is a splendid structure they add to every day"). It's emphasised that Clarice hasn't been drugged for a while, and the dynamic of the relationship owes much to the possibility of Clarice to scare/surprise Hannibal. All that suggests he's no longer into cannibalism. Plus, if you work out the dates, Hannibal must be very late sixties by the book's ending (set at the millennium) , and even serial killers have to retire someday [;)]

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Well, at the end they're basically living like a rich, glamorous couple, in a big house with servants and the like, travelling, seeing art, dancing and so on. Barney runs into them in Beunos Aires. However, I can't recall the end exactly, so will look it up and get back to you!

I loved all the Hannibal in Florence stuff. Thematically, it's also where the book is at its best (dealing with corruption, relating it to Clarice's idealism which hasn't got her far, career wise).

I remember that, he spots them from the balconey of his hotel room doesn't he? (and then does a runner because he's scared Hannibal has seen him or something).

I loved the Florence bit too, it's the best bit of both the film and the book imo.

They're at an Opera house in Beunos Aires - Barney's dating a lecturer, and is on a mission to see every Vermeer in the world (which is a great touch, because it's obviously Hannibal that awoke such a desire, and it's because of the money Barney makes from secretely selling Lecter merchandise that he can afford to do all this!). Barney sees Clarice and Hannibal with a telescope at the opera (he and his date are way up in the rafters). Barney sees Lecter turning round, as if he noticed him, and hides himself under the programme and leaves Argentina that night. We're told that the Vermeer in Beunos Aires is the only one Barney never saw.

After that, there's another, brief chapter on Hannibal and Clarice. We're not explicitly told that he's abandoned cannibalism, but they do have an active sex and Clarice is really into being penetrated ("Sex is a splendid structure they add to every day"). It's emphasised that Clarice hasn't been drugged for a while, and the dynamic of the relationship owes much to the possibility of Clarice to scare/surprise Hannibal. All that suggests he's no longer into cannibalism. Plus, if you work out the dates, Hannibal must be very late sixties by the book's ending (set at the millennium) , and even serial killers have to retire someday [;)]

Thanks for the clarification mate, I know my copy of the book is around somewhere...

Yes he would have been knocking on a bit by the end of the book, but my dad is 65 and as fit as a fiddle (did a half marathon in under 1 hour 45 last year) and stong as an ox. There's absolutley no reason why a fit Hannibal couldn't carry on killing for years to come (especially with a young accomplice), an idea I actually quite like! [:D]