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Empire Admin -> Hannibal (20/12/2005 11:33:20 AM)

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daithi baru -> Poor (19/1/2006 2:14:37 PM)

Technically impressive, but this is frustratingly bad and a crime against the silence of the lambs




tommyjarvis -> Underrated (23/3/2006 11:20:54 AM)

Do not get the hate for this. It's certainly far superior to Red Dragon and the section in Florence is as good as anything in Silence of the Lambs. The book wasn't too bad either




casino -> (30/6/2006 11:33:57 PM)

this is a good movie but if you have seen silence of the lambs you will be dissapointed by hannibal




willchadwick -> (22/4/2007 2:15:44 PM)

The gore is too heavily focused on when half of it could have been implied




willchadwick -> (22/4/2007 2:15:46 PM)

The gore is too heavily focused on when half of it could have been implied




jr146 -> (23/5/2007 12:00:15 AM)

total cack. silence of the lambs was incredible, this is just awful. it could be so many things and yet its just a huge flop




JokerJr -> Great (31/5/2007 6:19:25 PM)

good film although not the directors best!




Angim350 -> No Hannibal story after this (19/7/2008 6:02:10 PM)

Apart from what many people thought was a dissapointing prequal last year (which i didn't, by the way) this is the last in the series of Hannibal, purley because for some bizarre reason the director completly changed the ending. OK, so many people might not have got Hannibal and Clarice walking off into the sunset, but that could have been worked around. Instead of letting Hannibal make a daring clever escape, they had him take his hand and have Clarice pretty much arrested. How in the name of the lord can a sequal be made from this? If De Lorentes is so desperate for Hannibal films, why did he allow this to happen? This is not a bad film all in all and is pretty faithful to the book untill the last minuet, but it goes to show how film makers should let the authors write good books when they are ready and not when the film makers need another film.




lynnshep -> Hannibal--okay (22/7/2008 4:15:04 AM)

Okay not great. Loved the scenes in Florence. Hopkins is great, Moore is good, and Liotta turns in one over the top performance. More gore and humor but not as intense as Silence. Film needs more Gary Oldman




!xHoTRoDx! -> AWFUL (22/12/2008 7:32:42 PM)

It's...just...awful. Enough said.




!xHoTRoDx! -> AWFUL (22/12/2008 7:32:53 PM)

It's...just...awful. Enough said.




vermin101 -> (13/9/2009 11:12:16 AM)

Overly grotesque, extremely unsatisfying sequel to the greatest psychological thriller of all time




vermin101 -> (13/9/2009 11:12:17 AM)

Overly grotesque, extremely unsatisfying sequel to the greatest psychological thriller of all time




paulandnic14 -> Huge let down. (28/1/2010 5:31:06 PM)

Same oscar winning main character - check, multiple oscar nominated lead actress - check, oscar nominated world renowned director - check, oscar winning screenplay writer - check, star laden cast - check, based on the same novel who wrote the excellent first two - check, budget over 4 times bigger then manhunter and scilence of the lambs - check...................... WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED HERE????????.




the film man -> Hannibal Review (28/12/2011 11:13:17 AM)

While superbly acted and stylishly filmed, Hannibal lacks the character interaction between the two leads which made the first movie so engrossing.




the film man -> Hannibal Review (15/4/2012 2:03:37 AM)

While superbly acted and stylishly filmed, Hannibal lacks the character interaction between the two leads which made the first movie so engrossing. The film also has the fatal flaw of going from scary just plain disgusting.




boutb006 -> Hannibal (29/5/2012 4:31:25 PM)

You maybe thinking 'Oh yes Silence of the Lambs 2' but oh no my friend this film is a complete flop. I mean Julianne Moore filling in for Jodie Foster what is on director Ridley Scotts mind. If you have watched Silence of the Lambs this film is not even worth comparing. With a complete meaningless story and if you're expecting Antonony Hopkins to keep his consistant weird don't no whats going to happen next think again. Don't even bother watching this film because you will be more than disappointed. I give this movie a 4.9




cerebusboy -> RE: Hannibal (3/9/2012 2:00:14 PM)


'Derided novel'? I think you'll find that Hannibal was critically acclaimed, from critics high (Will Self) popular (Steven King) and all points in between (yes, I know Amis didn't like it) . If Nathan hated Hannibal (the book) then just say so, but to pretend that the general critical response to it was derisive is simply untrue.

As for the movie, I think the fact that it's not (or at all) a serial killer movie is to its credit. I'd agree with David Thompson that it's doing something more gothic and interesting. Worth noting also the superb score from Hans Zimmer.




Discodez -> RE: Hannibal (3/9/2012 2:46:59 PM)

I really enjoyed it, thought it was a very good follow up all things considered.

Thomas Harris was given ten million dollars for the film rights to a silence of the lambs sequel, before he had even written a single word of the book (and he then took ten years to write it). I'm convinced that he set out to write an "unfilmable" book as some kind of joke, which is why it ended up so gory and silly. I always thought that the Hannibal brainwashing Clarice into falling in love with him ending of the book was ridiculous and I actually found the ending of the film more satisfying.

Still I liked Red Dragon as much as Manhunter too, which is sacriledge in some peoples eyes.




cerebusboy -> RE: Hannibal (3/9/2012 3:42:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Discodez

I really enjoyed it, thought it was a very good follow up all things considered.

Thomas Harris was given ten million dollars for the film rights to a silence of the lambs sequel, before he had even written a single word of the book (and he then took ten years to write it). I'm convinced that he set out to write an "unfilmable" book as some kind of joke, which is why it ended up so gory and silly. I always thought that the Hannibal brainwashing Clarice into falling in love with him ending of the book was ridiculous and I actually found the ending of the film more satisfying.

Still I liked Red Dragon as much as Manhunter too, which is sacriledge in some peoples eyes.



He uses classic conditioning to get Clarice to perceive things differently and to get over psychic wounds relating to (for example) her father. By the end, she's drug free. We can only learn so much and live [;)] I'd stress again that Hannibal was very, very well-reviewed. Is the gore significantly worse than Lector in Silence using a cop's face as a mask?

I like the film ending in so far as it goes, but it doesn't really resolve much. Is Clarice's career over? It ends with Hannibal just being a free man fannying about the world, which is how the story started!


Yeah, no way is Cox better than Hopkins. It's the equivalent of people thinking a trendy indie version of a song is better than the one everyone's heard of.





Discodez -> RE: Hannibal (4/9/2012 9:43:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Discodez

I really enjoyed it, thought it was a very good follow up all things considered.

Thomas Harris was given ten million dollars for the film rights to a silence of the lambs sequel, before he had even written a single word of the book (and he then took ten years to write it). I'm convinced that he set out to write an "unfilmable" book as some kind of joke, which is why it ended up so gory and silly. I always thought that the Hannibal brainwashing Clarice into falling in love with him ending of the book was ridiculous and I actually found the ending of the film more satisfying.

Still I liked Red Dragon as much as Manhunter too, which is sacriledge in some peoples eyes.



He uses classic conditioning to get Clarice to perceive things differently and to get over psychic wounds relating to (for example) her father. By the end, she's drug free. We can only learn so much and live [;)] I'd stress again that Hannibal was very, very well-reviewed. Is the gore significantly worse than Lector in Silence using a cop's face as a mask?

I like the film ending in so far as it goes, but it doesn't really resolve much. Is Clarice's career over? It ends with Hannibal just being a free man fannying about the world, which is how the story started!


Yeah, no way is Cox better than Hopkins. It's the equivalent of people thinking a trendy indie version of a song is better than the one everyone's heard of.




MAJOR BOOK ENDING SPOLIERS AHEAD

He does that yes but it's not his aim, his aim is to convince Clarice that she is in fact his Sister, which fails, but in doing so he turns her into a Cannibal (they kill Krendler and eat his brain) and she falls in love him ... Now he may have helped get over her psychological scars but he turns her into a monster too, that was what I found a bit silly.




cerebusboy -> RE: Hannibal (4/9/2012 9:59:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Discodez

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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


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ORIGINAL: Discodez

I really enjoyed it, thought it was a very good follow up all things considered.

Thomas Harris was given ten million dollars for the film rights to a silence of the lambs sequel, before he had even written a single word of the book (and he then took ten years to write it). I'm convinced that he set out to write an "unfilmable" book as some kind of joke, which is why it ended up so gory and silly. I always thought that the Hannibal brainwashing Clarice into falling in love with him ending of the book was ridiculous and I actually found the ending of the film more satisfying.

Still I liked Red Dragon as much as Manhunter too, which is sacriledge in some peoples eyes.



He uses classic conditioning to get Clarice to perceive things differently and to get over psychic wounds relating to (for example) her father. By the end, she's drug free. We can only learn so much and live [;)] I'd stress again that Hannibal was very, very well-reviewed. Is the gore significantly worse than Lector in Silence using a cop's face as a mask?

I like the film ending in so far as it goes, but it doesn't really resolve much. Is Clarice's career over? It ends with Hannibal just being a free man fannying about the world, which is how the story started!


Yeah, no way is Cox better than Hopkins. It's the equivalent of people thinking a trendy indie version of a song is better than the one everyone's heard of.




MAJOR BOOK ENDING SPOLIERS AHEAD

He does that yes but it's not his aim, his aim is to convince Clarice that she is in fact his Sister, which fails, but in doing so he turns her into a Cannibal (they kill Krendler and eat his brain) and she falls in love him ... Now he may have helped get over her psychological scars but he turns her into a monster too, that was what I found a bit silly.



I don't see how she becomes a monster, unless you count being a serial killer's partner (ok, you might have a point, but Hannibal has abandoned all the cannibalism at the end. I liked the movie's "would you ever say: if you love me, stop?" and "I came halfway across the world to watch you run. Let me run, Clarice"). Hannibal is also upfront about getting Clarice to replace Mischa's place; Clarice responds by asking if Hannibal never thought that his place would be best for Mischa. Clarice stands up to Hannibal - there's a line "there is the possiblility that she could surprise him" which is the basis of the attraction (for him)

Hannibal kills Krendler and they eat his brain when Clarice is drugged. He's not interested in turning her into his cannibal sidekick or something.




Discodez -> RE: Hannibal (4/9/2012 10:12:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Discodez

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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


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ORIGINAL: Discodez

I really enjoyed it, thought it was a very good follow up all things considered.

Thomas Harris was given ten million dollars for the film rights to a silence of the lambs sequel, before he had even written a single word of the book (and he then took ten years to write it). I'm convinced that he set out to write an "unfilmable" book as some kind of joke, which is why it ended up so gory and silly. I always thought that the Hannibal brainwashing Clarice into falling in love with him ending of the book was ridiculous and I actually found the ending of the film more satisfying.

Still I liked Red Dragon as much as Manhunter too, which is sacriledge in some peoples eyes.



He uses classic conditioning to get Clarice to perceive things differently and to get over psychic wounds relating to (for example) her father. By the end, she's drug free. We can only learn so much and live [;)] I'd stress again that Hannibal was very, very well-reviewed. Is the gore significantly worse than Lector in Silence using a cop's face as a mask?

I like the film ending in so far as it goes, but it doesn't really resolve much. Is Clarice's career over? It ends with Hannibal just being a free man fannying about the world, which is how the story started!


Yeah, no way is Cox better than Hopkins. It's the equivalent of people thinking a trendy indie version of a song is better than the one everyone's heard of.




MAJOR BOOK ENDING SPOLIERS AHEAD

He does that yes but it's not his aim, his aim is to convince Clarice that she is in fact his Sister, which fails, but in doing so he turns her into a Cannibal (they kill Krendler and eat his brain) and she falls in love him ... Now he may have helped get over her psychological scars but he turns her into a monster too, that was what I found a bit silly.



I don't see how she becomes a monster, unless you count being a serial killer's partner (ok, you might have a point, but Hannibal has abandoned all the cannibalism at the end. I liked the movie's "would you ever say: if you love me, stop?" and "I came halfway across the world to watch you run. Let me run, Clarice"). Hannibal is also upfront about getting Clarice to replace Mischa's place; Clarice responds by asking if Hannibal never thought that his place would be best for Mischa. Clarice stands up to Hannibal - there's a line "there is the possiblility that she could surprise him" which is the basis of the attraction (for him)

Hannibal kills Krendler and they eat his brain when Clarice is drugged. He's not interested in turning her into his cannibal sidekick or something.


Does he? I honestly don't remember that (Hannibal giving up Cannibalism) being stated at any point in last chapter or so of the book, but I'll take you're word for it, it's been a few years since I read it that's for sure.




cerebusboy -> RE: Hannibal (4/9/2012 10:54:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Discodez


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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


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ORIGINAL: Discodez

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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


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ORIGINAL: Discodez

I really enjoyed it, thought it was a very good follow up all things considered.

Thomas Harris was given ten million dollars for the film rights to a silence of the lambs sequel, before he had even written a single word of the book (and he then took ten years to write it). I'm convinced that he set out to write an "unfilmable" book as some kind of joke, which is why it ended up so gory and silly. I always thought that the Hannibal brainwashing Clarice into falling in love with him ending of the book was ridiculous and I actually found the ending of the film more satisfying.

Still I liked Red Dragon as much as Manhunter too, which is sacriledge in some peoples eyes.



He uses classic conditioning to get Clarice to perceive things differently and to get over psychic wounds relating to (for example) her father. By the end, she's drug free. We can only learn so much and live [;)] I'd stress again that Hannibal was very, very well-reviewed. Is the gore significantly worse than Lector in Silence using a cop's face as a mask?

I like the film ending in so far as it goes, but it doesn't really resolve much. Is Clarice's career over? It ends with Hannibal just being a free man fannying about the world, which is how the story started!


Yeah, no way is Cox better than Hopkins. It's the equivalent of people thinking a trendy indie version of a song is better than the one everyone's heard of.




MAJOR BOOK ENDING SPOLIERS AHEAD

He does that yes but it's not his aim, his aim is to convince Clarice that she is in fact his Sister, which fails, but in doing so he turns her into a Cannibal (they kill Krendler and eat his brain) and she falls in love him ... Now he may have helped get over her psychological scars but he turns her into a monster too, that was what I found a bit silly.



I don't see how she becomes a monster, unless you count being a serial killer's partner (ok, you might have a point, but Hannibal has abandoned all the cannibalism at the end. I liked the movie's "would you ever say: if you love me, stop?" and "I came halfway across the world to watch you run. Let me run, Clarice"). Hannibal is also upfront about getting Clarice to replace Mischa's place; Clarice responds by asking if Hannibal never thought that his place would be best for Mischa. Clarice stands up to Hannibal - there's a line "there is the possiblility that she could surprise him" which is the basis of the attraction (for him)

Hannibal kills Krendler and they eat his brain when Clarice is drugged. He's not interested in turning her into his cannibal sidekick or something.


Does he? I honestly don't remember that (Hannibal giving up Cannibalism) being stated at any point in last chapter or so of the book, but I'll take you're word for it, it's been a few years since I read it that's for sure.



Well, at the end they're basically living like a rich, glamorous couple, in a big house with servants and the like, travelling, seeing art, dancing and so on. Barney runs into them in Beunos Aires. However, I can't recall the end exactly, so will look it up and get back to you!

I loved all the Hannibal in Florence stuff. Thematically, it's also where the book is at its best (dealing with corruption, relating it to Clarice's idealism which hasn't got her far, career wise).




Discodez -> RE: Hannibal (4/9/2012 11:40:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


Well, at the end they're basically living like a rich, glamorous couple, in a big house with servants and the like, travelling, seeing art, dancing and so on. Barney runs into them in Beunos Aires. However, I can't recall the end exactly, so will look it up and get back to you!

I loved all the Hannibal in Florence stuff. Thematically, it's also where the book is at its best (dealing with corruption, relating it to Clarice's idealism which hasn't got her far, career wise).


I remember that, he spots them from the balconey of his hotel room doesn't he? (and then does a runner because he's scared Hannibal has seen him or something).

I loved the Florence bit too, it's the best bit of both the film and the book imo.




cerebusboy -> RE: Hannibal (6/9/2012 11:05:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Discodez


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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


Well, at the end they're basically living like a rich, glamorous couple, in a big house with servants and the like, travelling, seeing art, dancing and so on. Barney runs into them in Beunos Aires. However, I can't recall the end exactly, so will look it up and get back to you!

I loved all the Hannibal in Florence stuff. Thematically, it's also where the book is at its best (dealing with corruption, relating it to Clarice's idealism which hasn't got her far, career wise).


I remember that, he spots them from the balconey of his hotel room doesn't he? (and then does a runner because he's scared Hannibal has seen him or something).

I loved the Florence bit too, it's the best bit of both the film and the book imo.



They're at an Opera house in Beunos Aires - Barney's dating a lecturer, and is on a mission to see every Vermeer in the world (which is a great touch, because it's obviously Hannibal that awoke such a desire, and it's because of the money Barney makes from secretely selling Lecter merchandise that he can afford to do all this!). Barney sees Clarice and Hannibal with a telescope at the opera (he and his date are way up in the rafters). Barney sees Lecter turning round, as if he noticed him, and hides himself under the programme and leaves Argentina that night. We're told that the Vermeer in Beunos Aires is the only one Barney never saw.

After that, there's another, brief chapter on Hannibal and Clarice. We're not explicitly told that he's abandoned cannibalism, but they do have an active sex and Clarice is really into being penetrated ("Sex is a splendid structure they add to every day"). It's emphasised that Clarice hasn't been drugged for a while, and the dynamic of the relationship owes much to the possibility of Clarice to scare/surprise Hannibal. All that suggests he's no longer into cannibalism. Plus, if you work out the dates, Hannibal must be very late sixties by the book's ending (set at the millennium) , and even serial killers have to retire someday [;)]




Discodez -> RE: Hannibal (6/9/2012 12:08:34 PM)


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Well, at the end they're basically living like a rich, glamorous couple, in a big house with servants and the like, travelling, seeing art, dancing and so on. Barney runs into them in Beunos Aires. However, I can't recall the end exactly, so will look it up and get back to you!

I loved all the Hannibal in Florence stuff. Thematically, it's also where the book is at its best (dealing with corruption, relating it to Clarice's idealism which hasn't got her far, career wise).


I remember that, he spots them from the balconey of his hotel room doesn't he? (and then does a runner because he's scared Hannibal has seen him or something).

I loved the Florence bit too, it's the best bit of both the film and the book imo.



They're at an Opera house in Beunos Aires - Barney's dating a lecturer, and is on a mission to see every Vermeer in the world (which is a great touch, because it's obviously Hannibal that awoke such a desire, and it's because of the money Barney makes from secretely selling Lecter merchandise that he can afford to do all this!). Barney sees Clarice and Hannibal with a telescope at the opera (he and his date are way up in the rafters). Barney sees Lecter turning round, as if he noticed him, and hides himself under the programme and leaves Argentina that night. We're told that the Vermeer in Beunos Aires is the only one Barney never saw.

After that, there's another, brief chapter on Hannibal and Clarice. We're not explicitly told that he's abandoned cannibalism, but they do have an active sex and Clarice is really into being penetrated ("Sex is a splendid structure they add to every day"). It's emphasised that Clarice hasn't been drugged for a while, and the dynamic of the relationship owes much to the possibility of Clarice to scare/surprise Hannibal. All that suggests he's no longer into cannibalism. Plus, if you work out the dates, Hannibal must be very late sixties by the book's ending (set at the millennium) , and even serial killers have to retire someday [;)]


Thanks for the clarification mate, I know my copy of the book is around somewhere...

Yes he would have been knocking on a bit by the end of the book, but my dad is 65 and as fit as a fiddle (did a half marathon in under 1 hour 45 last year) and stong as an ox. There's absolutley no reason why a fit Hannibal couldn't carry on killing for years to come (especially with a young accomplice), an idea I actually quite like! [:D]




cerebusboy -> RE: Hannibal (6/9/2012 12:25:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Discodez


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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


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ORIGINAL: Discodez


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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


Well, at the end they're basically living like a rich, glamorous couple, in a big house with servants and the like, travelling, seeing art, dancing and so on. Barney runs into them in Beunos Aires. However, I can't recall the end exactly, so will look it up and get back to you!

I loved all the Hannibal in Florence stuff. Thematically, it's also where the book is at its best (dealing with corruption, relating it to Clarice's idealism which hasn't got her far, career wise).


I remember that, he spots them from the balconey of his hotel room doesn't he? (and then does a runner because he's scared Hannibal has seen him or something).

I loved the Florence bit too, it's the best bit of both the film and the book imo.



They're at an Opera house in Beunos Aires - Barney's dating a lecturer, and is on a mission to see every Vermeer in the world (which is a great touch, because it's obviously Hannibal that awoke such a desire, and it's because of the money Barney makes from secretely selling Lecter merchandise that he can afford to do all this!). Barney sees Clarice and Hannibal with a telescope at the opera (he and his date are way up in the rafters). Barney sees Lecter turning round, as if he noticed him, and hides himself under the programme and leaves Argentina that night. We're told that the Vermeer in Beunos Aires is the only one Barney never saw.

After that, there's another, brief chapter on Hannibal and Clarice. We're not explicitly told that he's abandoned cannibalism, but they do have an active sex and Clarice is really into being penetrated ("Sex is a splendid structure they add to every day"). It's emphasised that Clarice hasn't been drugged for a while, and the dynamic of the relationship owes much to the possibility of Clarice to scare/surprise Hannibal. All that suggests he's no longer into cannibalism. Plus, if you work out the dates, Hannibal must be very late sixties by the book's ending (set at the millennium) , and even serial killers have to retire someday [;)]


Thanks for the clarification mate, I know my copy of the book is around somewhere...

Yes he would have been knocking on a bit by the end of the book, but my dad is 65 and as fit as a fiddle (did a half marathon in under 1 hour 45 last year) and stong as an ox. There's absolutley no reason why a fit Hannibal couldn't carry on killing for years to come (especially with a young accomplice), an idea I actually quite like! [:D]



Sounds a bit Bonnie and Clyde! I know people will say that Clarice falling for Hannibal is so implausible that you might as well make her a cannibal sidekick, but I disagree. Hannibal was a proper ending for the whole series - it makes more sense to me, especially given the stuff with Mischa, that he's abandoned the cannibalism. I remember the line about Hannibal in Florence, saying that he's got a great life here and has "hardly killed anyone" (which is a bit droll, true) to avoid attracting unnecessary attention. There's no evidence that Clarice has any cannibalistic urges (she's drugged at the Kendler scene - and remember that the drugs that Hannibal steals from the hospital are very serious shit, and we know he's got enough with combining pharmaceuticals that he gave Mason Verger a "popper" that made him tear off his own face). I don't see Lecter doing cannibalism and keeping it from Clarice, and I don't see her being ok if he was like "I'm off for some facial cheeses".

OT, but there's a famous Japanese guy who committed cannibalism in France and got away with it due to paperwork being muddled between the two countries. He's still around, and is a minor celebrity.




jackcarter -> ??? (16/11/2012 7:13:17 PM)

anyone seen this again after Prometheus?




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