Rgirvan44 -> RE: Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins (10/3/2008 1:00:12 PM)
Both Terminator 2 and 3 are redundant.
I think Terminator is a masterclass of economical writing and tension. It is perfect as a single film. The final shot is iconic.
Then they make a sequel. And while I don't hate the film I have to disagree with everyone who thinks it was the third film which cheapened the concept. From "Bad to the Bone" right through to "Now I know why you cry", T2 is brimming with cheesy moments.
It destroyed what was, even at the end, a dark dark film.
Could you please explain to me what that word even means - I'm starting to hear it a lot lately.
The Terminator was a fantastic film, no doubt. And while I've always preferred it to the sequel, Terminator 2 is its own masterclass - a masterclass in how to make a kickass sequel to a kickass original. You can't fault Cameron for that.
And yes, the second movie is more sentimental than the first. But it doesn't "cheapen" anything. In fact, it adds another dimension to the saga. Each film has its own merits and they excel for what they are.
Terminator 3, however, didn't know whether it was coming or going. It poked fun at the Terminator in outrageous ways, and it couldn't decide what sort of a film it wanted to be. It ended up being a highly diluted version of the second film.
Cameron actully put his foot down and basiclly stopped the idea of Skynet. I found that to be a slap in the face of the first film.
The first film says the future can be changed...but is it?
The second answers that and gives you no room to disagree. The Connors win, Skynet is no longer viable.
If you honestly think that, then you obviously didn't understand the ending.
T2 is every bit as chessy as T3 and every bit as redudant. But we forgive it because James Cameron made it. And yes, I do enjoy it - but last time I viewed it I rolled my eyes at a lot of it.
No, the reason Terminator 2 is liked so much more than Terminator 3 is because 2 was the better picture.
I fell in love with the first two Terminator movies before I began paying attention to the credits. Trust me - Terminator 2 is far superior to its successor.
Think about it - "Hasta La Vista. Baby" - I mean, we went from a robot with no emotion, that couldn't be reasoned with, to something which makes witty puns before it kills.
Yes. It's called a character arc.
The Terminator is becoming more human, taking on human traits.
That was the whole point.
So I enjoyed T3 on the same level as T2. Was it as well made? Nope - but I still believe Cameron to be one of the most techincally proficent directors out there and a hard act to follow. But it is in no way a sudden departure from the second film. Not by a long shot.
There's a very thin line to balance when you're dealing with humour in a Terminator film.
Cameron did it. Mostow didn't.
I will look forward to this new film, if only because it's about time we saw the Future War storyline play out. Its the only thing left to touch. And who knows, with Bale involved we may be onto a winner.
Then again... [:D]
Its dark in that "a storm is coming". We have seen the Terminator stopped but the Future War is still possible. For me that is a much more thematically satisfying ending than T2. Thank goodness Cameron didn't included the scenes of the future when JC is a senator.
T2 cut the balls off of the Terminator. Now he couldn't kill. Now he had puns (and "I'll be back is not a pun" - its a statement that clues the audience that something bad is about to go down) and at the end he is more "human".
The Terminator from the first one is barely recongised in T2. And yes I do now the plot contrivances of the rebels taking the machine and changing it. But give me a relentless killing machine any time of the day.
I have said that T2 is the better made film but I would actully say T3 has some funnier moments. Arnie telling them to calm down, Danes asking the Terminartor how John died after he just said he didn't want to know.
T2 is a distant relation of T1 - it and T3 have much more in common with each other than the first one.
The Terminator should not have a character arc. Arnie will no doubt have demanded it but its a machine and Cameron took away a lot of its danger in T2.
This makes me sound like I hate T2. I don't. I enjoy them all, but when I read people talking about T3 as if it was somehow a waterd down Terminator film, I have to point out that the process began in T2.