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Woger -> At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 12:31:59 PM)
Bryan Ferry in Nazi gaff. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070416/people_nm/britain_ferry_nazis_dc

Felix -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 12:36:16 PM)
So thats where his son gets it from... "What did the Nazis ever do for us?" "Well, we had some lovely rallies" "And they made great flags" "Ok, so apart from the rallies, the flags and the architecture, what did the Nazis do for us?" How did he think that his comments would result in anything other than uproar? [&:]

M -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 12:40:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Felix How did he think that his comments would result in anything other than uproar? [&:] I suppose he was hoping that whoever heard him make the comments could tell the difference between saying that Nazi iconography is striking and that the Nazis were right...

svgbdgr -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 12:41:24 PM)
[sm=34.gif]TER WAT!

ilovebeerme -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 12:44:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: M quote: ORIGINAL: Felix How did he think that his comments would result in anything other than uproar? [&:] I suppose he was hoping that whoever heard him make the comments could tell the difference between saying that Nazi iconography is striking and that the Nazis were right... And the reason he calls his home recording studio the Fuhrerbunker? [;)]

M -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 12:48:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ilovebeerme quote: ORIGINAL: M quote: ORIGINAL: Felix How did he think that his comments would result in anything other than uproar? [&:] I suppose he was hoping that whoever heard him make the comments could tell the difference between saying that Nazi iconography is striking and that the Nazis were right... And the reason he calls his home recording studio the Fuhrerbunker? [;)] [sm=happy07.gif] Seriously??? I guess that does put a more dubious slant on it! Roxy Music are still good though. [:D]

RockyWilcox -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 12:51:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ilovebeerme quote: ORIGINAL: M quote: ORIGINAL: Felix How did he think that his comments would result in anything other than uproar? [&:] I suppose he was hoping that whoever heard him make the comments could tell the difference between saying that Nazi iconography is striking and that the Nazis were right... And the reason he calls his home recording studio the Fuhrerbunker? [;)] I must admit, I did feel sympathetic until I read what he called his home recording studio.

sanchia -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 6:25:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RockyWilcox quote: ORIGINAL: ilovebeerme quote: ORIGINAL: M quote: ORIGINAL: Felix How did he think that his comments would result in anything other than uproar? [&:] I suppose he was hoping that whoever heard him make the comments could tell the difference between saying that Nazi iconography is striking and that the Nazis were right... And the reason he calls his home recording studio the Fuhrerbunker? [;)] I must admit, I did feel sympathetic until I read what he called his home recording studio. Pretty much my thoughts as well. It came across as a storm in a teacup until you hear that one. After that he comes across as a complete idiot although it shows a surprisingly naive arrogance to actually admit it.

The2ndRing -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 6:28:16 PM)
What an idiot

PatBateman -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 6:29:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ilovebeerme quote: ORIGINAL: M quote: ORIGINAL: Felix How did he think that his comments would result in anything other than uproar? [&:] I suppose he was hoping that whoever heard him make the comments could tell the difference between saying that Nazi iconography is striking and that the Nazis were right... And the reason he calls his home recording studio the Fuhrerbunker? [;)] Because he's clearly a Nazi sympathiser. It's obvious now. Burn him! [&o]

Dragon Lady -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 6:38:02 PM)
quote: "I'm talking about the films of Leni Riefenstahl and the buildings of Albert Speer and the mass marches and the flags -- just fantastic. Really beautiful." He stated clearly enough what he was talking about,what's the fuss? Did he say Hitler was a great bloke or the gas chambers were just a bit of fun? No.Lemmy from Motorhead collects Nazi memorabilia don't see anyone getting in an uproar about that. People do get upset easily.Take a quote out of context and all kinds of things can be misinterpreted. God forbid anyone should be alowed an opinion these days for fear of offending someone.Just as well Freddie Starr doesn't have a show anymore.[;)]

Harry Lime -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 7:04:54 PM)
He does have a point though. The Nazi propaganda machine owed much to the iconography that the likes of Riefenstahl and Speer thrust upon the World. I mean, watch Riefenstahl's Triumph Of The Will. It may have been used to glorify a truly sickening ethos, but as a work of art it is engrossing, emotive and technically exquisite. The rallies themselves were truly stunning. Perfectly orchestrated to put over the precise image that Hitler and Goebbels (who fully grasped the power of the still reletively new medium of film) wanted to reflect the strength, efficiency and popularism of the Nazi party. The same goes for Speer and his grand vision of Germany. Even, in a thousand years, the ruins of his buildings would, he claimed, be magnificent. Hell, even the Nazi Flag and swastika is a work of art. Perhaps the most potent non-religious symbol that man has ever created. Blood red, black on white. Throughout the 1930's and early 40's it was used to striking effect across Europe and became a rallying point for facism. One, in terms of reaction, that exceeded (and continues to exceed) the image of Adolf Hitler himself. In propoganda terms, their achievements were not only admirable; they were remarkable. It's just a shame they were used to deliver such an evil message. And it's a shame that Ferry's adulation of these achievements seem to go a little further than the aesthetic.

Vertigo...Woo.Yay. -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 7:57:22 PM)
Point of order: it was Mussolini and trains, not Hitler and buses. Coat. Leaving. Now.

Tech_Noir -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 8:22:44 PM)
Nazi destroyed the swastika symbol, which has been with Hinduism for thousands of years.

Your Funny Uncle -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 8:25:15 PM)
That's debatable, you could argue made the swastika, I bet a lot of people had never seen one before the Nazis adopted it.

sharkboy -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 8:46:42 PM)
Anyone west of the Danube at least - a few million people further east may have been more familiar with it! I'm not to sure how reliable the source was, but I do remember reading that the arms of the hindu swastika indicate a clockwise rotation, symbolising peace and love. The nazi swastika rotates anti-clockwise, apparently a deliberate ploy by the occult-obsessed fuhrer to pervert all that was good. Of course, items written by numerologists and kabalists should generally be taken with a pinch of salt...

foz -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (17/4/2007 9:17:29 PM)
Not quite true - the anticlockwise-rotating cross of the swastika which the Nazis use is the correct positive rotation, as it brings complete harmony/victory. If it's rotating clockwise, then it is said to bring complete destruction and annihilation, which is why nobody uses it. It has been said that the undoing of Hitler and all his naughty friends was the Swastika itself, as it is believed that such evil could not possibly thrive under an all-powerful symbol for good and of perfect Humanity, and was ultimately defeated by the symbol that they marched under. And that nice Mr. Churchill as well. And it was far from an unknown symbol in Western Europe before the Nazis got hold of it - it was used in the US as a symbol of good luck, as these "lucky cent" special coins and Coca-Cola bottle-opener from the early 1900s illustrate: [image]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/162347/coke.jpg[/image] [image]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/162347/coins_01.jpg[/image] Anyway, Brian Ferry, eh? Certainly makes you wonder what Manifesto was really about...[:D] Then again, "man says that powerful imagery is quite powerful" isn't especially newsworthy at the best of times.

Kilo_T_Mortal -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (18/4/2007 8:51:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vertigo...Woo.Yay. Point of order: it was Mussolini and trains, not Hitler and buses. Coat. Leaving. Now. or did he... http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.htm

Super Hans -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (18/4/2007 11:26:10 AM)
What he said was pretty much true - how else did the Nazis convince enough people that they were right? Ferry came across as having a little bit too much admiration for the Nazis but there is a difference between a) acknowledging that Hitler was a very effective leader and that they were very lavish with all the propaganda and b) actually agreeing with and condoning the evil deeds they carried out. I can understand the Jewish leaders kicking up such a storm since its understandably a particularly sensitive area for them but I do think its all been blown out of proportion.

tarantinofan -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (18/4/2007 12:11:00 PM)
I think its more of the fact the iconagraphy stands for something terrible and disturbing...the mass marches weren't beautiful, they showed hundred saluting the death of of millions, they weren't 'fantastic' From an art point the buildings aren't beautiful in my opinion merely objects that are a metaphor for evil on a grand scale.

Vertigo...Woo.Yay. -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (18/4/2007 12:43:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kilo_T_Mortal quote: ORIGINAL: Vertigo...Woo.Yay. Point of order: it was Mussolini and trains, not Hitler and buses. Coat. Leaving. Now. or did he... http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.htm 'O' Level History lied to me! Bastards! quote: [image]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/162347/coke.jpg[/image] "Hi, Brad... yes, it's just that we wanted to talk to you about your latest brand campaign. We don't think it's quite sending out the right consumer message..."

TheManWithNoShame -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (18/4/2007 12:45:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tarantinofan I think its more of the fact the iconagraphy stands for something terrible and disturbing...the mass marches weren't beautiful, they showed hundred saluting the death of of millions, they weren't 'fantastic' From an art point the buildings aren't beautiful in my opinion merely objects that are a metaphor for evil on a grand scale. I have to disagree there. Lots of works of art were commisioned by the Catholic Church which was at the time an extremely corrupt institution, and that does not stop me from seeing the beauty in their churches and paintings. The same should be applied to the Nazi regime as well. I dont know much about Nazi art, but to deny their isnt an awesomeness to their parades is frankly wrong. No wonder Riefenstahls evocative and powerful images of Nuremburg are copied still to this day, most notably in Star Wars during the medal ceremony (a beautiful sequence I might add). Yes their message was wrong, but you cant help but admire the ingenuity of their propaganda whilst being simultaneously disgusted.

tarantinofan -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (18/4/2007 12:51:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheManWithNoShame quote: ORIGINAL: tarantinofan I think its more of the fact the iconagraphy stands for something terrible and disturbing...the mass marches weren't beautiful, they showed hundred saluting the death of of millions, they weren't 'fantastic' From an art point the buildings aren't beautiful in my opinion merely objects that are a metaphor for evil on a grand scale. I have to disagree there. Lots of works of art were commisioned by the Catholic Church which was at the time an extremely corrupt institution, and that does not stop me from seeing the beauty in their churches and paintings. The same should be applied to the Nazi regime as well. I dont know much about Nazi art, but to deny their isnt an awesomeness to their parades is frankly wrong. No wonder Riefenstahls evocative and powerful images of Nuremburg are copied still to this day, most notably in Star Wars during the medal ceremony (a beautiful sequence I might add). Yes their message was wrong, but you cant help but admire the ingenuity of their propaganda whilst being simultaneously disgusted. I think to an extent you can admire them, but I wouldn't use the adjective, beautiful. Like it states in the report, it was his choice of language that was distastefull.

Jonny 5 Eyes -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (18/4/2007 3:35:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tarantinofan quote: ORIGINAL: TheManWithNoShame quote: ORIGINAL: tarantinofan I think its more of the fact the iconagraphy stands for something terrible and disturbing...the mass marches weren't beautiful, they showed hundred saluting the death of of millions, they weren't 'fantastic' From an art point the buildings aren't beautiful in my opinion merely objects that are a metaphor for evil on a grand scale. I have to disagree there. Lots of works of art were commisioned by the Catholic Church which was at the time an extremely corrupt institution, and that does not stop me from seeing the beauty in their churches and paintings. The same should be applied to the Nazi regime as well. I dont know much about Nazi art, but to deny their isnt an awesomeness to their parades is frankly wrong. No wonder Riefenstahls evocative and powerful images of Nuremburg are copied still to this day, most notably in Star Wars during the medal ceremony (a beautiful sequence I might add). Yes their message was wrong, but you cant help but admire the ingenuity of their propaganda whilst being simultaneously disgusted. I think to an extent you can admire them, but I wouldn't use the adjective, beautiful. Like it states in the report, it was his choice of language that was distastefull. I certainly wouldn't use 'Admire' as a suitable reation to Nazi propaganda!! Acknowledge its effectiveness and power maybe, but 'admire'...never!

tarantinofan -> RE: At least Hitler had the buses run on time (18/4/2007 3:49:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jonny 5 Eyes quote: ORIGINAL: tarantinofan quote: ORIGINAL: TheManWithNoShame quote: ORIGINAL: tarantinofan I think its more of the fact the iconagraphy stands for something terrible and disturbing...the mass marches weren't beautiful, they showed hundred saluting the death of of millions, they weren't 'fantastic' From an art point the buildings aren't beautiful in my opinion merely objects that are a metaphor for evil on a grand scale. I have to disagree there. Lots of works of art were commisioned by the Catholic Church which was at the time an extremely corrupt institution, and that does not stop me from seeing the beauty in their churches and paintings. The same should be applied to the Nazi regime as well. I dont know much about Nazi art, but to deny their isnt an awesomeness to their parades is frankly wrong. No wonder Riefenstahls evocative and powerful images of Nuremburg are copied still to this day, most notably in Star Wars during the medal ceremony (a beautiful sequence I might add). Yes their message was wrong, but you cant help but admire the ingenuity of their propaganda whilst being simultaneously disgusted. I think to an extent you can admire them, but I wouldn't use the adjective, beautiful. Like it states in the report, it was his choice of language that was distastefull. I certainly wouldn't use 'Admire' as a suitable reation to Nazi propaganda!! Acknowledge its effectiveness and power maybe, but 'admire'...never! maybe everyone just needs some dictionary revision.

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