| 1 | No Kyle Reese No John Connor ............ |
| Posted on Thursday January 14, 2010, 16:24 by thom7592 |
Basically you know john connor sends back kyle reese to protect sarah connor were they eventually have sex resulting in john connors birth well kyle reese was only sent back once meaning in the the timeline leading up to kyle reese being sent back he sarah connor and kyle reese never meet he is like 6 i nthe sarah connor cronicles when derek the brother of kyle reese(thought this is never mentioned in any of the films) see them in the past meaning kyle is too young in the present to be johns father so who the hell is plus why didnt skynet just send the most advanced terminator (being that of terminator 3 personally) back to before sarah connor is born to just destroy her mum lol seriously terminator just contradicts itself and relys on alternate timelines as and excuse for there weak research on there own films lol Read More
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| 2 | He is the T800 |
| Posted on Tuesday June 16, 2009, 18:17 by beverage42 |
In reply to the supposed mistake...Arnie's Terminator is a T800 model 101. The 101 refers to the T800's Arnie like appearance (a model 102 would be the same series of Terminator but wouldn't look like Arnie). Read More
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| 3 | RE: Terminator Movies Explained in Four Paragraphs |
| Posted on Sunday June 14, 2009, 22:36 by three1ne |
Im certainly not a viewer that likes to have a whole film explained in layman's terms. Its great when a film keeps your brain active for days after. But, when we are expected to know/comprehend that time doesnt actually travel in straight lines and the story (according to Cameron) deals with N Jumps, then this needs to be explained through the characters in the film.
Also, I dont really care for all of the 'parallel' universes/timeline stories as.. well.. who cares. For example, place yourself in this situation, without necessarily the Terminator series in mind, just from a normal, everyday situation/story.
- dont do X in your current universe (1) then your parallel self with die in universe (2). Do you actually really care? do do X in your current universe (1) then your parallel self with survive in universe (2) but youll die in universe (1). Do you actually really care?
ow can you care for a character whos trying to change the outcome for a parallel universe? We, as nRead More
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| 4 | WTF? |
| Posted on Saturday June 13, 2009, 06:05 by Luzhell |
Must not think, brain melting...
I know the people that produce Terminator have absolutely NO consideration for the timeline, but by this point this story has so many temporal paradoxes that is a miracle the universe doesn't collapse.
The only solution that I can think of is that maybe there are several parallel timelines created by this disaster, and that they are modified and recreated with each time travel, specially the "Sarah Connor Chronicles." Read More
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| 5 | Huh? |
| Posted on Thursday June 11, 2009, 17:23 by RachelH46 |
I know you guys have put a lot of effort into this but I'm still confused! :S Read More
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| 6 | a mistake EMPIRE has made here.... |
| Posted on Thursday June 11, 2009, 16:44 by ptolemy |
Arnold's Terminator is model T-101, not 800! Read More
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| 7 | Let's Start the First Time Shall we |
| Posted on Thursday June 11, 2009, 16:25 by illbEbaCk |
Sorry, supposed to say......."who the hell was his father the first time around".........below Read More
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| 8 | Let's Start the First Time Shall we |
| Posted on Thursday June 11, 2009, 16:24 by illbEbaCk |
Sorry, supposed to say......."who the hell was his father the first time around".........below Read More
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| 9 | Let's Start the First Time Shall we |
| Posted on Thursday June 11, 2009, 16:21 by illbEbaCk |
Time may not be linear, but it all had to happen a first time. John Connor was born, grew up, became the leader of the resistance, and sent Kyle Reese back to protect his mother. So maybe Kyle Reese is John's father the second time around....but, who the hell was his father the second time around?
Because Salvation was as crappy as it was....at the end while on the medic table, I kept waiting for John to say......"Kyle.....you are my father" in ode to Darth Vader colloquium. Read More
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| 10 | Too confusing |
| Posted on Thursday June 11, 2009, 01:31 by redrose_55 |
I have watched all the Terminator movies.And what confused me was. How it all started.When I try to think how John 's dad is from the future and his mom is from now. But I think how Skynet knew to go after Kyle in the future .I think it was Milles Dyson .Son who took over Skynet to get even with John by trying to kill Kyle in the future.So his dad wouldnt be killed.It seems like it goes in one big circle.But I think someone else had to be Johns dad.Because Kyle told Sarah that when the people were being killed in a factory .John stood up to the terminators and fought back. And in T3 the T-800 told John he was going to be killed by him.Ok this is my idea.But Im looking forward to see what the next Terminator movie is going to be like .Maybe Skynet will send a Terminator to try to kill Sarahs mom. next???When someone ever figures out how all this makes sence let me know please. Read More
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| 11 | A bigger problem... |
| Posted on Tuesday June 9, 2009, 12:56 by douglasmain |
I'm more concerned with how Empire managed to give Terminator Salvation 4 stars than this timeline shit. What a steaming pile of a turd of a film. Who reviews these things these days, 4 year old idiots? Read More
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| 12 | meh |
| Posted on Sunday June 7, 2009, 13:55 by freekedoutfish |
They really should have just had the sense to actually combine the cannon from all 3 franchise so it made sense. The first two films don't make sense along side aspects of TSCC, and now the new film doesnt make sense along with either of those two.
Was it really too much to ask that these people communicate with one another? Read More
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| 13 | A better way... |
| Posted on Sunday June 7, 2009, 01:27 by steinivalda |
http://io9.com/5192446/a-whiteboard-that-explains-termi nators-entire-history
I think this is a simpler way of explaining things, take a look... Read More
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| 14 | Try This |
| Posted on Saturday June 6, 2009, 11:41 by cahoopuk |
The reason people find these concepts so difficult to understand, especially the whole 'Kyle Reese as John's Dad' argument is because we're all brought up to believe that time is linear, hence a timeline. Time however, is not linear, it only seems it because we measure it. Time is actually circular and everything is happening all the time. There is no beginning and there is no end, Kyle was John's dad before John sent him back, because it's all happening at the same time! Read More
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| Posted on Saturday June 6, 2009, 11:21 by Sequels Not Prequels |
It's all a load of old shite really - should have left it at T2; they might think they're padding out the whole timeline, in reality they're diluting it, making shit up as they go along Read More
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| 16 | Really? |
| Posted on Friday June 5, 2009, 16:55 by mroz22 |
I can appreciate the effort, but this timeline is very poorly constructed. This is like Terminator for dummies style. There is no consideration for future events altering the past and then the past altering the future timelines.
The Connor from McG's Salvation is the Connor that survived both Terminator attacks (tech. all three but McG hate crazy hate for T3). And the Connor from T2 survived the first attack and etc. But in reality (Terminator reality) the timelines runs as an overlapping change of events.
In this sample, they have Judgment Day happening in 1997 and 2004, obviously not possible.
After John sends Kyle back for the first time, Skynet now is aware of the importance of Kyle Reese and must take him out in the newly created future. The reason Kyle wasn't targeted in T2 or T3 because Kyle wasn't even born yet. So when he survaces in T4, he's primary target #1.
I have so much more but don't feel like writting. haha.
-Roz
www.liveyoungordie.blogspot.com Read More
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| 17 | I know i am just being picky now |
| Posted on Friday June 5, 2009, 16:54 by EChris |
Ive tryed on many occassions to think about the point you raise 'captainamazing' and yes they would be two different people technically but like you said, they sent reece back but as in salvation john connor is clearly older than reece so john connor must have had a different father to begin with all together, and yeah i suppose he wudnt dissappear if he went back and killed his younger self, i suppose we will never know what would have happened...........they are great films and i do sometimes wish they had left it just as the first two or maybe got james cameron to direct the third. Another issue I have with the third apart from the fact that the TX is clearly not as cool as the T1000, is the whole idea that arnie's character is a completely different T800 and he doesnt remeber john connor as a boy etc, but then why does he get in the truck pull down the sun visor and get the keys to start the truck (thats what john connor taught him in T2) yes i am being picky but i do love these fiRead More
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| 18 | Technically, anything can change |
| Posted on Friday June 5, 2009, 14:57 by captainamazing |
Beginning with the first film, Skynet existed to create judgement day and the whole war before Kyle/T-800 mk1 were sent back. It's a bit of a paradox, but the future must have existed first so that it could send people back to create it. It didn't take John Conner to make Skynet in that film.
The only logical way time travel can work is if each alteration creates a parallel universe (see the new Trek film (and Empire's spot-on Kobayashi Maru reboot blog) as an example). So before Kyle went back someone else would’ve been John’s dad. It just so happened that in the universe created by the incidents of the first film’s time-travelling, Kyle took that role and the future was altered somewhat. Which does and should happen in every film.
You can't expect each film to pan out as they were described by the preceeding film's time-traveller. They could be entirely different. If John Conner travelled backwards and killed himself as a boy, he wouldn't disappear, because inRead More
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| Posted on Friday June 5, 2009, 13:35 by Joffster |
The only gap that I can see in the new movie is this; In the Salvation John Connor and Kyle Reese are high priority kills. MCG has failed to fill in the gap explaining how Skynet in 2018 new that they had to kill them both as neither were significantly important at that point. The other times that Terminators had been sent back were from points in time when clearly John Connor posed a threat The only way Skynet could have known in 2018 of their future importance is for a terminator to be sent back in time with that information. Am I missing something or does this sound right??? Despite this, I loved Salvation and think its been long overdue. Pity it wasn't made a little earlier so we could have had the real Arnie in it! Read More
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| 20 | They are great films........enjoy and try not to think to much into it |
| Posted on Friday June 5, 2009, 10:59 by EChris |
I agree completely with 'pothw' T3 and SCC don't match, but ive re-read the timeline twice now and it is flowing and making alot more sense than it was. The first two terminator movies are amazing, so enjoy them and try not to think too much into the whole thing as it will just pickle up your head, I watched the new t-salvation movie on wed, its better than T3 but not the first movies, im sure there will be 2 more to come just to make it even more complicated. And 'biggingeryeti' no its not real but its sure entertaining! Read More
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| Posted on Friday June 5, 2009, 02:42 by biggingeryeti |
Plus I'd rather pretend that SCC didn't exist, it's awful. Read More
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| Posted on Friday June 5, 2009, 02:41 by biggingeryeti |
There is an easy way to explain all this: IT'S NOT REAL! Read More
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| 23 | its not really that complicated.. |
| Posted on Thursday June 4, 2009, 22:31 by pothw |
the only reason its so complicated is T3 and SCC don't match.
If you presume T3 never excisted then its makes sence and also means you don't have to rememmber what a drab awful film it was. Read More
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| 24 | its not really that complicated.. |
| Posted on Thursday June 4, 2009, 21:25 by pothw |
the only reason its so complicated is T3 and SCC don't match.
If you presume T3 never excisted then its makes sence and also means you don't have to rememmber what a drab awful film it was. Read More
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| 25 | Like someone else said, 'Whatever happened, happened' |
| Posted on Thursday June 4, 2009, 10:42 by taskmaster |
It's a loop. Everything that has happened was going to happen anyway. In T2 you see that Cyberdyne is basing all of their technology on the terminato arm and chip from the original model sent back. The creation of the Terminators is exactly the same as the creation of John Connor. If John never sent Kyle back, he would never be born, and if the Terminator was never sent back, the chip would never have been found and Skynet would never have been created. Its a loop that can't be changed.
In fact, the best ever example of this kind of time travel is from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure when they say that some point in the future, they will go back in time and set up the bin trap and put the keys in the bush. By saying they will do it, they make it so, and therefore HAVE to do it in the future. Read More
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| 26 | what about when reese was arrested... |
| Posted on Thursday June 4, 2009, 01:14 by adammiller2k |
he said that the time machine was destroyed after he and arnie were sent back in the first movie, "no-one else gets through. it's just me and him."
so, how the fudge did the rest of the movies happen? they made it pretty clear that the time machine was something pretty special in the first movie, so did they just find a new one? or collect parts from a monthly magazine and build one? basically, its a collection of movies (and a tv series) by 3 different directors each putting the importance of making money over the importance of continuity...i have nothing against that t-2 is awesome! (but not as good as the first...stone me if you like but old models look better than old cgi) Read More
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| 27 | Nope, forget 'timelines'. |
| Posted on Wednesday June 3, 2009, 22:34 by thewtam |
The basic problem is that you are all thinking in terms of a timeline. It has been suggested by some of the great thinkers, Einstein included I think, that time does not travel in a straight line. Time itself is curved. Maybe even circular. It is considered the forth dimension. I will stand corrected but Einstein I think also postulated that time can be represented as a single point. The past, present and future co-existing. You simply have to unshackle your thinking about time being a line.
So, in the case of the 'original' father, Kyle is the original father.
Think of time as being rooms in a house. Infinite rooms. You create your own timeline through those rooms by moving from one to another, in doing so you meet other people whose personal timelines cross yours, maybe multiple times.
At the moment the human race is moving from one room to another together. We have not yet worked out how to break from that rigidity. If we did chaos as we understand and perceive cRead More
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| 28 | More holes than swiss cheese! |
| Posted on Wednesday June 3, 2009, 20:21 by Sphinx |
Thanks largely to SCC - Which I have given up watching - Is the third movie gonna deal with Connor's death then? After all this fuss he dies anyway? One of the many reasons why I don't like T3 - it's a pointless revelation which may or may not be taken into account with a possible threequel Read More
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| 29 | RE: RE: |
| Posted on Wednesday June 3, 2009, 19:02 by simeikle1984 |
You guys are looking at this fromthe wrong angle. In T1 we learn from Kyle that john gave him the picture of his mother and sent himback in time(because John already knew that Kyle was his father) ergo there never was an "original father" as the original timeline had JC sending back Kyle to be his daddy. John and the resistance new that tampering with time affects the future, they always hoped to avert judgement, however, as I just said, because in the original timeline John was sending back Kyle there was never any way of stopping the machines, just hoping they could either cripple them or make them dumber than a box of rocks to give us a fighting chance, however in every timeline they f**k up so if we have learnt anything from the terminator it's that scientists can't be trusted(neither can army dudes), if you send someone back in time don't give them a picture of your mother, if you travel back in time don't sleep with your own mother(oh wait...wrong film)...um...yeah and never truRead More
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| 30 | RE: RE: |
| Posted on Wednesday June 3, 2009, 14:15 by Jack P |
L: grucl
Not only did Reese replace John's original father with himself, his travel also jump-started the development of Skynet by leaving the arm and the CPU chip at Cyberdyne.
In the original timeline Skynet must have had a different developer or it must at least have taken longer to build it without the hardware from the future.
h thats what I thought as well, it would also explain why Judgement Day always seems to "happen" because if they never kill/stop the origonal creator they'll never avoid Judgement day. (I havn't seen TSCC though so maybe thats a story line) Read More
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| 31 | RE: RE: |
| Posted on Wednesday June 3, 2009, 12:24 by grucl |
L: Jack P
I've always thought what would make more sense (using the term lightly be if John Connor was fathered by some other guy in the past, this John would grow up to be the hero then send Kyle Reese to look after his mother, Kyle then farthers a child with Sarah.
This would'nt be the same child as the "first" John Connor but was named John because Kyle told Sarah that would be his name, then the same events would repeat themselves over again except this time the new John connor would send his father back knowing he had to. ote]
Not only did Reese replace John's original father with himself, his travel also jump-started the development of Skynet by leaving the arm and the CPU chip at Cyberdyne.
In the original timeline Skynet must have had a different developer or it must at least have taken longer to build it without the hardware from the future. Read More
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| 32 | brain melt |
| Posted on Wednesday June 3, 2009, 12:16 by kinkiwizard |
Fuck it! i cant get my head round this, Just hope the film is as good as i hope. Read More
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| 33 | RE: Terminator Movies Explained in Four Paragraphs |
| Posted on Wednesday June 3, 2009, 11:50 by Steper1 |
i think the easiest way to explain it, is that it was fate that john connor would send him back. He knew that in the past kyle was sent back to protect him and father him, so in the future he learns (and knows) that he himself is the one that has to send him back in order for him to survive.
remember if skynet hadn't of learnt how to time travel there wouldnt of been a need to do so. But because they did history was changed and whoever john's original father is well is no more.
Thats it. You time travel, you fuck up history and mess with peoples heads Read More
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| 34 | Terminator Movies Explained in Four Paragraphs |
| Posted on Wednesday June 3, 2009, 05:24 by newguy |
Terminator Movies Explained in Four Paragraphs
http://www.movienewz.com/2009/05/24/termina tor-movie-explained-in-four-paragraphs/ Read More
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| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 22:24 by kenobibax |
The John Conner that sent Reese back in time is not the same John Conner we have now, that's how it can happen, because Reese went back and concieved new John messing up the timeline, Sarah never met John's orignal father because of the events of the first film messing up the timeline. Read More
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| 36 | RE: RE: |
| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 22:14 by Jack P |
L: Anduril666
This comes under the same principle that they use to explain time travel on Lost - "Whatever happened, happened". John Connor was born because Kyle Reese (at 2029 John's order/request) traveled back in time to conceive him with Sarah Cannor: this always happened. Even though Connor was born first, Kyle Reese was o end up travelling back in time to concieve him, because if he hadn't then Connor simply would not exist. Does that make sense?
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I've always thought what would make more sense (using the term lightly be if John Connor was fathered by some other guy in the past, this John would grow up to be the hero then send Kyle Reese to look after his mother, Kyle then farthers a child with Sarah.
This would'nt be the same child as the "first" John Connor but was named John because Kyle told Sarah that would be his name, then the same events would repeat themselves over again except this time the new JohRead More
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| 37 | By Terminator 10 their will be volumes of this crud! |
| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 20:42 by Funk |
Lets face facts, the terminator timeline from T3 and through TSCC has been twisted and abused to 'make money' and 'make money and a new creative version'!
John Connor was born in the 80s so there should not be TSCC really (ahem very old looking 16yr conner in that one). Read More
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| 38 | RE: The Complete Terminator Timeline |
| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 18:32 by natman_begins |
Oh i see, well it was all so obvious. However did i not see it before? Read More
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| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 18:15 by nia_redgirl |
Im not suprised your heads turned to jelly, my brain hurst just reading it! Read More
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| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 17:54 by marlo |
It's all to do with causal loops and quantum universes (universi?) I think???!!!!! Read More
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| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 17:25 by Seamie |
Where does Captain Planet fit into all of this??! Read More
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| 42 | RE: |
| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 17:00 by Anduril666 |
This comes under the same principle that they use to explain time travel on Lost - "Whatever happened, happened". John Connor was born because Kyle Reese (at 2029 John's order/request) traveled back in time to conceive him with Sarah Cannor: this always happened. Even though Connor was born first, Kyle Reese was o end up travelling back in time to concieve him, because if he hadn't then Connor simply would not exist. Does that make sense?
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| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 15:59 by Zimbo |
I still dont understand how can Kyle Reese be Connor's father....didnt Connor had to be born 1st to grow up and then send Reese back in time to protect his mother... Read More
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| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 15:53 by sushiguru |
<head scratch>Ummm.</head scratch>
This probably makes sense to, say, the Wachowski bros, and no-one else. Still - whoever let good reason get in the way of a time-altered storyline. Clearly not the producers of the Terminator franchise... Read More
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| 45 | SCC |
| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 15:52 by shool |
It shows that SCC completely ignores T3 then. Since they have a totally different date for Judgement day and everything. Read More
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| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 15:48 by Windsmeare |
I think, after a few more stories, Judgement day 2 occurs, then Bobby Ewing steps out of the shower and says "Whats Family Guy?" Read More
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| 47 | WHAT THE F***!!!!! |
| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 15:47 by gavc1978 |
SURELY THERE HAS TO BE A EASIER WAY TO EXPLAIN THIS???? Read More
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| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 15:28 by mojokola |
Me too Read More
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| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 15:10 by mojokola |
Me too Read More
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| 50 | I am so confused. |
| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 15:04 by fuzzcaminski |
My brain realy hurts now Read More
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| Posted on Tuesday June 2, 2009, 15:00 by droo_face |
Well, this makes sense I suppose Read More
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