| 1 | RE: some points |
| Posted on Thursday June 10, 2010, 13:38 by clownfoot |
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L: Helen OHara
Actually gambit21, Britain = England + Wales. The Act of Union created Great Britain when Scotland was added... Don't mess with someone who studied constitutional law! ]
So it was actually Scotland that made Britain great? Sounds reasonable to me. ote]
Well, you have to take everything you can get after the fiasco of the Darien scheme... Read More
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| 2 | RE: some points |
| Posted on Thursday June 10, 2010, 13:23 by InvisibleDuncan |
L: Helen OHara
Actually gambit21, Britain = England + Wales. The Act of Union created Great Britain when Scotland was added... Don't mess with someone who studied constitutional law! ]
So it was actually Scotland that made Britain great? Sounds reasonable to me. Read More
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| 3 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Tuesday May 25, 2010, 01:43 by Deviation |
Eire is in Scotland? Read More
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| 4 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Monday May 24, 2010, 17:51 by swordsandsandals |
L: Funkyrae
L: swordsandsandals
L: Greagoir
fair play ta ya Mr. 44 for doing Mr. funks work for him... So to you mo chara, tá brón orm agus Deviation mo sean bláth, no ones defending the historical accuracy in Braveheart, think that was established at the beginning...
and a person who looks to protect and promote their cultural background and
Patriotism can be called a true Nationalist... Like MacKay... a True Scotsmanote]
Not that the lovely Rae needs me to defend her, but if we go by your definition of a true scotsman, point did Funkyrae do anything to suggest she wasn't?r is your description of a true scotsman merely a veiled hint that you have to be xenophobic?
o idea with that one either. Maybe it's because I occasionally wear knickers under my kilt. ote]
You might as well give money straight to the Queen that is so unScottish of you! Read More
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| 5 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Monday May 24, 2010, 16:57 by Funkyrae |
L: swordsandsandals
L: Greagoir
fair play ta ya Mr. 44 for doing Mr. funks work for him... So to you mo chara, tá brón orm agus Deviation mo sean bláth, no ones defending the historical accuracy in Braveheart, think that was established at the beginning...
and a person who looks to protect and promote their cultural background and
Patriotism can be called a true Nationalist... Like MacKay... a True Scotsmanote]
Not that the lovely Rae needs me to defend her, but if we go by your definition of a true scotsman, point did Funkyrae do anything to suggest she wasn't?r is your description of a true scotsman merely a veiled hint that you have to be xenophobic?
o idea with that one either. Maybe it's because I occasionally wear knickers under my kilt. Read More
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| 6 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Monday May 24, 2010, 14:13 by Greagoir |
I admire your honesty dan... i'll leave the arse kissing to you all the same...
regarding the dodgy knee and bad back, have you tried some physio?... Read More
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| 7 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Monday May 24, 2010, 14:10 by superdan |
Greagoir is right you know. I have dodgy knees and a bad back from all the bowing and scraping that I've had to do to the Crown (this was before I got locked in the box room, of course).
Though don't knock kissing a hag's arse until you've tried it... Read More
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| 8 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Monday May 24, 2010, 14:06 by Greagoir |
34GG Read More
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| 9 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Monday May 24, 2010, 14:02 by Felix |
You're a bit of a tit really, arent you... Read More
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| 10 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Monday May 24, 2010, 13:56 by Greagoir |
pologies all round to my learned friends... mr., mrs., ones whose lives revolve around a home computer locked away in their box rooms, vagabonds and lunatics, to all true Scotsmen(persons) and ones that would rather bow before a crown and kiss a hags arse, to one and all.... Tá brón orm...
hope that covers everyone... Read More
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| 11 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Monday May 24, 2010, 13:48 by elab49 |
It would seem so. Sadly we even have idiots joining things like the Scottish Defence league up here as well as the saddoes that think vandalising holiday cottages is cool. And at the other end of the rainbow we have the Scottish Government wasting tax money on subsidising 'foreign language' TV and universities oop north.
on who looks to protect and promote their cultural background
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Or in MacKay's case - make up shit? Read More
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| 12 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Monday May 24, 2010, 13:31 by swordsandsandals |
L: Greagoir
fair play ta ya Mr. 44 for doing Mr. funks work for him... So to you mo chara, tá brón orm agus Deviation mo sean bláth, no ones defending the historical accuracy in Braveheart, think that was established at the beginning...
and a person who looks to protect and promote their cultural background and
Patriotism can be called a true Nationalist... Like MacKay... a True Scotsmanote]
Not that the lovely Rae needs me to defend her, but if we go by your definition of a true scotsman, at what point did Funkyrae do anything to suggest she wasn't?
Or is your description of a true scotsman merely a veiled hint that you have to be xenophobic? Read More
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| 13 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Monday May 24, 2010, 13:05 by superdan |
Nationalism is soooo passé. Read More
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| 14 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Monday May 24, 2010, 12:46 by Greagoir |
fair play ta ya Mr. 44 for doing Mr. funks work for him... So to you mo chara, tá brón orm agus Deviation mo sean bláth, no ones defending the historical accuracy in Braveheart, think that was established at the beginning...
and a person who looks to protect and promote their cultural background and
Patriotism can be called a true Nationalist... Like MacKay... a True Scotsman Read More
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| 15 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 22:55 by elab49 |
No such things - everyone's a mix of DNA of all cultures. Unless you're a really remote culture, in which case your genes have probably been patented by a US biotech company anyway. Read More
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| 16 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 22:44 by swordsandsandals |
What is a true Scotsman? Read More
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| 17 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 22:36 by elab49 |
L: swordsandsandals
My parents were both born within an hour or two of London. I was born and brought up in York. Can BUT I have a soft spot for Braveheeart. Can I be a true scotsman?
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It's like the cliché about Man U fans and Manchester (everywhere but) Read More
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| 18 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 22:30 by Funkyrae |
There's always one oddball. Read More
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| 19 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 22:20 by Deviation |
L: Funkyrae
L: Deviation
Wait a second, people defending historical accuracy.......in BRAVEHEART?
o, only one person is.
eah I know that.son" didn't sound as good.
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| 20 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 22:08 by swordsandsandals |
My parents were both born within an hour or two of London. I was born and brought up in York. Can BUT I have a soft spot for Braveheeart. Can I be a true scotsman? Read More
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| 21 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 21:42 by Funkyrae |
L: Deviation
Wait a second, people defending historical accuracy.......in BRAVEHEART?
o, only one person is. Read More
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| 22 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 21:32 by Deviation |
Done like a true Scotsman Girv. Read More
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| 23 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 21:31 by paul_ie86 |
L: Rgirvan44
L: Greagoir
dear oh dear... given no facts...
I was given a link to a cheap looking thrown together website which claimed MacKay plagerised 'as many as four books'... I said I would, and will, apologise when you list them... Which you didn't... Great to see you keep tabs on peoples sexual preferences and religious beliefs though... to much time on your hands mate me thinks.... you seem like a half intelligent buachaill, we'll call a spade a spade and agree to disagree... its getting boring now...
suppose this article from the Scotsman wouldn't count either.
http://web.bham.ac.uk/forensic/news/99_00/scotsman.html
How about an article by one of writers he was "influenced"by?
http://hnn.us/articles/633.html
Oh hi other Scotsman article
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-18682898.html
So we have three cases mentioned right here. Lets keep going shall we?
Here is a Scottish historian knocking him for his WallRead More
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| 24 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 21:25 by Rgirvan44 |
L: Greagoir
dear oh dear... given no facts...
I was given a link to a cheap looking thrown together website which claimed MacKay plagerised 'as many as four books'... I said I would, and will, apologise when you list them... Which you didn't... Great to see you keep tabs on peoples sexual preferences and religious beliefs though... to much time on your hands mate me thinks.... you seem like a half intelligent buachaill, we'll call a spade a spade and agree to disagree... its getting boring now...
suppose this article from the Scotsman wouldn't count either.
http://web.bham.ac.uk/forensic/news/99_00/scotsman.html
How about an article by one of writers he was "influenced"by?
http://hnn.us/articles/633.html
Oh hi other Scotsman article
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-18682898.html
So we have three cases mentioned right here. Lets keep going shall we?
Here is a Scottish historian knocking him for his Wallace book
http://bRead More
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| 25 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 20:32 by Deviation |
Wait a second, people defending historical accuracy.......in BRAVEHEART? Read More
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| 26 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 19:55 by elab49 |
The NY Times is a cheap looking thrown together website?! Read More
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| 27 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 19:32 by Greagoir |
dear oh dear... was given no facts...
I was given a link to a cheap looking thrown together website which claimed MacKay plagerised 'as many as four books'... I said I would, and will, apologise when you list them... Which you didn't... Great to see you keep tabs on peoples sexual preferences and religious beliefs though... to much time on your hands mate me thinks.... you seem like a half intelligent buachaill, we'll call a spade a spade and agree to disagree... its getting boring now... Read More
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| 28 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 01:46 by swordsandsandals |
L: Funkyrae
L: Greagoir
wow.... "in as many as four books"???
so is it four? or one, two or three?? listing sorted? maybe not...
your wesite also states "...feeding frenzy resulting from academic colleagues jealous of Mackay's status..."
Jesus funk, that web site looks like a totally respectable and reliable source...
And yup I can guess which side... and you've made it totally obvious...
Slán go fóil mo chara....
ope, still don't think you're quite getting me but pionta domsa anyway.
As for your apologies, I can pretty much ascertain they're not coming soon. Something most of us around here guessed a while back. In fact the sweep for your apologies was up there with John Barrowman coming out as being straight and Keifer Sutherland becoming a born again Christian. For the record, I'm Irish, English and Scots. Work that one out if you can. When it boils down to it, you were given the facts, refused to acknowledge them and keep arguing the pathetiRead More
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| 29 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Sunday May 23, 2010, 01:14 by Funkyrae |
L: Greagoir
wow.... "in as many as four books"???
so is it four? or one, two or three?? listing sorted? maybe not...
your wesite also states "...feeding frenzy resulting from academic colleagues jealous of Mackay's status..."
Jesus funk, that web site looks like a totally respectable and reliable source...
And yup I can guess which side... and you've made it totally obvious...
Slán go fóil mo chara....
ope, still don't think you're quite getting me but pionta domsa anyway.
As for your apologies, I can pretty much ascertain they're not coming soon. Something most of us around here guessed a while back. In fact the sweep for your apologies was up there with John Barrowman coming out as being straight and Keifer Sutherland becoming a born again Christian. For the record, I'm Irish, English and Scots. Work that one out if you can. When it boils down to it, you were given the facts, refused to acknowledge them and keep arguing the pathetic stance you hold. SRead More
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| 30 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Saturday May 22, 2010, 21:44 by elab49 |
L: Greagoir
list them and I apologies with all my heart...
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Apparently not.p;
Most people don't survive plagiarising one book. It's quite amazing he kept a publisher after the second incident. Read More
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| 31 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Saturday May 22, 2010, 17:15 by Greagoir |
wow.... "in as many as four books"???
so is it four? or one, two or three?? listing sorted? maybe not...
your wesite also states "...feeding frenzy resulting from academic colleagues jealous of Mackay's status..."
Jesus funk, that web site looks like a totally respectable and reliable source...
And yup I can guess which side... and you've made it totally obvious...
Slán go fóil mo chara.... Read More
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| 32 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Thursday May 20, 2010, 14:30 by Rgirvan44 |
L: Felix
I love watching stupid people argue with intelligent people. ote]
You look like the sort who would read Wikipedia... Read More
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| 33 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Thursday May 20, 2010, 14:22 by Felix |
I love watching stupid people argue with intelligent people. Read More
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| 34 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Thursday May 20, 2010, 13:59 by Funkyrae |
L: Greagoir
Yup the same one who was accused once, not repeatedly, of plagarising a book about Alexander Graham Bell. Unlike yourself funk, or me for that matter, MacKay was a true Scots man who has dozens of publications to his name as well as writing accalimed biographies of Robert Burns and the Irish freedom fighter Michael Collins to name but a few. I won't rabble on about his exhaustive research methods and as to say he got his info from a tourist pamplet, your obviously a fan of wikipedia also and not picking up a book as a refernce guide... As for you racial indignation comment, Gibson's film was mostly hollywood tales to portray one of Scotlands greatest freedom fighters but the piece that wasn't made up was the portrayal of what the english put the Scottish people through. Your of scots decent?... I can only guess which side you decended from.../quote]
Nope, don't think you can somehow. Unless of course you know me or know everything I've ever stated here. NRead More
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| 35 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Thursday May 20, 2010, 12:40 by Rgirvan44 |
L: Greagoir
list them and I apologies with all my heart...
There are the biographies of Andrew Carnegie , the Lady Fraser, and John Paul Jones for starters.
And I'm pretty sure they had to pulp the Bell book. Read More
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| 36 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Thursday May 20, 2010, 12:39 by elab49 |
I'll ditto RGirvan on Braveheart- Scots and live in Scotland. No takers.
I must say, your insistence on misspelling does remind me of that old Dougie Donnelly ad - Sterling, Tillicoutry near Stirling.
www.nytimes.com/1999/09/25/books/publisher-cancels-biog raphy-after-plagiarism-inquiry.htmlp;
And there's one. Immediately after the Bell one. But it seems theft was his thing. Read More
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| 37 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Thursday May 20, 2010, 12:28 by Greagoir |
list them and I apologies with all my heart... Read More
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| 38 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Thursday May 20, 2010, 12:22 by swordsandsandals |
L: Greagoir
Yup the same one who was accused once, not repeatedly, of plagarising a book about Alexander Graham Bell. Unlike yourself funk, or me for that matter, MacKay was a true Scots man who has dozens of publications to his name as well as writing accalimed biographies of Robert Burns and the Irish freedom fighter Michael Collins to name but a few. I won't rabble on about his exhaustive research methods and as to say he got his info from a tourist pamplet, your obviously a fan of wikipedia also and not picking up a book as a refernce guide... As for you racial indignation comment, Gibson's film was mostly hollywood tales to portray one of Scotlands greatest freedom fighters but the piece that wasn't made up was the portrayal of what the english put the Scottish people through. Your of scots decent?... I can only guess which side you decended from.../quote]
But the anti english sentiment in it was more than a little ridiculous. Sure they did some horrible stuff whiRead More
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| 39 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Thursday May 20, 2010, 12:02 by Rgirvan44 |
L: Greagoir
Yup the same one who was accused once, not repeatedly, of plagarising a book about Alexander Graham Bell. Unlike yourself funk, or me for that matter, MacKay was a true Scots man who has dozens of publications to his name as well as writing accalimed biographies of Robert Burns and the Irish freedom fighter Michael Collins to name but a few. I won't rabble on about his exhaustive research methods and as to say he got his info from a tourist pamplet, your obviously a fan of wikipedia also and not picking up a book as a refernce guide... As for you racial indignation comment, Gibson's film was mostly hollywood tales to portray one of Scotlands greatest freedom fighters but the peice that wasn't made up was the portrayal of what the english put the Scottish people through. Your of scots decent?... I can only guess which side you decended from...nbsp;
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Actully there were a couple of accusationRead More
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| 40 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Thursday May 20, 2010, 11:49 by Greagoir |
Yup the same one who was accused once, not repeatedly, of plagarising a book about Alexander Graham Bell. Unlike yourself funk, or me for that matter, MacKay was a true Scots man who has dozens of publications to his name as well as writing accalimed biographies of Robert Burns and the Irish freedom fighter Michael Collins to name but a few. I won't rabble on about his exhaustive research methods and as to say he got his info from a tourist pamplet, your obviously a fan of wikipedia also and not picking up a book as a refernce guide... As for you racial indignation comment, Gibson's film was mostly hollywood tales to portray one of Scotlands greatest freedom fighters but the piece that wasn't made up was the portrayal of what the english put the Scottish people through. Your of scots decent?... I can only guess which side you decended from...nbsp; Read More
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| 41 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Wednesday May 19, 2010, 19:30 by tommyjarvis |
L: Rgirvan44
L: Funkyrae
The same James MacKay who was repeatedly accused of plagiarism and who essentially got his facts about William Wallace from a tourist pamphlet? Yeah, trustworthy source that one.
I was about to say, of all the people to quote as an authority, you choose ?
Also, living in Scotland, I have yet to find one of my country people who will admit to liking Braveheart. I'm sure they are out there though...
'm from Scotland and I fucking love it. One of my favourite films of all time. Read More
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| 42 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Wednesday May 19, 2010, 18:00 by Scruffybobby |
L: Rgirvan44
L: Funkyrae
The same James MacKay who was repeatedly accused of plagiarism and who essentially got his facts about William Wallace from a tourist pamphlet? Yeah, trustworthy source that one.
I was about to say, of all the people to quote as an authority, you choose ?
iving in Scotland, I have yet to find one of my country people who will admit to liking Bravehearture they are out there though...
like it. It's load of nonsense, historically speaking, but it's a stirring, brilliantly shot piece of hokum. The battle scenes in particular are still fantastic 15 years on.
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| 43 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Wednesday May 19, 2010, 17:19 by superdan |
L: Rebenectomy
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Also, living in Scotland, I have yet to find one of my country people who will admit to liking Braveheart. I'm sure they are out there though...
hey're all in Northern Ireland, they fracking love it over here.
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One of my friends is from Belfast and he has said many times that Braveheart is his favourite film. Then again, he also like Coyote Ugly and Take That, so his taste is perhaps questionable. Read More
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| 44 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Wednesday May 19, 2010, 16:47 by Rebenectomy |
L: Rgirvan44
Also, living in Scotland, I have yet to find one of my country people who will admit to liking Braveheart. I'm sure they are out there though...
hey're all in Northern Ireland, they fracking love it over here.
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| 45 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Wednesday May 19, 2010, 16:41 by Rgirvan44 |
L: Funkyrae
The same James MacKay who was repeatedly accused of plagiarism and who essentially got his facts about William Wallace from a tourist pamphlet? Yeah, trustworthy source that one.
sp;
I was about to say, of all the people to quote as an authority, you choose ?
Also, living in Scotland, I have yet to find one of my country people who will admit to liking Braveheart. I'm sure they are out there though... Read More
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| 46 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Wednesday May 19, 2010, 16:23 by Funkyrae |
L: Greagoir
dear oh dear Helen...
How about you log off google for a while and try and read a history book...
As for re-reading quotes darlin', open your eyes. I never mentioned belted plaids... I mentioned kilt styles, which the Scots did wear as I stated it wasn't in the fashion of the modern day plaid kilt (18th century on wards)... like I stated. The Irish brought the kilt to scotland called a 'Léine' back in the 6th century which was a full lenght tweed kilt combining a shirt usually of a dark coloured heavy woolen material. As for your wiki historian many ancient cultures like the Greeks, Romans, Vikings and Celts including the Irish and Scots Celts wore some form of a kilt...
And as for your ridiculous 'numeours historical error' quotes. Its a hollywood blockbuster film... Of course there are errors which Gibson freely admits to, he wanted to capture the essence of the injustice against and struggle of the Scottish people against an imperialistic force, which I'm Read More
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| 47 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Wednesday May 19, 2010, 15:38 by Rebenectomy |
And BCG scars in all number of period productions. Read More
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| 48 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Wednesday May 19, 2010, 14:59 by Helen OHara |
You've put my mind at rest, superdan, thank you. I've seen wrist sundials in Asterix books, so we KNOW those existed. Read More
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| 49 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Wednesday May 19, 2010, 14:03 by superdan |
L: Helen OHara
And wristwatches in Spartacus, so the story goes.
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If you pause and zoom-in on Blu-Ray you can clearly see it is a wristsundial. Mystery solved. Read More
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| 50 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Wednesday May 19, 2010, 11:50 by swordsandsandals |
Gas canisters in Gladiator as well... Read More
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| 51 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Wednesday May 19, 2010, 11:38 by Helen OHara |
And wristwatches in Spartacus, so the story goes. Read More
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| Posted on Wednesday May 19, 2010, 11:27 by Beno |
Cant you see a Mini car in a shot in dear old Larry of Arabia ?? Read More
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| 53 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Wednesday May 19, 2010, 11:16 by Helen OHara |
Greagoir, the kilts worn in the film are NOT correct. It's not rocket science, and all the talk of the (well-known, thanks very much) long history of kilts as a genre of clothing doesn't change my point. THESE kilts are 500 years too early.
And as rmccourty helpfully pointed out, it's Stirling not Sterling. You might want to check your own sources.
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| 54 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Tuesday May 18, 2010, 15:05 by Greagoir |
dear oh dear Helen...
How about you log off google for a while and try and read a history book...
As for re-reading quotes darlin', open your eyes. I never mentioned belted plaids... I mentioned kilt styles, which the Scots did wear as I stated it wasn't in the fashion of the modern day plaid kilt (18th century on wards)... like I stated. The Irish brought the kilt to scotland called a 'Léine' back in the 6th century which was a full lenght tweed kilt combining a shirt usually of a dark coloured heavy woolen material. As for your wiki historian many ancient cultures like the Greeks, Romans, Vikings and Celts including the Irish and Scots Celts wore some form of a kilt...
And as for your ridiculous 'numeours historical error' quotes. Its a hollywood blockbuster film... Of course there are errors which Gibson freely admits to, he wanted to capture the essence of the injustice against and struggle of the Scottish people against an imperialistic Read More
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| 55 | RE: FAIL! |
| Posted on Tuesday May 18, 2010, 14:04 by elab49 |
Mm - he did get that really quite wrong. Sorry for not picking that up Read More
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| 56 | RE: FAIL! |
| Posted on Tuesday May 18, 2010, 14:01 by Potatoman |
Sorry - my comment about The Black Prince was responding to Zhandos, not commenting directly on the article (I should have made that clear). And fair comment on the Cromwell bit... Read More
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| 57 | RE: FAIL! |
| Posted on Monday May 17, 2010, 13:36 by elab49 |
The bit at the top is the reign, not the character. And it clearly calls The Black Prince the Prince of Wales - ie the heir, the king.
I think the Thomas is just a stutter after Fairfax tbh. Read More
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| 58 | RE: FAIL! |
| Posted on Monday May 17, 2010, 13:18 by Potatoman |
The Black Prince was Edward III's son but he died before he came to the throne. Edward IV was Edward III's great-great grandson (not via the Black Prince).
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| 59 | RE: FAIL! |
| Posted on Sunday May 16, 2010, 02:37 by Zhandos |
L: Peppermint
L: Zhandos
...when Edward III won Crecy and The Black Prince won Poitiers.
eren't they the same person?
the black prince was Edward III's son, Edward IV
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| 60 | RE: FAIL! |
| Posted on Friday May 14, 2010, 15:41 by Peppermint |
L: Zhandos
...when Edward III won Crecy and The Black Prince won Poitiers.
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| 61 | RE: Fair play |
| Posted on Friday May 14, 2010, 14:57 by sharkboy |
L: Helen OHara
And I think Sharkboy's comments were also largely directed at others.
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| 62 | RE: Fair play |
| Posted on Friday May 14, 2010, 14:54 by Helen OHara |
Gambit, no offence was taken from your post, fear not. And I think Sharkboy's comments were also largely directed at others.
And thank you very much for those kind words!h, and thanks to the rest of you for spotting those typos and intelligence fails elsewhere in the feature. I had misread the page when revising Henry V, for example, and then added two towns that weren't his instead of, say, Rouen and Melun. And I don't know WHAT went on in my brain about the Diana date.
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| 63 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Friday May 14, 2010, 13:47 by sharkboy |
Holding Connery up as the archetypical proud Scot just makes me piss myself laughing every time I see it. "I'm so proud of my country I'll get a tattoo on my arm, but only visit it when it's time to stir up shit in case they tax me too much". Wonder if he'd be just as happy paying taxes to an independent Scottish government as he has been to Westminster. He's a tax-dodging celeb, nothing more. Read More
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| 64 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Friday May 14, 2010, 13:38 by emogeek |
L: Greagoir
As the great Sean Connery has tattooed on his forearm 'Scotland is Free'...
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| 65 | RE: some points |
| Posted on Friday May 14, 2010, 12:07 by sharkboy |
And you've gotta love the irony of criticising a Northern Irish journalist for a perceived Anglocentric piece!
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| 66 | RE: some points |
| Posted on Friday May 14, 2010, 11:02 by DancingClown |
Good God, there are some tetchy fuckers here. Read More
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| 67 | RE: some points |
| Posted on Friday May 14, 2010, 10:46 by Helen OHara |
Actually gambit21, Britain = England + Wales. The Act of Union created Great Britain when Scotland was added, and of course when Ireland came in and then went out again, leaving only the North, we get "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". Don't mess with someone who studied constitutional law! or the rest on Braveheart, I've got a limited amount of space in an Empire feature and can't possibly list all the inaccuracies / shortcomings in a film like Braveheart, so I picked a few. You are of course right on the rest.
jimvh1, Henry V was King of England (and Wales), so it's entirely accurate to talk about him in a piece on English history - and as I've said before, I did mention in the introduction that we'd veer into Scotland now and again. I've talked about English or British for most of the feature, and only started talking about Great Britain or the UK much later when that became relevant, so I'm afraid your criticisms aren't actually valid. Read More
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| 68 | RE: is it to much to ask that Empire get its FACTS right?... |
| Posted on Friday May 14, 2010, 07:51 by Helen OHara |
Sorry Greagoir, but even Mel Gibson acknowledges that the woad was anachronistic and added just because he thought it looked cool. And as for the Scottish point, you might want to re-read my introduction again. The film, of course, also prominently features the English, hence its place here.
As for the kilts, just to quote for a moment:
"Historian Sharon Krossa notes that the film contains numerous historical errors, beginning with the wearing of plaidlace and his men. She points out that in the period in question, "... no Scots ... wore belted plaids (let alone kilts of any kind)."ink] Moreover, when Highlanders finally did begin wearing the belted plaid, it was not "in the rather bizarre style depicted in the film."ink] She compares the inaccuracy to "... a film about Colonial America showing the colonial men wearing 20th century business suits, but with the jackets worn back-to-front instead of the right way around."ink] She remarks "The events aren't accurate, the datesRead More
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