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We Don't Need Another Heroes

Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 11:59 by Emily Phillips in Small Screen
We Don't Need Another Heroes

OK, this isn’t film, but it’s film-esque, and has us all talking, so we wanted to share. Heroes kicked off its third series last night, and is now officially more lost than Lost. Following a second season stunted by the writers' strike, we hoped to get back to the grasp of some gripping “Save the Cheerleader” action. But if the cheerleader doesn’t need saving, and if Sylar can be stopped by a mere louver door, then where can it go from here?

We are now in plot blurring territory, where the writers rip up all the character notes (if they had any), and rewrite them, a week at a time, losing track of what has gone before with every passing episode. But our discussion of this is going to get spoilerific, so if you are saving this quality drama for the weekend or didn’t watch the second episode on BBC3 later, then look away now!

Opening on a flash-forward to the future, we see that Future Peter has a major gash across his face and Claire Bear has evolved into a leather-legging-clad brunette. But given that Peter has Claire’s ability to heal, then is he maintaining his scar purely to look sinister? And isn’t her decision to hold her uncle/real-life boyfriend (ewwwwh!) at gunpoint slightly ineffective, when he quite clearly won’t be injured by the shot? Have the writers ever watched the show?

Flashing between this and the present day, it is revealed that Mr Nasty Future Peter is the shooter at Nathan’s press conference where we left off last season. Mind-reading cuddly cop Matt is in hot pursuit, but forgets to engage brain until Nasty Peter has done away with his nicer early self. Do none of the characters have their powers switched on? Has there been a Hero power cut? Does anyone else find Matt’s mind reading scenes uncontrollably irksome?

But it gets worse. Sylar engages in some amateur brain surgery on Claire, and it emerges that he doesn’t eat the brains after all but takes something else out. Which she can totally survive without, as it transpires; in fact, she may be entirely unable to die. So that whole season one plot arc about save the cheerleader, save the world; that painting by Isaac of a clearly dead Claire with her brain missing, that was all rubbish?

Now I may be putting the first series up on a pedestal here, but I have noticed that the whole cast appear to have attended the Joey Tribiani School of acting during the break between seasons. Milo Ventimiglia was always guilty of some dramatically pensive staring, and Chicago born Sendhil Ramamurthy has adopted his “Indian” accent from the Victorian colonies, but he’s now reached a new low, screaming, “He’s behind you!” during the face-off between Sylar and Claire. Even Nathan’s serious politician has “found God”.

Masi Oka’s Hiro remains the best of the bunch, but even loveable Ando is set to go off on a tangent and get a set of bad powers for himself. With dad Sulu checking in from beyond the grave via video message, Hiro is left the task of guarding half of a formula, which he promptly loses in ten seconds flat. This is the Hiro we know and love, blinking his way through madcap adventures, on a quest to save the world (and lets hope the series at the same time) – but isn’t it also something of a step back from the development of the last season-and-a-half?

The second part was even more irksome. Mohinder turned into The Fly; poor pathetic present-day Peter fell in with a bad crowd again, but these ones have superpowers rather than bad Irish accents, and Peter’s turned into a completely different guy so no one knows who he is; Matt ended up in Africa with yet another wilfully mystic guy; baddies conspired but to little effect; Malcolm McDowell may have popped up again but is either invisible or Nathan Petrelli’s gone mad; and Ali Larter turned up as a new character with new powers for reasons best known to…well, we’re not convinced anyone knows.

At this point, we might keep watching, but only in the same way that it’s hard to look away from a car-crash. But really, Must Do Better, Heroes. This is not going to save the cheerleader, let alone the world.

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Comments

1 swordsandsandals
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 14:34
Well, it was better than Season 2's shoddy opener.

But yeah, it was really confused. Lets hope it picks up the pace.

2 silvercross
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 14:41
Are you insane?! I loved the opener! So many moments I loved! And having acquired the latest ep from America, it gets even better!

3 djamesc
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 14:45
I really can't comment, though clearly I am. I gave up 4 episodes in to season two after badgering people to watch it as I loved season 1 that much. Made me look like a damn fool! It makes me ill when I tried to finish season two, I can't even watch season one again yet, just get a bad taste in my mouth.

4 Freeze
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 14:48
Series 3 has been better than 2 so far
and heroes has always been confussing in the beginning but i think that makes people want to watch it.

5 marcusbarkus
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 14:50
Whats the big difference to this seasons opener and the first season. They were both confusing, the acting was bad then and is certainly no worse now. I thought season 3 started well compared to the disappointments of season 2. It was fun, pacey and a nice slightly darker edge to it. Sure there were things that niggled, but i dont ever remember seeing anything where some twist didnt make sense or things were convieniently papered over. I think its a good start and i'm looking forward to the rest of the season...so there...

6 Dismas
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 14:52
I do agree with the reviewer, insofar as there seem to have been one heck of a lot of logical lapses, plotholes...maybe the writer's strike made everyone a little rusty round the edges?

But: as with Lost, I will not lose hope. While things may seem confusing and slapdash, it's perfectly possible that the Heroes team actually have a very specific plan in mind, and they're keeping things up in the air on purpose, rather than through poor writing. As long as they actually pull off something that has a pleasing end result, I don't care how muddled it seems beforehand.

7 TheHazman
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 15:02
Couldnt agree with silvercross more. Great first 2 episodes! Some great new characters (love the Speedser) and soem great action. It's the third season so I dont feel that it needs to explain anythin gto me. And the fact that sylar doesnt eat the part of the brain is s good thing and I dont think they ever suggested that he did?

Can t wait for the rest of the series!

8 elzupasmonkey
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 15:07
It was hit and miss. A lot of stupid stuff like you've mentioned (Malcolm McDowell?!) But some good stuff as well. I liked the twist with Hiro's pal. Certainly worth watching again.

9 saintheat
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 15:14
The "save the cheerleader" thing wasn't so much about stopping Claire from dying as it was about stopping Sylar from obtaining her power. It's possible her power was still evolving at the time (as we've just seen it continue to do), and cutting her noggin open back then would have killed her anyways.

I don't mind all that anywhere near as much as yet another storyline of "have to stop the terrible nightmare future that X character has visited." Three times in as many seasons? No. Just no.

10 Old_Pyrate
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 15:14
Everybody seems to have a bloody super power now and to paraphase The Incredibles, "when everybody is super, no-one is."

11 Death_Row_Marv
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 15:17
Could not agree more. Not only is it losing the plot but it is stealign stuff off other progams.

The 4400 super power in a needle.

Quantom Leap Peter being into the body of another person that we can only see in a mirror.

Battlestar Galactica with a"ghost" only one person can see and with the sudden pressance of God.

Although one point about the shooting it was said in season 2 that either cutting of the head or a blow from bullet or stabbing implament to the base of the brain would kill Clare Bare.

I am very worried this will become the new Lost adn will spiral out of control (sorry for all the spelling mistakes)

12 newtonlady
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 15:20
In total agreement on this one, I actually didnt even bother to watch the second episode on bbc3. The second series was much worse though and really obvious. Its only saving grace was the lovely adam, a character that could have given so much more and I can only hope will be let free from the coffin.
I did like the insight into how Sylar gained the power, I definatly thought he ate the brain and now feel a little worried about my own state of mind for ever thinking this.
I dont want ando and hiro to fall out, if that happens Heroes really will be lost to me.

13 Bobsbitchtits
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 15:26
I think that summation is bang on the money. All reason and logic seems to have flown out the window. I got the feeling that after season 1 Tim Kring had no real idea of where to take it next (as the first season was very much a self contained story) and season 3 only confirms it. He now seems to be creating a narrative to service his characters, not the other way round and it shows.

It saddens me to write this as season 1 was one of the best tv shows to come around in a long while, but after giving him the benefit of the doubt after season 2 it's only confirmed my suspicions. If I had Hiro's powers I would now be telling him to leave it at that after season 1. I would also be going to the night where Michael Bay's parents conceived him to stop that too, but thats another matter.......

14 Hughezy
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 15:35
Empire, you're on fucking drugs! that opener was great! stop being such an egg and just wait for the show to unfold! i mean, did you really expect them to explain everything in the first episode?!

and these people talking about there being no logic in Heroes?! listen: this is a show about people who can fly; logic doesn't belong in sci-fi.

go watch Hollyoaks if you want something that's simple. BAH!

15 Karl Crutchley
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 15:38
SPOILERS

Maybe what Hiro saw destroying the city in the future, was Mohinder after his metamorphosis is complete - he changes into Godzilla.

Yes one too many leaps of faith in these episodes.

So it turns out Sylars power of "Adaptive Intuition" as they call it, just means he has to have a look at something and can figure out how it works. ie the brain. I liked the idea of him eating them and absorbing the power better.

But that implies that EVERYONE can learn anothers powers now. If Parkman can read minds, why cant he read how to do stuff and get more power than his lameass mindreading.

Also you've got Nathan being able to heal now, as well as HRG, after getting Adam & Clares blood respectively. Yet when Mohinder tries to get powers all of a sudden its Brundlefly time.

And dont get me started on that Wuss Peter - why cant he use his powers in that other body if he is so incredible. And the scar, boy he looked tough.

I'll still watch it next week dispite my grumbles though.

16 BlueDragon21120
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 15:45
I thught Season3 really made up for the shit that was Season 2, can only get better adn it was amazing. Tokyo destroyed? Visions of the future, Sylar gets Claire's power, it was all realy exciting.

17 Jonny 3000
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 16:08
Ok! I'm a Huge Heroes Fan and a Huge Empire fan! And usually agree with everything Empire say, but not Now!
The New episode of Heroes was absoulutly AMAZING! Just like episodes before!
Ok! Season 2 wasn't great, but it was better than most shows and also you try following up Season 1!
I have High hopes for Season 3!
And by it started it should be brilliant!

18 slowhands107
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 16:17
ha AMAZING!

Heros lost its way the second the 2nd series series started! Am I right? I'm right! It was some of the worst writing.

- The whole Ipod obessed ''Irish'' guys...'BOOM' the crate door flys open, 4 Irish men enter.

IRISH MEN
'what! where the hell are the Ipods?'
' What, what the hell, whos that!'

Peter is half naked minus cool fringe chained to the back of the crate.

IRISH MAN
'oi you where are the ipods!'

PETER
huh, what i...i... what year is this blah blah blah.

They then go on to ingnore Peters ability to blast ppl away with a strange blue light and continue to rant about the flipping ipods. What did they think, Peter stole them all, took his shirt off and chained himself in the crate. For like 3 episodes I swear hes tied to a chair getting beatin as they scream for their beloveded nanos back.

And the whole claire bear shit...oh god! And the annoying boyfriend flying her through bad CG sky to the beach...yuk.

And when the hell are Mohinder and Parker going to just get it over with and get it on!

'Oh Mohinder'

'Oh Parker'

'I dont need to read your mind to know what your thinking'

'shut up and kiss me'

Super gay undertones in that whole situation. And the best bit, the hero from the 1600's who is really a white, english and sarcastic samauri. the 1600's!!!!!! He was chatting like some trendy comedian from New York.

bye

19 broonie
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 16:31
Nope sorry, dont agree with you. Cracking start to season 3, almost made up for the whole of season 2 (IMO). Looking forward to this season, much darker tone which will benefit the series as well.

20 Roll
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 16:39
Personally, I disagree entirely. I think the series opener was incredible. I'm the first person to say that the second series was a huge disappointment and all in all, a bit rubbish. But I think it's found it's form again. The show can never compete with the likes of Lost intellectually, but it is essentially a tv comic book. The rest of your points are just childish and pedantic. Maybe Peter keeps his scar because of some uncurable future attack or the writers thought people would be able to relax and enjoy a cool touch. Maybe Sylar was stopped on the chain on the door because he had all the time in the world to wait Claire out, or maybe the writers wanted to sustain tension. And in regards to Clarebear aiming at Peter, if you had paid attention during the show you would know that "there's no coming back from a head shot."

21 Odie
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 16:47
Picks up pace???? Its already pretty hectic! Anyone who thinks this is as confusing as lost really has no brain, this is perfectly confusing, teasingly confusing, encouragingly thought provokingly confusing, not . . eh!? . . confusing. Admittedly if they go any further it will be but so far it is perfect. i thought the i am your mother bit was fantastic, absolutely brilliant, plain didnt see it coming and oh the possibilities for a petrelli dream team, Its a comic book roost like xmen but a family, like mutant mafia, you have the godmother (Angela), the man in power (Nthan) and the hitmen (Sylar and Peter) Who between them can do anything! So for the record, the reviewer is wrong, oh so wrong. Oh and one more thing If you guys had watched unmasked on bbc2 after the the first episode you would have heard Kring say that 90% of the questions posed in the beginning of series 3 will be answered by the end of series 3 so can everyone stop panicking now please and enjoy the most ambitious series on t.v!?

22 AnaemicBookcase
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 17:05
I liked the first two episodes a lot, but the whole Mohinder thing annoyed me so badly.

23 Garet6
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 17:07
Hmm, you do have a point. It was a fantastic opener compared to the last 2 series though.

24 shool
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 17:28
Completely agree with the reviewer. Series 2 was pants and this is shaping up to be just as bad.

Awful opener. Its a case of the "gangs all back".

2 words. A Mess.

25 beebs_
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 17:37
Hey, Lost is back on track IMO. Heroes just seems to be rehashing storylines.

I've seen episode 3 and I don't think it gets much better. Strangely enough Tracy/Niki, one of the characters I found extremely boring/tiresome during seasons 1 & 2, looks to have the most interesting storyline. I love Nathan, and I was worried when he went all religious there... hopefully he'll snap out of it. I'm willing to go with the whole Linderman thing for now.

Everything else? Not that great. Mohinder is still stupid and annoying and totally becoming the Fly. Maya, whatever. Matt, boring and dumb, no change there. Hiro, doesn't do it for me either. I found him boring last season and annoying in this one. I prefer Ando. Lets hope he turns bad and kills his best mate! Claire... whatever man. I'm not really surprised that she can't be killed by Sylar's techniques. I think she can be killed though. I'm shocked that they let Sylar get her abiltiy so early on... Oh and I'm didn't think that Sylar was a brain eater. He just needs to see how it works.

I don't know. It just didn't grab me. They're running around setting loads of stuff up that seems pretty familiar. The characters aren't developing. It's just a bit blah.

I hope it finds some focus. I hope it does something original. I hope that the characters develop! And I hope that they kill Mohinder... Please. Step it up Mr. Kring.

26 mebbetheywasinjuns
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 17:44
I'm gonna have to agree as well - the show seems to be suffering from 'wouldn't this be cool'-itis; adding ludicrous elements, ignoring characters' histories and qualities, and generally seeming to disregard any sense of continuity. And it is me, or Maya incredibly slutty? Admittedly, she is also impossibly hot.

27 Zilla101
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 17:58
Emily

Tut tut - need to pay attention I think. Isaac's painting of a dead Clair - NOT CLAIRE!!! Turned out Isaac painted the other bimbo cheerleader who did get the Sylar treatment... everyone (characters & viewers alike) simply though it was Claire because cheerleaders are pretty generic looking.

Heroes goes seem to be recycling plots (future bad, must stop). Plus there are a few characters they need to kill off instead of recycling with crap storylines - Yes I'm looking at your Nathan, Nikki, South American chika, Claire’s mum, Matt (maybe) etc.

An OK start to season 3, but they need to keep the action up to keep people interested and play down the family dynamic for this season - they've done that too much and it's getting stale.

28 mozzy_gal
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 18:05
Ok did you watch this while you were drunk? Sorry completely disagree with you.

IT WAS GREAT! I loved every minute of it, especially the opening minutes. I think it's gonna be SO interesting now with Sylar not being able to die but I can never lose my love for Heroes (then again I said that about Lost...) I think it's still an amazing show! I refused to watch episode 2 on bbc 3 but it really was a cracking opener for me.




29 rolfaroo43
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 18:34
im sorry did i miss something, Emily, you sir are officially a trout of the highest caliber. Silvercross is the only one on here with any kind brain & the new series of heroes is going off in style yet again. ok so it was a bit patchy at times in season 2 what with strikes 'n all but to accuse the latest of being 'more lost than lost' well.... once again, trout trout trout firstly lost is and always will be the best TV series. oh hang on, ive got it your a 24 fan aren’t you. i apologise i didn't realise you can only handle 1 stupid plot at a time that evolves around 1 person stopping whatever tragedy 4 monkeys can think of next. anyway the first episode got off to a slow start then Sylar turned up & once again Mr Quinto has proven that he has the ability to take heroes to places that most super hero films can only dream. but in regards to the story line how are you not able to follow it, no one knows what the deal with future peter is because he's from the future what could of happened in the 4 years is for us to find out (its called patience) having seen the 3rd episode & not wanting to spoil it for anyone, i can say that Mummy Petrelli will go into small detail about the aptly named 'Butterfly effect' which will put to bed any confusion you have towards Ando, Claire, Peter or Heroes futures (and yes Hero is still a legend) Niki however needs another kick up the arse to get a good story going and im surprised at *beebs saying her will be the most interesting umm, you did see all the Noah bits didnt you ! ! ! all in all hero rocks and that lengthy review of series 3 is the biggest load of 'hey i'll be controversial and make a name for myself' rubbish ive ever read. the only part you managed to get right is the blatant fly rip off with mohinder.

so all in all i'll still be recommending it to all that i know, for those who are uncertain about series 3 after seeing the first episodes, wait for episode 3 watch in complete awe then send apologies to rolfaroo.

30 rolfaroo43
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 18:36
and for everyone who is still confused theres a new programe called 'in the midnight garden' on cbeebies every morning. cheers

31 johnmcclane
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 18:57
I think that the point of the scar that future Peter was wearing, was that perhaps Peter isn't completely invinsible, or that Hiro's sword can do Serious damage?

32 SolarDave
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 19:02
Apart from Sylar being stopped by wooden doors and a metal chain even though he could probably just go round the back off the house and burst through the fucking wall into the wardrobe it was a decent opener. A few plotholes but liveable.

33 Filmfan 2
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 19:35
What a load of absolute bollocks!

How about you get a good bit into the season before passing the Heroes off as a has-been? Perhaps some of the points that you've raised are going to get an explanation as the series goes on.

Wait for the plot to develop, or is everyone at Empire now part of the instant-gratification crowd?

34 siogorath
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 19:51
Guys, please please please dont branch out into reviewing TV programs. Just stick with what you do best.
Theres a million inaccuracies with that blog, but at the end of the day, I just watch it for its comic book charms, where continuity is dodgy at best and things are always retconned. It doesnt need to make complete sense, just as long as things develop better than series two.
So yeh Empire, you stick with reviewing films, and I'll carry on watching Heroes for mindless entertainment, rather than intellectual gratification...

35 durelius
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 20:07
I'm liking it so far a couple of bits are frustrating, why didn't Sylar just use his jedi finger trick and make the doors fly off their hinges and grab Claire, why is Nikki now someone else but I'm sure at least one of those will be answered in the future. Peter has a scar across his face in the future as shown in season 1 future episode where most heroes seemed to have flipped to the dark side, how he gets that we are yet to know. Can only get better surely.

36 raymondbros
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 20:13
I totally agree, did anyone notice how quick and badly paced the script was, example:
"Mohinda, your giving up"
"Yes I am"
"ah, angry!"
"How did you do that?"
"just calmed myself down"
"wow, the way to give people powers is in their adrenaline"
Well done it took you 2 series and an episode to, in less than a minute, discover how to give people powers, you complete idiot writters, have you no timing or idea how to write a screenplay at all!
And also what was with Sylar, I thought he was an interesting and clever character in the first series but now I'm just disappointed.
Thirdly, every series is currently working to a formula:
See the future, see death, quest to save the world.
Forth, second series, Hiro lands in japan, 3rd series, Matt Parcman lands in africa

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What happened to being original?

37 knx
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 20:22
are they letting anyone write on empire now ?, i agree season 2 was a bit of a let down, but after 2 episode of the 3rd series to then slag it off is a bit of a joke to be fair! ,as in previous seasons of heroes the story starts to make sense toward the end so give it some time before writing stuff , i would of took you opinion on board if it was at the end of the series but its only the beginning of the season give it a break ! if i sound a bit angry i dont mean too but lost or 24 never got slaged off if it had a bad storyline so why should heroes ?

38 jcallan
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 21:14
First Episode : Poo poo.

Second, not so much.

39 HBK_nWo33
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 21:43
Well I enjoyed not only the first two episodes of Season 3, but I enjoyed Season 2, and I am sick of the reviewers just being critics. Granted you like Season 1 best, and it was phenominal, but there is nothing wrong with Season 2 and the beginning of Season 3.

We all know they couldn't just repeat Season 1, they had to do something different. And lets face it, the 'randomness' because of there being so much action is all because of the critics complaining of a lack of action in Season 2! So really, you have written an article that articles just like this helped to bring this situation around in the first place..

So we DO need another Heroes. If you personally don't like it, don't watch it, you're not forced to because you review films not TV shows, if it was a film, fair enough you've been paid to watch it all, no one is making you watch Heroes. So if you don't like it, don't watch it, there's no need to write an article on what you personally don't like about it.

40 familyguy91
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 21:45
ive watched the third episode Legaly of course (ahem) and it gets better but still there are rediculously stupid plot holes. have to say in response to you saying peter wouldnt die if shot, they did explain in the second series that if you get shot in the head you die cos the brain can't heal the body.

41 jighooligan
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 21:50
Was not impressed at all with any of season 3 so sad to see the show go the way of Prison Break (a show with potential that went down the drain after season 1)
and p.s Lost its not confusing if youve been following it

42 sleepwalker
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 22:07
I have super power,

I managed to predict what was going to happen to nearly every character by the end of episode 2 including Suresh's Jekyll and Hyde Character, Matt being found in the desert, and comming soon Peter petrelli facing off against himslf realising that he will have to kill himself in the past to save the world. I also predict he will be back in season 4 in much the same way that I predicted nathan would be this season.

My Super power only seems to work on some programs however such as Hollyoaks, and pops up intermittently at other times like when charlie died in Lost.

Early Shyamlan and the Coen Bros seem to be my Kryptonite.

I might set up my own Justice League.

43 Experiment 627
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 22:49
I think I'm alone in the world, but I was bored before halfway through season 1, and with most people saying how shite seasons 2 & 3 (so far) are, I'm glad I quit the series.

Then again, I also think Lost, 24 & Family Guy are bollocks as well, so what do I know?

44 chewynewyork
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 23:02
Ok, I can see how this can get real sticky, real fast. Here we have a series many of us truly enjoy, despite whatever shortcomings they have experienced in the past. Yet, no matter how much we aspire this to be akin to a "feature film" (with it's over-the-top action and hot babes), I think the writers (or producers, take your pick these days) have forgotten that it is indeed a series. And series', ladies and germs, deserves to have a mildly cohesive storyline, at the least, because that's what keeps the fans coming back for more. People didn't get hooked onto Lost for the jungle scenery, it was the consistency, even through all the convoluted interweavings of every character's storyline. I hope Heroes gets back on track, and soon. Time is money, and Knight Rider is coming lol.

45 norman365
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 23:25
I loved the first series, thought series 2 wasn't all that as it really suffered from too many characters and weird pacing to the reveals as a result from the writers strike (still can't see why series 2 had to be halved and why they couldn't have had a mid-season break but nevermind)

I've largely liked series 3 so far, although I have to admit first episode was a bit hit and miss; not wanting to blow my own trumpets but I always saw the opening twists right from the beginning, I was even offering people to bet me before hand it was Peter as it was so obvious from his walk away at the end of 2 and as for the evolution thing I just thought that was a given in how the acting played out through the series (nathan learning how to fly when peter falls right in the first episode right through to monica dawson's 619) which goes to show there IS at least some set-up for you naysayers ;-)

as the blog says their are some things which are hard to dispute (peter's scar and sylar's door connundrum was plain dumb) but some things said are harsh (you sensed Parkman was onto Bad Peter right from the prologue when he first met him, and Claire CAN die as someone has said previously like when she got that branch in her noggin in series 1 plus I actually prefer how Sylar gets his powers from analysing the brain just like he does with clocks) think of it this way; what you seen so far is equal to about an eighth of a film in it's storytelling and you wouldn't review a film on that alone would you?

46 norman365
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 23:28
sorry for my shameful punctuation peeps! ^

47 Stalla
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 23:40
save the cheerleader save the world - this doesn't necessarily go out the window just because she apparently can't die. Perhaps future hiro didn't know she couldn't die. All that was required was for peter to turn up at the school, "save" claire, claire and peter therefore establish a bond/trust, this means claire eventually goes to find peter when she has to run away from texas, this inadvertantly leads to claire and nathan finding each other, which eventually leads to nathan realising there's something in new york worth saving, hence not leaving with his mum and going to find claire to stop her from having to shoot peter and flying peter out of new york and thus saving the world....phew!

48 Stalla
Posted on Thursday October 2, 2008, 23:42
sorry, last post was incomplete, shouldve read:

sorry if this all about to sound naive or quite simply wrong!:

save the cheerleader save the world - this doesn't necessarily go out the window just because she apparently can't die. Perhaps future hiro didn't know she couldn't die. All that was required was for peter to turn up at the school, "save" claire, claire and peter therefore establish a bond/trust, this means claire eventually goes to find peter when she has to run away from texas, this inadvertantly leads to claire and nathan finding each other, which eventually leads to nathan realising there's something in new york worth saving, hence not leaving with his mum and going to find claire to stop her from having to shoot peter and flying peter out of new york and thus saving the world....phew!

As for the painting of claire with her brain missing...i thought that was a panting of the other blonde cheerleader, who did eventually lose her brain, no? Im pretty sure she died, anyway.

Admittedly i only watched series 1 once, but i always have a flicker of hope that everything will make sense eventually!

as for future peter, who cares, he's hot!

and mohinder and maya need to no longer be in the show!

49 Funk
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 00:50
Reader is a dick and has quite a lack of facts as well!

As told from future Hiro in 'Five Years From Now', the reason Claire needed to be saved in season 1 was to alow Sylar to die at Kirby Plaza! If he had taken her powers in season 1 then he would have regenerated and stoped Nathan from flying Peter away from the city!

Yeah its alot to process in season 3 and if you can be bothered to watch future eps (or just download them from the states... currently waiting for ep4) you wouldnt be such a jackass! jezzzz, i feel better now :)

50 OminousTidings
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 03:56
I'm going to have to agree with Funk here. If you recall getting shot in the head will instantly kill Peter even with Claire's ability. Furthermore, Sylar probably killed all of those people because he didn't want people with the abilities he stole because he wants to be special, and Sylar doesn't kill Claire because he says himself that he can't because she is "special" which makes us wonder "special" in what way?

51 timthetum
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 05:35
Tell you what, name 5 shows where every episode has been perfect (and you can't include The Wire, as, while brilliant, they barely count as seperate episodes). Every series has the odd iffy episode.

I quite enjoyed the first 2 episodes, but perhaps i didn't expect them to live up to the series one pilot. Oh, and you may as well decider i know nothing, as I quite enjoyed series 2. Wasn't as good as one, but it had it's moments, and I never found it dull.

I agree with those who'd prefer to give the show a few more episodes before making a negative judgement; episodic TV shouldn't be about instant gratification (although I suppose the networks may say differently).

Looking forward to next week's show (and Sanctuary starts Monday too - hooray!).

Tim

52 chargomp
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 08:17
I agree entirely , Empire. 'Heroes' has become a pile of poo make no mistake. My biggest beef being remembering the feelings of terror I had watching season 1 and the terrifying SYlar. Sadly, Sylar has become a super Camp serial killer with a slimey grin and he doesn't even eat brains!!

No doubt I will watch the rest of season 3. I have a dull life with nothing better to do.

53 mighty mick
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 08:49
"Have the writers ever watched the show?"? Have YOU ever watched the show??

Do you remember how confusing the first few episodes of season 1 were? Peter's dreams? Peter's powers? Niki's powers? Noah Bennett's role?

4 words for you, people: GIVE THE SHOW TIME.

I'm here in the US and the show's 2 episodes ahead and it only gets better. Gosh, be patient...

54 jmebaby25
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 09:15
I agree with Mighty Mick above:

Empire - have you never watched the show. I think you are the only one who didn't know what Sylar's original power was: he sees how things work. Heck - what did you think he was doing with the brains? He's not taking something out, he's seeing how they work so that he can then do it. Yes it's silly - but it's sci-fi.

As to the Isaac painting of Claire dying. Again - have you not watched the show! All three seasons stress that trying to glimpse the future and mess with time is a bad idea. What Isaac saw was Claire with the top of her head missing, just like he saw Peter dead & Bennett dead. But it's not always the full story. Isaac painted what he saw (he didn't know that Claire regenerates) - that doesn't mean that the writers got it wrong. It's a character mistake.

The whole "save the cheerleader save the world" thing - again - do you not watch the show. That was a mistake made by Future Hiro cos he thought that Sylar was the one that blew up New York, so he was obsessed with finding out how to kill him. Obviously it turns out that it was Peter.

The show is far from perfect and the 2nd season was pretty pants, but it's still better than this poorly researched blog.

55 zimo5
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 09:59
Okay to Judge it Squarely on the opener is Retarded. I for one have enjoyed the first three episodes ans to me I believe its setting up for an awesome season. The most dissapointinf episode thus far as been The season 1 finale. Talk about anti Climatic

56 richCie
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 10:05
Season one had a kind of mythical quality, you really felt drawn right from the word go, there was so much more mystery to it, and the paintings of the future were a birlliant way to keep you guessing (why'd they have to kill Isaac off?). At least now we have a new future painter. But we don't have a sense of mystery (even Series 2 had that for a little while)We know who the bad guys are, we know what the bad guys can do. So what do we need to keep guessing about?

Still i do find myself getting into a little bit more than i did with the last series, but we need some good new powers (running fast....freezing people, we've seen all this before in other tv shows or films, what happened to whashisface who could go through walls. that was pretty cool) and we need more mystery!

57 Y2Neildotcom
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 10:12
You could not be more wrong. This was incredible.

Sylar doesn't take anything from the brain, he can see how they work and thus understand the power. What he did with the brains of all his victims before we don't know, maybe put them on the mantel?

Putting a bullet into Peters brain would have worked as you may recall the only way you can kill certain Heroes is by removing their head, or putting a bullet in the back of their brain.

Claires blood won't give you super human powers, Mohinder created a serum made from the anxiety cells in Mayas body, they're after a forumla so obviously he's done something that just getting blood can't do.

Parkman can read minds, not understand how they work so he can't become the new Sylar.

The scar on Peters face is not explained, perhaps it's given to him in a way that he can't heal?

The opening episodes have been good, the last dropped a bit but this is much better and you don't need Sylar to tinker with your brain in order to keep up with what's going on.

(for more of my thoughts visit y2neil.com/blog)

58 richCie
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 10:14
and does everyone want to stop ripping into Empire just because they were disappointed with both Series 2 and the opening of Series 3? I mean quite simply Series 1 was better, so theres nothing wrong in criticising Series 3 (even thought its only just started). I think we have a problem of upset fanboys and girls at the moment.
It's only a blog anyway. Theyre for people to put forward their opinion.
Deal with it.

59 sowasred2012
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 10:25
Mighty Mick:
"Have the writers ever watched the show?"? Have YOU ever watched the show??

Do you remember how confusing the first few episodes of season 1 were? Peter's dreams? Peter's powers? Niki's powers? Noah Bennett's role?

4 words for you, people: GIVE THE SHOW TIME.

I'm here in the US and the show's 2 episodes ahead and it only gets better. Gosh, be patient..."

Give the show time? How much time? I've given it a whole two seasons up to now and it's still refusing to live up to the potential that the basic idea has. More to the point, not only is it refusing to live up to it's potential, it's constantly rehashing the same plot over and over again with each new season - someone skips into the future and "Oh no! Huge disaster! We must prevent it!", comes back and accidentally fucks shit up just enough so that it almost happens (or just *does*) anyway.

"Give the show time" is not a valid defence for a show that's been running for two series already. The fact that this blog was written only two episodes into the third season just shows that people (Emily being the microcosm here) have been bitten not just once, but twice, and, after seeing nothing in the season openers to give them reason to think it's gonna be any different this time, they're just not up for another season of cock-teasing anti-climactic bullshit.

Add to that that the show, in it's first episode alone, jumped the shark/nuked the fridge TWICE when it brought Linderman back, and also when Mohinder discovered he could and subsequently gave himself superpowers. You know what, make that THREE times, I just remembered the bit with Ando zapping Hiro. Those two characters were notable for having substantial non-powered characters, but apparently them getting powers is exciting television.

I'm gonna stick to Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and Lost, two shows that are actually going somewhere.

60 Jo Wareham
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 10:36
i gave up and watched a DVD of Doctor Who. That's my offering to this discussion

61 Noelg25
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 10:52
Emily...I am shocked at this! Season 3 kicked off in spectacular style. I have seen the first 3 episodes already and I can tell you right now...THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER!! Please stop judging the show based on the first episode. The show goes on for 9 months. You cant be pleased in just the first episode.

People need to understand that a show like Heroes will mature. Yes ok Season 2 was pap and even the creator Tim Kring said it himself whilst at the Writers Strike (which we can all thank for the lack of quality shows back in April/May in the US!) The likes of Heroes and Lost will take time to understand and to find out certain things about certain characters. I am already loving the storylines so far in Season 3 of Heroes. You guys have no idea what is to come next.

So be patient, give it time dont judge a book by its cover! How long can a TV show last? Well how long is a piece of string? The longest running TV show of all time is The Simpsons, everyone knows that (and if u dont where the feck have u been hiding?). Heroes could be 7 seasons long but we dont know that. We know Lost is only 6 seasons long as JJ Abrams has confirmed this (unless he decides to do one more for the fun of it lol). Still with Lost, there are many questions left unanswered and in time we will get those answers. If everyone expected everything to be revealed right away, the shows would only last a season and I am sorry I would rather a show ran for a longer period of time than just one season. Smallville for example was only meant to last 3 seasons and we are now in Season 8. So anything can happen people. Just GIVE IT TIME!! I cannot stress that anymore than I already have!

Of course if US shows are not your thing, then stick to Eastenders I am sure they can give you more joy than watching a girl that is impervious to pain and can regenerate any part of body that becomes detached. Toe nail clippings anybody?

62 Karl Crutchley
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 11:26
Just an observation, but has this blog received the most number of replies in the shortest time?
And its not even on the subject of movies.

Emily has obviously touched a raw nerve by daring to slate Heroes me thinks.


63 megageezer
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 11:42
So wrong Emily. Better than anything else on TV and a lot of action film stuff. I think this may be a bit of stirring the proverbial pot. Very naughty ;)

64 Filmfan 2
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 11:44
"Emily has obviously touched a raw nerve by daring to slate Heroes me thinks."

I'm not so sure about that, Karl.

It's all too easy for people who agree with Emily to label defenders of Heroes as fanboys, ticked off merely because someone had the nerve to slate a show that is very important to them.

No, I think the vast majority of replies that have disagreed with Emily have been a little ticked off by the fact that she's written off an entire series by watching the first episode and not thinking much of it.

I know it's only a blog, but it's a poor reflection of the kind of critique you hope Empire would apply when reviewing things. It's like watching the first 10-15 minutes of a feature length movie and deciding the movie is good/crap without seeing everything else before forming an opinion.

65 sowasred2012
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 11:46
Noelg25 - Again, I've got a problem with the 'give it time' defense. Why should we give it time? The fact that you're saying that shows that even you are acknowledging that the series is sub-par at the minute - I for one don't want to sit through yet another season in the vain hope that if I stick with it long enough it will eventually get better.

That's not how this works.

To use Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles as an example again, that was a show that was also heavily affected by the writer's strike, the difference is that it had WAY more work to do than Heroes, because it was not only it's first season (and therefore immediately more likely to be axed), but it had it's work cut out for it from the start simply because of the franchise mantle it had picked up. Nobody thought it was gonna be any good. And now, WEEK AFTER WEEK, it is consistently entertaining, rewarding, well written and, importantly, deeply respectful of the the movies. There was never any "Oh, these first few episodes aren't so good, but let's keep watching anyway cos it'll probably get good later on if I wish hard enough" - it came out swinging immediately and surprised near everyone. I'm not saying it's perfect, you can pick flaws in anything, but the difference in the level of quality between the two shows is astounding.

66 Clarence_Worley
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 12:19
In regards to television, there is nothing i dislike more than when the writers play it by ear, and never truly know where they are going with a show. I gave up Lost for this reason; it just cheapens the whole experience when the shows creators aren't sure of where to go with it, i like my shows to have a grand plan. This now seems to be happening with Heroes, its seems the writers have been working week by week, deciding what cool things they should put in the next episode rather than working towards an important event or theme, or making sure every character has their own satisfying arc. It also now seems that any character is capable of anything, which is always bad.

67 Gold Digger
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 12:37
I can't believe they had a "brain bit". I nearly passed out on Hannibal. Thankfully it was just dark enough not to show too much.

68 MrMarbles101
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 13:10
I can' t believe this show is as popular as it is, I enjoyed season 1 but it was far from great. Ill start with the good things first, the use special effects, Hiro before he started speaking English, Clare's Dad in seaon 1 and the amazing Christopher Eccleston(why didnt they hang on to him?).
Now the bad, the actoring from the vast majority of the cast, Nicky, her son and that whole family are just horrible. The dialogue is literally worst than the dialogue in the Star Wars prequels, Mohinder, Mia and Nicky definately getting the worse.
The writing in general is very lazy, all 3 seasons started off the same way, hiro or peter going into the future and seeing the world is gonna end. I mean, come on! Think of something different please.
My main problem is that the idea is really good and it has a lot of potential but the writers are just pissing it all away.

69 janiac83
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 13:11
It's the series opener, if they were to immediately answer all the mysteries brought up within the first episode then it would be a very short series. This Goldilocks attitude of b*tching about the lack of action in the second series and then moaning that there is too much going on in the third is a bit baffling don't you think? Fair do's on the wooden acting comment though, but as it's a programme about superheroes and villains so I think the ham-infused performances are inescapable!

70 Scabby
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 13:24
"Fair do's on the wooden acting comment though, but as it's a programme about superheroes and villains so I think the ham-infused performances are inescapable!"

Watch Unbreakable, that really shows how to make a grounded, realistic take on the superhero story.

First episode was rubbish, poorly paced and full of plot holes. Second episode was better and although still had plenty of confusing aspects it was pacier and more entertaining. Episode 3 is rubbish, totally shits on the story and the characters. I hope it picks up!

71 dunkah
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 13:53
Wow. Talk about shooting it dead before it's had a chance.... what are you? American?
I for one enjoyed the first two episodes. Who's to say these questions that you've presented won't be answered in due course?

72 ChesterCopperpot
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 14:05
People. Go on the net and watch episode 3 when the breakout gets into full swing at a bank. Its been great in my opinion and I think it will be a storming season. Just a shame they've felt the need to bring in another Isaac Mendez-esque character. We're only three episodes in. Give it a chance.

73 barrykclarke
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 14:15
why carn't they let people die.... Linderman(made things grow), nate(flew), vickey(split personalities),HRG(over protective father) not exactly top rate powers. Please stop bringing the dead back to life!

74 Ricorodrigeuz
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 14:37
I'm not the biggest Heroes fan but I really liked season one but season 2 got boring fast because of the following...

* Holly and Mica's acting. Not trying to be too harsh but it ruined the atmosphere.

*The brother and sister charcters were too predictable and made the programme very dull.

*Bringing back Sylar showed a lack of imagination. He is or was dead. Why not leave him and move on?

When watching the season 3, I thought it was quite good but when I look back at it, it has so many flaws...

*Claire can't die. As Emily Philips said, that ruined the whole tension of season one and will do so for season 3. (Sigh)

*Sylar can't die. So we have to go through all of the we must stop Sylar antics all over again. Its the same with Linderman. He is DEAD. He had a great death but no, they HAD to bring him back. can't theycreat new ones?

*Convieniant glimses into the future. Hiro just happened to be in the exact right place in the world to see the future Hiro get killed bu Ando. Out of all the places!

*The show like season 2, relies heavily on glimpses into the future, to get the viewer thinking but if thats all the writers can rely on then to create tension theres not much hope for season 3 sadly.


75 The Equalizer
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 14:40
Quite amusing blog really. As someone who has seen Episode 3, you'll be glad to hear that things get a whole lot better!

We all love Sylar and can't wait for him to be Spock!!

76 troublenstrife
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 16:28
I'd just like to add to Filmfan 2's comment of:

"No, I think the vast majority of replies that have disagreed with Emily have been a little ticked off by the fact that she's written off an entire series by watching the first episode and not thinking much of it."

Also, that Emily seems to either have amnesia about half the storylines that have gone on in Heroes or just never understood them in the first place - in which case, I'd advise her to give up now!!

Personally, I loved season 1 and appreciated season 2 for what it was (yet another great show affected by the strike) therefore I enjoyed it. Season 3 has improved on them a hundred fold and I can't wait to see what's in store for the rest of the season!

77 peeka85
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 17:39
I agree with a lot of what Emily said and I think most people seem to be completely missing the point. It's not that Heroes is too complicated to understand and that they'll explain things later, it's just that there are far too many continuity problems. I love Heroes and will still continue to watch it but there were just a lot of little things that got to me. Like the fact they hardly showed Francis Capra (who plays Jesse) and just showed Milo as Peter. We know Peter is stuck in his body! It would've been much more interesting if we could see the body he was stuck in.
Also, what's with all the xmen storylines and characters?
I hope that they do try to explain stuff later, otherwise there's going to be a lot of disappointed Heroes fans out there :-(

78 haffy73
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 18:34
I still like the series although I don't think it can ever reach the pinnacle that was season 1. There are a few things I would like to say in defense of all the nitpicking though.
My theroy for Peters scar is to do with the Haitian being around when he gets it somehow stopping his healing ability.
It has never been said before that Clare couldn't die, Issacs painting was of her cheerleader buddy and the only thing that stopped her healing for some time was a lump of wood stuck in her head.
As for many of the other plot holes it might have something to do with all the wibbly wobbley timey wimey stuff that goes on in Doctor Wh... err Heroes.
And finally as for why Sylar can't get through a louvre door....Just get over it will you.

79 leverclan
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 19:15
Why can't people stop criticising things that are just there to be pure fun and achieve the purpose off what films were created in the first place-for escapism into another world and what a world to escape into (world full of superheroes). Thanks and no thanks for pointing out the flaws, I will only find myself noticing them now when I watch, what was a great episode.
So the first two episodes weren't perfect and it hasn't banged the heroes-o-fantastico-meter on the head like it did pretty much every episode in season one but I do feel like it's finally getting back on track and following the show's proposal/purpose that was heavily gone into in season one and lost track of in season two. Though unfortunately at the same time as following the proposal I feel like it is ripping apart what we have come to love and hate in Heroes. Hiro unbreakable enthusiasm and thirst for greatness, Peter Petrelli's same thirst for greatness and to be a good person, Nathan Petrelli being the person to be relied upon to guide Peter (he now seems lost without him. Going off in rubbish tangents, maybe what I might be doing at the moment, sorry if I am!). I think the only person who I think hasn't changed is Claire and it was a good scene with her getting out that video camera again. Only thing i'm worried about with her character is that now Sylar has indestrubility as one of his abilities I feel the show has kind of ended now. I think the show needed like Scrubs needs J.D to never get with Elliott, Clarke Kent never to get with Llana, Michael Schofield to never be safe from the police for the show to keep Sylar powerful but to never be the almight power in the Heroes world.
The first two episodes has made a good statement but not a comfortable one. Hopefully we can trust the writers to know what they are doing and I'm willing to put my trust in them as I am fully invested into the characters lifes and can't wait to see what will happen to them, in keeping with their original synopsis.

80 captainrentboy
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 19:28
I don't agree with these views at all. I thought Season 3 got off to a pretty awesome start, well y'know, when compared to Season 2's dreadfullness anyway. Suuure it's no Lost, infact it's as cheesy and plot hole ridden as Prison Break, but it's still a fun and entertaining watch, and considering the show's about a bunch of superheroes that's pretty much all I ask for from it, Entertainment!!
The CG seems to have had a bit more spent on it this time around too, in HD it's bloody lovely to look at.
I agree that the 'acting' can get a little cringeworthy, but I can ignore that, especially when looking at Ali Larter's bod :)

81 mighty mick
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 22:12
sowasred2012, you are so sadly mistaken about this show. Like any other sci-fi epic, Heroes is not about instant gratification, it takes a while to build up to startling effect. Any fan of a mindnumbingly confused/confusing show like Lost should know that.

And if you seriously think that that show and a shameful cash-in like The Sarah Connor Chronicles are tv series that are actually going somewhere then that just tells something about your tastes...

82 Mopictures
Posted on Friday October 3, 2008, 23:59
"WHY THE WORLD DOESN'T NEED SUPERMAN"?

Just don't take your kid onto any strange boats...

83 serenitynow
Posted on Saturday October 4, 2008, 00:16
I didn't think they needed a second season. Writers strike or not, it was full of lazy ideas. They somehow managed to get Peter and Claire both back in the same positions they were at the begining of series one (Pete all confused, not understanding his powers or what's happening to him and Claire, struggling to fit in at school, albeit a new one but same shit, different day).
What was with the Mexican girl who kept crying caviar and killing everyone around her? It was a dollop of monkey poop.

84 giddig
Posted on Saturday October 4, 2008, 09:25
I don't understand why some people are so botheed by each series having a future event need to be foiled to save the world in some way. If nobody travels through time or predicts an event and so there's no world saving story what are all these heroes going to do?

85 spikespiegel
Posted on Saturday October 4, 2008, 13:33
The 2 episodes i've so far seen had more plot-hoes than any other story I can remember.

The time-travel stuff is an absolute mess - just stick to the present!

86 MrMarbles101
Posted on Saturday October 4, 2008, 13:52
Other tv shows have been able to write stories without characters travelling into the future.
However did they manage that? Oh yeah their writers are talented and not lazy.
When heroes is good it is about instant gratification, its dumb enjoyable sci-fi with some very good special effects! The season finales of both season 1 and 2 were very anti-climatic, massively disappointing.
It sure is no Lost or Battlestar.

87 thepluginbaby
Posted on Saturday October 4, 2008, 14:03
I found the season opener mildly entertaining although it obviously seems a farcry from the brilliance of the first series It will fill in the gap until Lost season 5 comes out.

88 MrMarbles101
Posted on Saturday October 4, 2008, 15:37
Lost is far from Lost, season 4 was awesome, an absolute masterpiece in storytelling. People winge it doesnt answers questions, but they're are wrong! It answers the questions that need to be answered.
Most important it gets the basics right, the characters are great(especially Ben) and so is the dialogue. If a show gets these right then the story can sometimes afford to be less than average because the characters can more than make for it(see Firefly).
This is something Heroes fails miserably at!

89 doc
Posted on Saturday October 4, 2008, 15:54
Right on the money. A very disappointing opening. Have only watched episode 1 so far, but fear that Mohinder getting superstrength may just have been jumping one too many sharks.

However, Heroes has always been massively overrated. There are more weak characters than interesting ones, the Petrellis have become annoying, Hiro has become a parody of himself, and only Sylar and Noah Bennett remain truly interesting characters.

Series One petered out somewhere around midseries and never fully recovered. Series two started badly, but actually had a reasonably satisfying final few episodes, promise that wasn't lived up to in the season opener. I'll stick with it, as there's always the potential to get back some of the initial promise.

As for Lost being lost, you couldn't be more wrong. Series 4 was the best yet, and in 'The Constant' featured probably the best single episode of serial television I've ever seen. After a disappointing last series of 24, Lost is now the best show on TV, hands down.

90 toksyb7
Posted on Saturday October 4, 2008, 21:51
So now are you guys happy? The series opened with 2 episodes back to back. Thus there was no reason to make the first episode do anything but fill in the gap for the writers strike on behalf of those who don't read the graphic novels. Notice how all characters with powers have parents with powers (yes, even Mohinder and Alejandro had connections with their siblings). Ever occur to you that maybe all the heroes were related. Maybe it all started with Adam Monroe (Takezo Kensei). Seriously! He's had 7 brides (according to the graphic novels), he's lived long enough to spread his seed and all 'heroes' (as far as we know) have both parents with powers of their own. As for the scar, be paitient, I'd like to believe peter lost his ability to absorb more powers and lost his healing powers thanks to a visit from the haitian or perhaps whilst in the body of the villain (forgot his name) he got injured.

About 24. It's a great series that just doesn't get old even if you wanna believe it does. Kinda like James Bond or Jason Bourne. Something to do with the JB's.
Lost on the other hand... The title speaks for itself.

91 ryanjd7
Posted on Sunday October 5, 2008, 05:11
I agree with you on so many points. Peter's Scar, Hiro's step back of sorts.

Here's the thing. Everyone's powers evolve over time.

Matt Parkmin, went from reading minds to controlling minds.

So what's to say Claire's powers hasn't evolved too? Before she could be killed to a bullet to the head, maybe now somethings changed as Syler says.

With Claire pointing the gun at peter's 'head' (the one place there is no coming back from as Kensei says) She could have killed peter.

I am confused about his scar, but is suppose time will tell with that.

I'm starting to get sick of the 'Confused' Peter, can he figure out what to do and do some Hero stuff already!

look at Hiro! He dosn't have a clue what's going on half the time, but he follows his gut and follows clue to clue, lead to lead, and he always ends up where everyone ends up in the end. He's one step ahead of the curve!

92 cfptwenty
Posted on Sunday October 5, 2008, 11:23
What i didn't like is that Mother Petrelli tolf peter he had changed the past by telling Claire to stay at home, thus allowing Syler to get her power...but she would never have left to her daddy's side if Peter hadn't gone back in the first place and shot his Nathan. I'm hoping all will become clear but these plot holes seem so big at the moment that i don't think they can be rectified...fingers crossed!

93 petertrifunovic
Posted on Sunday October 5, 2008, 12:20
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94 lady_stardust
Posted on Sunday October 5, 2008, 12:59
My opinion is that Heroes had no reason to go past the 1st season. The best series are those which know when to call it a day..

95 sunnygirly2k4
Posted on Sunday October 5, 2008, 14:29
I actually saw the first episode on Sept 23rd, and even then I was in outrage, posting on IMDb: "WTF have they done?! To Mohinder?! Anyone else agree that they've shot any likeability the character had to hell? It doesn't even make any sense." The reply to this was "this volume is about characters shaking up who they are and evaluating their values. Basically all the good characters from past seasons wrestle with villainous choices, and the good character(s?) "see the light" so to speak. I'll bet it's all back to normal by season 4."

It's like in an effort to make the show more action packed, the character development is back to square one, and basically, their motivations don't make much darn sense. I replied to that: "I get what you mean, but seriously, it just seemed so OoC - like something I'd real in fanfic somewhere. Even though this series' theme is 'Villains' they could still do it without it seeming completely extreme and without a build-up story wise to give cause for radical change in behavior IMO.Anyway, on the positive side, it's a better first episode than Series 2!"

The first series had potential but ended disappointingly, Series 2 just was a disappointment and Series 3 is getting increasingly ridiculous in attempt to keep people watching to me. I agree mostly with Empire.

96 sunnygirly2k4
Posted on Sunday October 5, 2008, 14:33
Oh and if a character(s) can't die, doesn't that just defeat the purpose of having that character(s) in danger of supposed 'death' that will never truly pose any threat to them? The writers need to buck and and kill off some more characters pronto - starting with Mohinder and Maya.

Creating deus ex machinas to keep actors on the show is LAZY writing and shows they're unwilling to take chances. Claire should be dead as well too.

97 BALDYCHINK
Posted on Sunday October 5, 2008, 15:26
I gave up midway thru' the second series. Everyone seemed to have special ability and yet I don't have the brain power to follow the story. Have any of the heroes actually done any heroic deeds yet or are they still trying to annoy\deceit\kill each other?


98 doc
Posted on Sunday October 5, 2008, 16:22
You just can't argue with Heroes fans I guess.

I'll stick with it in the vain hope it gets better (Lost managed it, so maybe Heroes will too), but for now it's streets behind Lost, 24 and Friday Night Lights as the best TV shows still in production.

99 uk_spike
Posted on Sunday October 5, 2008, 20:52
WTF!! Simple answer is DON'T WATCH IT THEN!! Just to pick up on a couple of your points...

1. Save the Cheerleader save the world... if her brain is removed then she won't be alive and therefore NOT saved!! So by saving her they stopped Sylar having her power and kept her alive!! Only reason she's still alive is 'cause Sylar chose to put the top of her head back on whereas in season 1 he probably would have made mincemeat out of her grey matter!!

2. As for Sylar not getting through a mere louver door it was a scene about intimidation!!

3. Scar on Peters face, scar from a sword?? A sword that hiro owns?? A sword that's linked in with the whole mythology and therefore maybe he can't heal the scar but merely disguise himself!!

For most plot hole etc if you engage your brain a little you can explain most things. Yes some of it was a bit ropey, the whole fly/mohinder thing and Nathan finding God but I thought a thoroughly enjoyable opening 2 episodes and I for one look forward to the rest of season 3!!

And as for Lost being Lost... stick to predictle crap like Corro & eastenders!!

100 DorianAsh
Posted on Monday October 6, 2008, 10:32
To be frank I'm too lazy to read many of the above comments and from the few I have read can pretty much guess their content. So I'll just say a few things if anyone's interested (and if you're not, you can go take a short walk off a long pier):

1. Season 2 was quite good in my opinion, Sylar without his powers was intriguing and the whole 'competing futures' thing they stole from Chris Claremont (and are still using for this season as a matter of fact) was great (and I am Irish and although the Irish accents were shocking they weren't as bad as many typical Hollywood 'Oirish' accents)

2. As specifed above, you've got to fill in plot-holes yourself, it's like the famous 'no-prize' of Marvel Comics, a non-existent prize for any clever reader who writes in and explains a gaping plot-hole from a previous issue.
(E.g by save the cheerleader they didn't necessarily mean save her life, they just meant prevent Sylar from getting her powers)

3. You've got to stand by your man so to speak and wait for the good stuff, I mean if we all jumped ship when they was a few off par episodes (although I thought the opening two from Season 3 were great) Star Trek or Seinfeld wouldn't have lasted very long would they?

Anyway as long as Heroes continues to pilfer classic X-Men storylines with minor changes, I'll keep watching (alternatively insert a witty variation on the 'Make Mine Marvel' catchphrase here)

101 sowasred2012
Posted on Monday October 6, 2008, 12:13
Mighty Mick:

I'm mistaken? Sorry, I thought opinions were subjective? Must've missed the memo.

Also, I never said I wanted instant gratification, I said I wanted entertaining, quality television. Heroes, for a second time, has rehashed and repackaged the plot from Season 1 and tried to sell it to me as a "new" season. If Season 3 happens to be the one where they deliver on the set-up, great, I'm sure you guys will love it, but after the 3rd season opener, I'm out, I've been burned by two very sub-standard season previously, and that first episode does nothing except tell me that not a whole lot has changed.

And yes, Lost does get confusing, but it's very rarely less than thoroughly entertaining, save for the few filler episodes the first two seasons were guilty of (Nikki and Paolo? No thanks), but you'll notice that since the writers and the network announced a very definite end point for the show (at the end of the sixth series, a fact that completely validates my point that the show IS going somewhere), there hasn't been one single episode up to now that could be accused of being sub-standard. Confusing, yes. Making it up as it goes along ala Heroes, no.

Also, TSCC a cash-in? Really? On what? A franchise in which interest is waning after a poor third installment and an upcoming fourth helmed by a director nobody has faith in? Yeah, that's a guaranteed money spinner...

But, for arguments sake, let's say it IS a cash-in. There's a witty put-down in there somewhere about the pot calling the kettle black but I'm running out of space.

Heroes itself is more guilty than most on 'cashing in'! Super heroes are more popular and profitable now than ever, so apparently all you need to do is rip off pretty much all of the X-Men and repeatedly put them in a dragged out, Watchmen-for-kids storyline and the masses will flock.

102 Rin
Posted on Monday October 6, 2008, 13:14
Ok give the series a chance folks!! the first few eps are just setting up the rest of the series so there will be lots of unanswered questions but wait til ep3 coz u do start to see a lot more.

I agree that the whole Mohinder storyline is a bit stupid but it fits with hiro's vision of the future (ando's powers) and his half of the formula (dna structure maybe?)

And the characters can die u just have to kill them in the rite way!! And natan not dying - he is claires father rite so therefore has her blood?

103 PMunkey
Posted on Monday October 6, 2008, 14:03
Shut your face bitch! i watched the first 3 episods last night at they were wicked, Name one T.V show that is better...come on what is on T.V that is better then Heroes...Last of the Summer Wine Maybe...no! no! i've got it X factor, yes that was it. Pah! dumbass

104 IrishC
Posted on Monday October 6, 2008, 14:10
PMunkey I doubt anyone is gonna take your comments seriously acting like such a child. No one insulted your mother, its just a TV show dude.

Look, I can definitely see where the criticsm comes from, but I've just watched episode 3 on download (psst) and things ARE getting better. Lets give it a little more time. I'm not gonna defend the show undyingly, I'm not a blind fanboy, but season 1 was SO good and its been failing to live up to that ever since (its a hard thing to live up to), but I've got a sneaking suspision after watching the new episode things are gonna get kinda cool again. I do think some of its got a bit contrived, and I do agree that they need to axe some of the cast members but are probably afraid, but hopefully they will listen to the fans. My impression after season 1 was that the cast was gonna be completely new for season 2, new heroes, new powers, new setting, new crisis to solve, with maybe only a few remaining charaters (Hiro) and that would have been cool, but I think the $$ machine went into overdrive.

I still like the show though, and I have great hope that it will turn it around like Lost did. Season 1 started pretty slowly too if you remember. I think when you see next episode you will feel optimistic too ;)

C

105 slipease
Posted on Monday October 6, 2008, 16:23
I think that the first ep of season 3 was better than either that of the first or second season: it had action and a cool new character. Genesis (season 1 ep 1) was much more boring.

106 spaceboy
Posted on Tuesday October 7, 2008, 04:16
I think part of the problem here is that Heroes not only requires you to pay close attention to keep track of everything that is going on but also to keep up on the online novels and other Heroes Evolutions materials. Some of the plot holes mentioned in the blog can be easily filled by getting your geek on and re-watching certain episodes or reading certain novels.

The whole "Save the Cheerleader" thing is easy to explain, I think someone even did earlier on in the replies. The mission Future Hiro gave to Peter was to stop Sylar from getting her power and allow him to kill him at Kirby Plaza. When Hiro jumped to the future where the Cheerleader had not been saved and Sylar had her power she was still alive and well working in the burnt toast dinner. Isaac's painting did happen but Claire survived the ordeal and obviously went into hiding.

The little brain surgery that Sylar does on Claire is clearly what makes her unable to feel pain from then on. His power is to simply see how things work so all he has to do is see the brain and not remove a part or do something like eating the adrenal gland. If you remember when Mohinder broke into his apartment in season 1 there were a few books on brain surgery on his table so Sylar has obviously researched the subject and knows what he's looking for.

So why didn't Matt pick up on Future Peter when he first met him in the bathroom? In order for him to do that he'd have to have his mind reading power permanently on, he kinda did that when he was learning how to control it and ended up in a right mess.

The Nikki/Jessica/Tracy thing is a bit more interesting. Seems to be related to a company called Pinehearst Research which Dr Zimmerman might have worked for at some point. It's probably tied in with Linderman and his experiment with DL and Nikki to create Micha. Also there is a badge or logo of Pinehearst Research on Future Claire's top in the opening of episode 1.

107 spaceboy
Posted on Tuesday October 7, 2008, 04:17
Speaking of Linderman, is he a ghost, an angel sent to guide Nathan or just all in his head? Does make you wonder how Nathan is alive again, did Future Peter heal him by accident because he got his power from Linderman while he was there? Or did Linderman bring him back to life?

I agree on some of the points about the acting being below par but it has always been a little on the cheesy side hasn't it? Mohinder's accent changes on a weekly basis, seems to depend on where he's at in the world and who he's with. His discovery of the key to activating powers seems quite logical, of course brain chemistry is behind it, I'm surprised it's taken him this long to figure it out. As for his new found powers I'm not so sure, it was bad enough when we realised that no-one could die thanks to Claire or Adam's blood but now anyone can have powers as well? It makes the special seem less special in a way.

I agree that Hiro is the highlight so far though, his relationship with Daphne looks like it will be some light comic relief and one of the more interesting story lines. A future love interest as well? Matt and Usutu look like they'll be a good comedy couple as well, I loved the bit with the turtle. These two new characters are great additions to the cast and will hopefully keep the stories interesting as well.

I'd just say keep the faith Emily, it does get better and I'm sure they'll answer your questions in some form or another. Probably leave you with even more afterwards but isn't that what makes great TV? X-Files used to do it, then Lost and Heroes followed suit. The search for the answers is what keeps people coming back every week, unless they get bored with Bernard and his rocks that is ;)

108 Lupin 3
Posted on Tuesday October 7, 2008, 12:36
I have no comprehension how Heroes can rip off comics in general and still make a complete mess of it. The season one 'finale' was enough to convince me this program had died its death.

109 Karl Crutchley
Posted on Wednesday October 8, 2008, 16:56
PMunkey, as much as I like Heroes I can name 2 straight away - Battlestar Galactica & Dexter

110 norman365
Posted on Wednesday October 8, 2008, 19:54
gotta agree with you and say Dexter was amazing this time round, not a single bad episode and the end of every one had you guessing and thinking what was gonna happen next.

anyways, off-topic...

111 any_random_hero
Posted on Thursday October 9, 2008, 02:29
I love heroes for it's entertainment factor even if it does get a bit silly at times. Anyone losing the faith keep in there as the episodes are getting better after the shakey start. Episode 4 in particular is awesome if you don't enjoy that one then there's no point in you watching it at all to be honest.

112 Derro
Posted on Thursday October 9, 2008, 10:22
I fail to understand this whole essay. If you're using this logic in an argument as to why Heroes has failed it first series, can't we all argue that Hiro could have just re-trod over time to kill Sylar pre powers and save a whole load of silly bother?

And the whole point about the picture with the blonde cheerleader with her head chopped was, isn't meant to be Claire, its her mouthy mate!

113 mab
Posted on Thursday October 9, 2008, 10:28
im afraid to say i have been watching them online and i have seen all of the first 4 episodes of season 3. The opening episode is average but i liked episode 2 and no 3 is very good. No 4 is average but in that one the Tracy Strauus/Nikki resembelance is explained. I think it is gettin back on form and there are 25 episodes this series so give it time and dont judge it on 2 episodes

114 dragon_irl
Posted on Thursday October 9, 2008, 11:15
bit too early for rash judgments although i thought the guys from level 5 would be slightly more impressive.......

115 Keldy
Posted on Thursday October 9, 2008, 19:01
Ok.

Claire, Peter, Adam and Sylar (presumably) can all be killed if you cut off their head and seperate it from their body. Adam says this in S2 and Angella Petrelli's dream depicts Knox doing this to Claire.

There is also a certain part of their brain that is vulnerable. Hence Peter saying "you know the spot" when instructing Claire to shoot him should he go nuclear in S1. The same place where the wood is embedded in Claire's head and the glass in Peter's.

In Five Years Gone, Sylar didn't have Claire's power. He acquired it whilst in the guise of Nathan and states that he has been looking for Claire for some time. She is not working at the diner after already surviving Sylar taking her power, this future is from the point where Peter has already saved the cheerleader.

I actually liked S2, thought it had quite a bit of potential but everybody complained that it wasn't like S1. They've now gone back to a similar formula to the first season and people are now complaining about that too!!

I do understand why some people are finding it frustrating though. I'm hoping it all pans out well but Mohinder acquiring powers, Sylar being a Petrelli and Niki/Tracey is something that I'm not really convinced by at the minute....seems like they're making it up as they go along. If they wanted to kill off Niki then just do it!!

*SPOILER*

Haven't seen it but read that apparently Tracey & Niki were two of triplets, the third being 'Barbara'. If this is the case can somebody please explain to me who Jessica was? I realise that she was a split of Niki's personality but I thought tis came from her actual twin who her father Hal had choked to death??

116 ozzothegozzo
Posted on Friday October 10, 2008, 18:49
Your completly wrong about the 'Save the Cheerleader, Save the World' plot arc. In those early episodes Claires powers had only just manifested themselves, now it was clearly stated in Season 2 that because Adam's cells had regenerated so many times they we're now dying and regenerating in perfect syncronisation making him immortal. Its safe to assume then that as Claire's powers slowly develop she too will be able to become immortal which includes surviving major brain trauma. She would not have been able to survive this type of attack the night of homecoming.

More doubts about it? Well just look back at Sylar's early victims and you'll see that he actually removed the brain from their heads to absorb the powers away from the crime scene. Who's to say he wouldn't have just taken Claire's brain with him.

Point made I think ;-)

117 snadfack
Posted on Saturday October 11, 2008, 15:29
Why do we need Ali Larter? She's their most boring, useless character. Maya is a waste of space, and Mohinder just isn't convincing with Hero powers...... But it's not all bad! It still has it's unbelievable moments, but you should never compare it to Lost! Lost has gotten so hard to comprehend.... I needed to give up on it. I believe that Heroes will never treat it's fans as poorly as Lost has, and the third season of Heroes is still good, better than season two by a mile.

118 bleugh07
Posted on Saturday November 1, 2008, 17:17
the first four or so episodes were really mindless, but we seem to have gotten back on track now, with revelations and everything. The guy who makes black holes was a tad retarded as he kills himself after about 32.8 seconds of screentime but i think we have a good tv show again

119 giddig
Posted on Sunday November 16, 2008, 10:50
I liked the first few episodes but it wasn't until the most recent one on BBC3 and I saw it get properly great. The linking back to the first series in so many ways was brilliant.

120 Keldy
Posted on Wednesday December 17, 2008, 23:37
Ya know, I wanted so badly to defend Heroes but after what I've witnessed tonight I feel it's no longer possible. I thought this season started out so promisingly, Angela's dream, Hiro's trip to the future where Ando 'kills' him. It looked like it was getting set-up so nicely yet they've managed to completely mess the whole thing up by making it over-complicated and creating more plot-holes than you can shake something brown and sticky at.

SPOILERS

They've taken everything that was cool about the show and completely tarnished it. What is the point in watching now that Peter AND Hiro have lost their powers? That was the best thing about the whole show! All the promise of 5 Years Gone has been completely wasted by writers who clearly have absolutely no idea what direction they're going in. What was that about tonight, with Peter injecting himself (conveniently giving himself the power to fly) when Nathan could've just flown them both out of there anyway? Hell, even if he didn't wanna save Peter he could've just flown out of there himself! That and the convenience of Daphne and Ando travelling through time to rescue Hiro have just destroyed my faith in the whole show. It's like they've got a group of 6 year olds writing it, a show doesn't need 6 twists or surprises an episode to make it good, that just makes it entirely shit.


121 urfreegifts.com
Posted on Saturday March 20, 2010, 18:58
Love Heroes beats lost any day

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