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What's The Best TV Show Ever?

Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 10:04 by Helen O'Hara in Small Screen
What's The Best TV Show Ever?

A terrible schism has split the Empire office. Brother is ranged against brother, editor against sub-editor and workie against tea lady. We've had to lock Sam up, lest his rage cause serious property damage and hamper our ability to put the mag out on time, and James has barricaded himself in the kitchen with the coffee machine, and is refusing to come out until everyone accepts his way of thinking. And the terrible controversy that has sparked this war? It's the eternally thorny question: which is better, Battlestar Galactica or The Wire?

Both have been called the greatest show on TV, both have proponents who argue for their status as the greatest of all time (many right here in this office). The Wire brings an unprecedented level of detail, realism and nuance to what could have been a police procedural; Battlestar Galactica turned a old Star Wars rip-off into maybe the most intelligent, layered and philosophical show on TV.

One has drug dealers, one spaceships; one offers characters like egotistical but idealistic cop McNulty or drugdealing businessman Stringer Bell, while the other has tragic heroes like Kara "Starbuck" Thrace and flawed genius Gaius Baltar. In The Wire, the characters have to deal with the corrosive effects of the drug trade at every level of Baltimore society; in Battlestar, it's the near total genocide of the human race and the question of what it means to be human that preoccupies the show. Both have astonishing performances, great writing, incredible music and so much more.

The Wire finished its five season run just over a year ago, so those watching it now are catching up on DVD; Battlestar finishes in the US on Saturday, with its fourth (or fifth, depending on how you define a season cut in half by the writer's strike) season coming to a mammoth finale. So now's the time to hold a (spoiler free) discussion of the relative merits of the two: does The Wire really transcend all other cop shows? Does Battlestar really emerge from the sci-fi genre as a show really worthy of mainstream contention? Or do you still adhere to the West Wing / Sopranos / Deadwood school of thought?

Where do I stand on this issue? Well, let's just say that only one of these shows has received a retrospective at the UN, with the Twelve Colonies in attendance, and cast members and creators discussing the show and So Say We All-ing all over the place (see the video of that Battlestar Galactica evening here), and that I reckon there's a reason for that. Much as I love The Wire, I adore Battlestar because it's reinvented sci-fi, because it manages to be both sweeping and intimate, because it fraks with my head, and because Kara Thrace may be my favourite TV character ever. James disagrees, and I'm hoping he doesn't see this blog or I may lose my watercooler privileges / job / life.

But where do you stand? Let us know: the battle lines are drawn, and Empire lives may depend on your views.

EDIT: We attempted to settle this at this year's Empire Awards, since we had both The Wire's Dominic West and Battlestar's Jamie Bamber in attendance. We were hoping we could persuade them to fight to the death to settle it, but since they were both far too nice we settled for asking them which was better. Unhelpfully, each of them named the other show. Doh!

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1 steveg66
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:14
If this is a 2 horse race then BSG gets my vote. But given the choice it would have to be a tie between Dr Who and Lost

2 montimer
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:22
Sadly, I have never seen the wire (although I was impressed by Generation Kill, and will eventually get around to watching the wire soon), so my opinion probably counts for nothing, but Battlestar is the only show I've ever watched that literally had me shouting at my TV like I was watching a football match.

I initially dismissed BSG as a waste of time Star Trek knock off (initially believing that James Callis was Alexander Siddig), and didn't watch a single episode until a number of trusted friends pressured me into doing so. Then I watch all the first three seasons in the space of two weeks, pausing only to sleep. It really is that good. It's had such an impression on me that I now grin when I hear the first few bars of 'All Along The Watchtower'.

The final season has had a few episodes that aren't up to the highest standards, as they have been setting things up (although the very worst episode of Galactica is infinitely better than the best episodes of Heroes or CSI), but then there was the finale of the first half of season four (who'd have thought Earth would be like that?) and the Gaeta mutiny, which as far as I'm concerned was the very best bit of drama on TV in the last two years.

It's a shame that because of the name, and because it's science fiction it is dismissed out of hand by people who would really appreciate it, because it really is the best TV show ever. So much so that as much as I'm looking forward to Tuesday's finale, I am incredibly sad that I won't get to watch anymore new episodes.

On a related note, I'm getting rid of my TV on Wednesday. There just doesn't seem to be a point in owning one anymore.

3 jimbo82g
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:23
I love BSG but have only watched a couple episodes of the Wire so can't really comment (I will get round to watching it at some point though).

I think I will always have a space in my heart for the Sopranos though. I think that was the 1st tv series which I thought it could be the best ever. However, if BSG finishes as well as I hope it does then it could challenge.

4 domcruise
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:24
What on Earth are you on about Empire? Ok so The Wire is quite good but Battlestar Galactica? Come on. Anyone with any sense will know that the best TV show is Lost without a doubt.

BSG: "most intelligent, layered and philosophical show on TV", apart from Lost, of course.

5 father_jack
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:24
The Wire without question. No other television comes close on how to how much it drags you into its world.

6 Jo Wareham
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:32
Wait a second Empire. You guys did a poll on this last year and The Simpsons (boo!!!) came first followed by Buffy (yay). Surely this is the debate settled and you're just a bit bored in the post Oscar crap film season

7 steve18
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:37
um am i and my mate ash the only 2 people in this world not happy with the fact that starbuck was turned in2 a girl in the new bsg. and i'm sorry the greatest tv show ever is 24 i mean is any1 watchin the 7th season and not lovin it. oh and i refuse 2 watch bsg 4 the above reason and iv not seen the wire but will when bbc2 start showin it.

8 Coups22
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:42
The answer to the title question of this blog is neither! Where is the consideration for Damages, Lost, Mad Men or The Shield? All of these are better than both The Wire and BSG and while BSG may have "reinvented sci-fi" surely such a debate without considering THE programme which re-invented TV - The Sopranos - is pointless!

9 Withnail
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:42
Sorry, but Battlestar - much as I love it - isn't quite in contention. If we're defining greatness as the consistency of quality over a show's lifetime (thus ruling out The Simpsons, which we gaver a lot of love for a long time, but which has, let's face it, been on a down slide for the last few years, and Lost, which is an overrated, overhyped, aimless pile of poo - at best you could say it was good at the beggining and has come good again, but had a massive dip in quality in the middle), then The Wire's real main contender is Deadwood.
It's a question I've been pondering for some time, and still don't have an answer...

10 crimebusterofthesea
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:43
I haven't watched any Battlestar Galactica but I adore The Wire.

I've been getting recommendations all over the place for BG so I'll give it a look but for now my vote lies with The Wire...because, well, how could anything be better than The Wire..?

11 cenaris
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:43
The Sopranos beats both hands down, and you all know it.

12 boriordan
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:48
Both shows are great but I am also on the Lost bandwagon. I believe it has the best writing around and I don't necessarily mean dialogue. The mysteries, the characters, the philosophy, the easter eggs and how it revents itself, to a certain extent, each season. I will cry when it ends. CRY.

13 janedoe
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:48
I think BSG started out pretty strong and then survived on those first seasons, had I started watching with season 3 or 4, I wouldn't have thought what a nonsensical mess. Come on, this season's babies can only survive through the power of love storyline was donwright offensive. I found myself bored so many times throughout Season 4, they didn't manage the political storylines well at all and a lot of the characters have become unlikable and totally inconsistent. It used to be a story about a bunch of survivors that tried to deal with the end of society and struggled to find some kind of future, then it shifted and now it's only about the Cylons, like the humans aren't interesting enough anymore!
I think the writers were too concerned with coming up with shocking and edgy stuff then storyline consistency and an overarching plot, everything feels very random and simplistic at times.
The mutiny plot was quite entertaining but it wasn't really multi-layered, it was clear who we were supposed to side with, all major characters were on one side, the other side were portrayed as rapists and murderers, (back in season 1 the mutiny was a much more complex matter). And I'm sorry but I'm seriously not buying all this trust that is put into the Cylons all of a sudden, it wasn't sold well enough to the audience.
All in all they dropped the ball, Lost is far better constructed and has managed to still be compelling after 5 seasons, it might not be as deep, but I don't think BSG is either, they're just more pretentious.

14 jameswhaleofatime
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:52

15 guypoole
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:52
... Are we missing out The West Wing for a reason?

16 cenaris
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:56
And what about Studio 60?

17 AquaDragon2K
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 13:59
I stand behind BSG!

18 Benjammin
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:08
A terrible schism has split the Empire office. Brother is ranged against brother, editor against sub-editor and workie against tea lady. As soon as we read the identical blog on the Guardian website this morning.

Why do you need to rank one great show against another?
Come the weekend, there's nothing left to watch.

And Deadwood can never be a truly great show until we get some resolution and he ends the thing.
The third series is as frustrating as one legged man in an ass kicking competition.

19 tallaght24
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:08
As much as I love The Wire, Dexter is in fact the best show on TV. Saying that, Patrick 'Snake Hips' Swayze's new show The Beast is impressing me hugely!

20 black adam
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:10
sorry but neither of them are, FIREFLY all the way.

21 gambit21
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:13
Ok I have seen some of The Wire, not all though and I have seen all BSG and Lost and Heroes etc etc. Lost is good but doesn't come close to BSG or The Wire. Heroes is just fun and not really the standard of the others. BSG and The Wire are both brilliant but you just cannot compare the two. They are completely different shows. The Wire is realism at its best, whereas BSG is escapism at its best. They cannot be compared so there is no point in arguing. Oh and by the way Adama snr is the best character in BSG not starbuck. And although I love McNulty, lester Freeman is my favourite. OOOOOH controversial

22 BigLebowski_92
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:14
The Sopranos!

My love to David Chase for creating the best tv-series of all time.

23 James Dyer
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:16
Personally I love BSG. Love it more than anything else currently on television. It would definitely be in my all time top 5 but it's not number one. The best TV show ever made is The Wire, my favourite is The West Wing, and Jimmy McGovern's Cracker falls somewhere between the two. BSG is, hands down, the best thing currently on the airwaves though.

24 eamonn_finn
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:16
Is the issue really which is the best? Its like choosing between

Should the real discussion not revolve around the issue of why so few people here in the UK and Ireland have actually SEEN these shows?

Alas if only they had been picked up by the BBC or Channel 4!

More shows like these, less like Desperate Housewives

25 jameslowe
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:17
You cannot in good conscience turn such a question into a two horse race a simply as that. I prefer 24, Heroes, Criminal Minds and CSY to either of these. Lost is also good if a little chaotic. What about Genre specific, Friends gets my vote ahead of Seinfeld (easily). Back in the day it was Manimal, Airwolf and some show with Holding out for a Hero as the title track. Baywatch surely has one of the biggest globally followings and so has some credibility. You need to have criteria to even consider such a crazy statement. For me,...Jack Bauer kicks ass 24 is one of the few shows I will arrange a schedule around!!

26 Greg Andrew
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:19


PS i like the wire too

PPS and anyone who says lost can piss off because it ain't okay it ain't (but if you do thats fine its your opinion, cool, but it ain't)

PPPS also deadwood's cool

PPPPS heroes wasgreatl but i think the writers strike harmed it and it never really recovered but a brilliant first season


27 McQueen
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:20
Are you serious Empire? A slow (movie)news day perhaps? This is like comparing Joe vs The Volcano against The Godfather. A completely pointless article that I shouldn't even waste my time responding to, but since you asked...The Wire. Quite frankly, there is no debate. But then again, even band-wagon jumping monkey will say that.

28 spyro
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:20
The exact same article is on the Guardian website. Just a coincidence I'm sure.

Anyway, the Wire is in a different league to BSG. The two series' of BSG were great and then it has got progressively worse. I actually have no idea what is going on it anymore, its got too bogged down in mythology and Baltar in his harem doing nothing to push the story forward.

29 barnoid
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:22
[i]The exact same article is on the Guardian website. Just a coincidence I'm sure.[/i]

What he said ^^
...but which article came first?

I don't care either way, personally. Neither of them are films, for a start.

30 jasonbourne.cs
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:22
BSG for the win !!

closely followed by Lost and Dexter

31 rwillis122
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:23
Could everyone please focus on The Wire and BSG. I loved Deadwood too, but stick to the subject people.
BSG for me has been a revelation. I discovered it by chance one night, (during season 1)when there was nothing else on, and was immediatelty hooked.
It has never been afraid to tackles the issues of racism, genocide, cloning, occupational war to name but a few. For the scope of the story lines in a SCI-FI series to be so brave and varied, I cannot recall any other series tackling these issues so compellingly.
It also has some of the strongest female roles in many a year, something that is often overlooked in many series.
I agree with a few people that the final series has dropped the ball a bit in terms of consistency especially in the current half of the season. Since finding earth I think the writers have struggled for ideas. However, having said that, you could'nt describe the first half of the season as sub-standard with the mutiny in particular being one of the highlights of the entire series.
Finally, although the Wire is excellent in it's own genre, I don't think it's as accessible as BSG to male and female viewers; The Wire could be described as "a bit blokey". What do think Ladies?

32 granny
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:25
Seeing as BSGhasn't finished yet this is a bit premature don't you think? It'll all depend on how well they wrap everything up mysteries and all.
The same applies to Lost.

33 Lindz28
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:28
Oh my 2 favourite shows of the moment and would be all time if Joss Whedon was never born. But to choose between the 2?? Maybe BSG would just edge it - but then I've only seen up to season 3 of the Wire (I haven't rented season 4 yet in protest at them killing off my favourite character!!) Hmm, could talk about these 2 shows all day - can I come work at Empire??

34 DJ Satan
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:29
BSG is so boring. I've tried watching it twice and gave up half way through the first season.

We all know the answer is The West WIng anyway.

35 cos1042
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:30
Not seen either and although i agree with rwillis122 of sticking to the point, why has this been made into a two horse race? Is it based on that purely due to the Empire office views...does no-one in your office like The West Wing...or Studio 60?? Yes I admit, I am a bit of a fan of Sorkin!

36 sedgbj
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:35
Kara Thrace is possibly the MOST irritating character on television. And Lost clearly wins the title of best current TV show.

37 thepluginbaby
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:56
Yeah, Lost is pretty good too...

38 joewebsper
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:56
The OC hands down......just kidding, The Wire all the way baby. "Omar's comin' y'all!"

39 vamos
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:57
Well, The Wire is awesome. Its slow building, intelligent, well rounded, has awesome characters, is entertaining but feels vaguely truthful and probably ranks as my favourite show ever. The fifth series was a bit of a disappointment, and I haven’t seen Six feet under / The Sopranos / West Wing to compare it to admittedly, but it rocked my world in a way a TV show never has done before.

BSG has a good pilot movie, a superb first series heavy on the sci-fi and poses interesting questions. The second series then blew it out of the water and was total balls to the floor entertainment. Then series 3 went a bit weirder, but was sporadically great (New Caprica being the highlight), and since then series 4 has left me feeling very odd. The sci-fi aspect is almost entirely gone, and such is the period of time I’ve watched it over and the level of complexity to it all, that at times I have no idea what’s going on or which Cylon model is which. Watching The Wire in one, long, solid run definitely helped. As did watching series 1 + 2 of Galactica one show after the other.

Those webisodes which fill in missing bits of the story were a waste too, as many people would have missed them (me included until last week), but it was a bit annoying this year as some shows seemed to be very out of the blue if you hadn’t seen these (eg. Gaeta’s mutiny)).

But for me, this final series has had some great moments but been too heavy on the heavy handed and meandering religious and philosophical musings and lost its way a bit. With just 1 2 hour special left to go, it feels like half the characters and story threads in previous series have barely been touched yet. But equally, that could be because its such a clever, complicated show that you end up reading meaning into literally EVERY sentence, meaning half of the storyline probably isn’t as deep as you suspect it of being, a bit like Lost was initially. I would have held off from publishing this blog personally until you could compare the shows fairly after this last episode, as for me series 4, and the show itself to a certain degree, hinges on it.

40 Youshouldberunning
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 14:59
Lost is turgid and dire. Get. Over. It.

41 laj105
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 15:00
In this debate it has to be Battlestar Galactica, but are you all really so young as to forget Band of Brothers? Ten hours of stunning television, and it introduced the world to tv's greatest ginger; Captain Winters (aka Damien Lewis)

42 vamos
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 15:03
In summary: BSG is great, and sporadically amazing, and I’d recommend it to some people I know. Whereas The Wire should be taught on the National Curriculum and put on every Mars Lander entering the depths of space...

43 markasmarv
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 15:03
I think some of you fine folks need to re read the article. The Wire and BSG are widley considered, not JUST by Empire, to be 2 of the greatest shows on tv..hence the 2 horse race. Personally i agree..although i also enjoy Lost, Sopranoes, Heroes etc..none of them have the depth and complexities of the 2 above shows. Also the characters are just fantastic. In the Wire Omar the stickup boy is by far the greatest single character to ever grace a tv show...On BSG William Adama would be up there too. I didnt watch The Wire when it was on tv but i watched the box sets one after the other and its the best way to view it, as it can drag a bit watching week to week. BSG i have been following since the start and will be very sad to see it go...its a tough call but since Sci Fi is always my first love im gonna have to go with Battlesar...So Say We All!

44 smiley316
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 15:07
the top 3 shows in the last ten years are the wire,lost and arrested development

45 wooz
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 15:21

46 exandakane
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 15:21
This is a battle that has raged inside my head for a long time now. I am the man with two brains, not Steve Martin. I'm torn between dismissing anll attempts to compile a list as arbitary and an exercise in futility and placing them in a heirachy clearly defined and accurate. But I like them for different reasons.

The Wire is engrossing, enfranchising (I wouldn't no feck all about Baltimore if not) and perfect in just about everyway.

BSG is not perfect; there are clunky lines, a penchant for sentimentality and a few odd episodes. But lets remember its bound by the rules of TV Sci-fi, a medium so full of crap it makes Lost look like a commonsensical edition of panorama, and its 're-creator' is none other than a Star Trek writer, so how he managed to make BSG such a revelation for many people who chuckle at memories of the original, is a mavel. I feel its redefined Science Fiction on TV, or at least hope.

BSG makes large brush strokes in terms of what it wants to do and mostly suceeds. Although I'm perfectly willing to admit the Wire is the 'superior' show, I'm a mug for good science fiction, and BSG is brilliant science fiction.

That said, I loved Our Friends in the North, Edge of Darkness, Soprano's, Band of Brothers and going through Mad Men at the moment. Heroes shouldn't even come into play although I'm quite fond of it; I say some of the BSG dialogue is clunky, but the worst parts are eloquent and poetic compared to Heroes.

ALSO OF NOTE: have some really good deals on US dramas atm: Season 1 of Damages for £8? Yes please!

47 fug91
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 15:35
I've seen an episode of the Wire, going to watch the second tonight, its is pretty damn good however I don't suppose I've seen enough to properly judge. But as for reinventing sci-fi, I'm going to have to shout about Firefly a fair bit, I will get around to watching BSG, but if it's better than Firefly (let's not talk about Serenity, it just isn't good enough) I will be significantly impressed. So much to watch... the Sopranos, Mad Men... it's a list that just keeps getting bigger. I love Lost, and stuck with it through the trash, but it doesn't compare to Firefly.

48 lona_no_friends
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 15:43
Out of the two of them, its EASILY the wire, but no TV show is ever - and I mean EVER - going to be better than The West Wing. Ever.

49 Merc
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 15:45
of these two immin the BSG army, but my fave shpws both didnt get much longevity, Firefly, and coupling.

We are men!

50 chewynewyork
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 15:46
If someone were to ask me how I got hooked onto Battlestar Galactica, I would most likely scratch my head Yogi himself, unable to put a finger on when I sat down for that intrepid, excellently-crafted two-hour pilot. I no longer question the when, I just accepted that this was one of the best, if not the best, shows on TV. Ever. If I tried to peel it like an onion, you would be reading this for quite some time. The complexities of those fundamental questions we all ask are painstakingly put under the microscope, and often you see up close what one person's turmoil costs the mind, body, and soul. In defense of those wicked slick producers at HBO, the few times I have seen the Wire I was properly impressed, especially with the frakkin' dialogue. To be sure, having the Wire on that network did everyone involved justice, as this series is one of the few I will be owning on Blu-ray.

Yet, while the Wire deserves many accolades, it is with Battlestar my devotion lies. To try and pinpoint the great point of this series, while enjoyable, would eat up my time worse than my PS3 does, so I won't attempt. Battlestar is and always will be an examination into what exactly makes us human, flawed, and capable of infinite feats of wonder. Kudos to the film professor who used BSG as a conerstone of their course.

Lastly, my love for this series carries an honor I am quite proud of. It was the first series I had enjoyed that I forced my three daughters to sit down and watch, (at 12, 11, and seven, they loved it) and I can now safely say if they saw Starbuck or Apollo in the street, they would properly maul them for an autograph. Ah, the pride of a parent....

51 down4orce
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 15:47
Love the Wire & BSG. But going to have to give it to BSG, the only show that "ALMOST....." (in many different episodes) made me cry.

52 KingBigkerb
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 15:51
BSG and The Wire, tough call. Both are amazing, both have excellent casts.

I think the only thing that lets BSG down is the ridiculous overuse of 'frak'. When it was something that people would mutter under their breath like 'oh frak' it was perfectly acceptable. When people starting using it as 'motherfrakker' and 'you frakked everyone on the ship!', it got a little silly. Still thats a minor complaint about one of the greatest tv shows of all time.

I think the only thing that lets The Wire down is the fact that it isn't The Shield. The Wire is without question one of the greatest things I've ever seen but nothing has convinced me that it replaces the Shield as my favourite cop show yet. Then again I am only on season 3, maybe I'll change my mind by the end.

Despite both of their merits, I still think that the greatest tv show EVER award should go to The Sopranos, followed closely by Veronica Mars.

53 YoungMovieStar
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 16:08
Prison Break???
My wife doesn't watch a lot of TV, but can't get enough of PB. And no, it's nothing to do with Wentworth Miller and co. It really is a great, clever show.

It takes a very special TV show to get my wife to sit in front of a TV for 8 straight episodes of anything, but 24 is the only thing to achieve this! Awesome.

So perhaps I'm basing the quality of a TV show on weather or not my wife will watch it...

Therefore I'm going for one show... RED DWARF

54 spyro
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 16:11
In answer to your question the article on the guardian was published first;

'This article was first published on at 00.01 GMT on Thursday 19 March 2009.'

55 Koshvorlon84
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 16:14
I've never seen The Wire, but looking forward to it on BBC soon.

I'm working my way through BSG at the moment though and to be honest I'm only watching it as I've not got much else to watch. It's ok, but I'm not sure I would even put it in the top 5 sci-fi shows of all time, let alone best programme of all genres. Starbuck is possibly the most annoying character in the history of TV/film (I even prefer Jar Jar Binks!?!), the two Adamas have the depth of a saucer (although Apollo is quite amusing when he does his 'angry' face) and Laura Roslin is about as much fun as scurvy.

Best sci-fi series: Babylon 5 without any doubt (if you disagree, you're wrong)
Best programme: The West Wing (closely followed by Studio 60, then B5)

56 Chris_Redfield22
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 16:17
battle star galactica is so boring and i dont watch the wire so thew answer to the question none of them are

57 Giles83
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 16:19
Don't watch either, but I would have to say 'Simpsons' is the best ever (that I have seen anyway)! So many quotable lines and it has influnenced so many other tv shows, it is hard to beat! Granted the more recent series and the movie weren't up to scratch but they still had there moments!

Do Walking with Dinosuars, Blue Planet, Nature's Great Events etc fall into the Best TV show Ever categorys or are we just talking fictional tv shows here?

Good call on Band of Brothers by the way! Epic tv right there!

58 BrianShields25
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 16:34
I love sci-fi and hate police shows.

That being said The Wire is better.

However Deadwood, Rome, and Band of Brothers need honorable mention in terms of drama.

Arrested Development and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia are the two best comedies.

59 Gazdance
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 16:37
So many people seeming to miss the point of this blog, i.e. a discussion of the merits of two tv shows in particular. I couldn't give a toss if you love Lost or 24. The Wire and BSG have both, repeatedly been called 'the greatest show on tv', an accolade not afforded to many other shows on a regular basis, if at all.

Anyway, I haven't seen The Wire. I was going to buy the boxset on the strength of what I'd heard but am now hurridly clearing space on my PVR for when BBC 2 starts showing them. If it is half as good as BSG is then I'll be happy.

BSG is, without doubt, one of the most well written, acted and produced shows ever. It poses interesting questions about humanity and wraps it up in some truely stunning sci-fi entertainment. The best thing though, is that it really could be set in any period of history, such is the strength of the writing and ideas. Instead of spaceships, you could have battleships on the sea and instead of human vs cylon it could be East vs West. A friend of mine won't watch it because he "doesn't like sci-fi". It's a real shame because outer space is just the setting and it shows his lack of imagination. The mark of all good sci-fi is it's ability to examine themes and ideas that are relevant to us no matter when. BSG has this ability episode after episode.

60 BrianShields25
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 16:37
Toss Mad Men into the mix for Honorable Mention for Drama and 30 Rock for comedy, can't believe I left those two out.

61 BrianShields25
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 16:45
Second Firefly and Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip.

and yes, Lester Freeman is the best of the police on The Wire, Stringer Bell and Bodie being the best of the street.

Plus we can all agree that Omar is amazing.

62 alpat24
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 16:57
Lost, oh Lost. Can't comment on the above shows as never watched either. But Lost is hands down the best drama/sci-fi series of the last few years. The level of writing, the mythology, the memorable characters and twists involved are over the 4 and half seasons beyond anything else on TV.
I say all this, despite recognising its obvious flaws e.g lack of directions in season 2 and mid season 3, the writers posing to many questions and mysteries and fell under the weight of too many questions and not enough answers. But now they have a deadline tp finish the show, a throughline in the stories and jettisoned the flash backs/forwards, its flying!!

63 doc brown
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 17:06
Its impossible to decide which show is better, both are excellent shows and its impossible to have a discussion about the greatest TV shows without mentioning Arrested Development, The Simpsons (seasons 1-10), Six Feet Under, The Sopranos, The X-files, Seinfeld, Frasier, The Larry Sanders Show, Deadwood, Curb your enthusiasm, Dexter, Buffy etc.

64 lisamoorish
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 17:19
You're having a laugh - Battlestar Galactica??!?!!

NOTHING beats The Wire.

65 lisamoorish
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 17:20

It's crap.

66 sleepwalker
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 17:33
In my humble opinion the best the best show ever is Babylon 5 just because of its rivetting mammoth story arc. Lost is coming a close second place. I have recently been working my way through the West Wing and it is indeed fantastic but sadly doesnt have enough spaceships or monsters.

67 slowhands107
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 17:36

hands down this is the best show ever!

68 Cat_Corportation
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 17:40
It's The Wire, hands down and absolutely no contest whatsoever. I have to say this because I've never been a big TV person, and definitely not a 'cop show' person (although The Wire is obviously more than just a cop show), but I absolutely LOVED that series. So much so, that I'm actually suffering withdrawal symptoms now it's gone, and actually find myself becoming jealous when I hear that another one of my friends is starting to watch it, because they're getting to experience it for the first time. I even sometimes start wondering how McNulty and Bunk are getting on now.......even though I know they're fictional and I'm not insane! That's just a mark of how intensely brilliant the show was. I really enjoyed The Sopranos too, once my boyfriend twisted my arm into watching the DVDs, but I seriously think that after watching The Wire, you never look at TV in the same way again. I had the misfortune of being in the same room while someone was watching CSI recently, and - while I didn't like it before - it was just hilarious by comparison. Accept no substitutes! Wire all the way!

69 Coolerking2007
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 17:42
The Wire is the best show ever. I alwasy fort the Sopranos wud be my all time fave show but The Wire knocks it off the top spot. Its got awesome characters and when violence happens its a shock. Fuck it even has Omar!!! and whats so special abt Lost? yeah its great but its not all that great.

70 VincentWire
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 17:48
So which is better, the Wire or Battlestar Galactica?

There's only one way to find out, FIGHT!

71 jediboi67
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 17:52
Sorry, but it's BSG every time. The Wire is good, but not in BSG's class....

72 serpheus
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 17:53
As Clay Davis would say 'shhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitt' it has to be The Wire hands down.

73 LizzieJ1
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 17:57
I've got two words for you - Sports Night.

74 jambo1979
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:00
WEST WING is best tv ever. Fact

75 Flanboy
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:04
Six Feet Under maybe? You know, like the best damn show that ever was.
Or maybe Firefly, or Arrested Development...?

76 mattdotwalker
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:05
Tough one. They are both so different. I love both shows but if pushed I would say The Wire for one simple reason; it's perfect. BSG is fantastic and matches The Wire for depth and complexity (if not in realism - sound in space!) but it has had it's dips in quality. Understandable given it has had to maintain 22ish episodes per season compared to The Wire's 12 and the dips have been minor but The Wire hasn't put a single foot wrong.

The only problem I have with both shows is that they make everything else a bit rubbish by comparison. The Wire is the worst offender as there isn't a shortage of quality American drama to compare it to. I used to love The Sopranos, it was better then everything! But now it just isn't as good as The Wire. I still love The Sopranos, just not as much as I love The Wire. Likewise with BSG; I just can't enjoy Deep Space Nine as much as I used to!

77 harvey360
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:07
The Wire is better than fracking Battlestar Gallactica.

78 mrjones
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:09
Surely BSG. However, it does have the painful issue afflicting all ci-Fi shows of decreasing budgets meaning that the spend of the early seasons isn't matched later, and I agree with the Baltar issues.

The Wire is epic, and my only complaint would be that it peaked early and the final two seasons were only brilliant and not genius.

Lost is excellent, but has too many weak sections, (viz season 3). Also, whilst it's unfinished, I suspect that much of it won't get tied up, (it's a typical Abrams issue, where he starts strong and then gets bored and doesn't finish well - Alias being the prime proponent of this where the last two seasons were simply a means to the end)

Sopranos is good, but personally I didn't find it as gripping as many others. It's very good though.

The Shield is also brilliant, and whilst I haven't seen the final season yet, it seems as though the duality of Mackie got lost somewhere about s4.

Many ppl have said that Babylon 5 is the best sci-fi, but I've never seen it.

The Simpsons has maybe 14 great seasons, but can't really count because it's essentially a series of one-off shows, rather than any arc.

I'm watching Mad Men as i write this, and it's good, but not great.

Deadwood has a great first season, but personally I found the final season weaker than the rest, (again, like the Wire, we're talking only brilliant).

The West Wing is great for about 4 seasons, but the later seasons weaken significantly.

24 has two or three good seasons, but now is almost a parody of itself. And all it's taught me is that apparently everyone is always a bad guy, except the baddies at the beginning, who aren't really bad baddies. It's pretty formulaic and repeated ad infinitum season by season.

Other worthy mentions - Gen Kill, Homicide, Oz, Alias, The Corner, early- to mid-ER. Breaking Bad, Weeds, Six Feet Under.

Ultimately tho, BSG is the only show that has had me shouting at my TV. And I watch a lot of tv.

79 pudgie01
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:10
I absolutely love BSG and I've only seen the first season of The Wire but I mean to watch it when it's shown on BBC2 but the best show for me has got to be between Lost and Supernatural. However, my main concern is that with BSG finishing on Saturday, The Wire being over, Lost finishing next year and Firefly having been cancelled what the hell are we gonna watch in the next few years that can top any of these shows?

80 Woodland Bear
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:10
Arrested Development for me, though I'm yet to start The Wire...

81 mrjones
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:13
Oh yeah, more honorable mentions - DS9, and Angel. Which,, in fact, did almost make me shout at my tv.

All I can say is next Tues better be epic. Otherwise I'll cry.

82 jokerevo
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:15
Lol this is laughable, BSG swallowed it's own tail following the introduction of the Final Five story arc which completely wrecked the show.

The Wire I cannot honestly comment on as I cannot get into the show because of it's slow pace but there's a reason for that, one show that completely raised the bar and is the standard against which I measure all other shows....The S H I E L D.

83 tallaght24
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:27
Six feet under was amazing TV, heartbreaking and beautiful. Never has a program touched me in the way that did. And nothing has since. Dexter is still the best of late!

84 Amezzeray
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:31
Well said!! Defo BSG for me

85 Eomer_King
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:47
The Wire is magnificent. I've never seen Battlestar Galactica thus I can't comment but as far as I'm concerned The Wire ranks second only to The West Wing on the greatest TV shows ever list. The fact that it's better than The Sopranos says it all.

1.The West Wing
2.The Wire
3.The Sopranos

86 superdan
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:54
The Wire. The Wire. The Wire. I can't believe it's even up for debate. I love Battlestar, but this last season has been frankly bewildering. The Wire - Best. Programme. Ever.

87 Charlie
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:56
I'm a huge fan of both series but still don't think it's much of a contest The Wire is superior in most aspects.

However I'll take a Bluth over a Barksdale any day.

88 chaskins_2004
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 18:59
uh, there is no question....The West Wing!

89 sean3001
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 19:09
what's the best tv show ever? lost, maybe scrubs, but definatley lost,

lost has the most mysteries, great story, drama, excitment and sci fi and fantasy elements

scrubs is easity one of the funniest and most quotable tv series ever (well at leastthe first 5 or 6 seasons)

other notables, buffy the vampire slayer, x files, family guy and south park

90 ovverbruv
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 19:16
The West Wing has to take it for me, great cast, incredible writing. Lost is sooooo dull, watched the first 2 series and got fed up of waiting for something (ANYTHING!!!) to happen.

Between the 2 titular series I would have to go for The Wire.

91 Tokkas100
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 19:17
I'm a massive fan of The Wire, still think it's the greatest contemporary set show I've ever seen.
Although I'm a total mug for The X-Files, (I'm still loathe to admit that it went off the rails after Season 6), and The West Wing, which has got to be seen to believe the quality of the writing and acting. They will both struggle to live up to the perfection of McNulty and Co's struggle through, or against, 5 different facets of Baltimore life.
I must admit that where Sci-Fi or fantasy is concerned, I must give an honourable mention to Babylon 5, even with it's Crossroads quality sets and sometimes awful CGI, it had a story to always make you wnat to see more.
But Battlestar is not only the best sci-fi ever (in my opinion) but truly takes TV to another level, it's uniformly excellent, top-class writing, great performances from top-billing to supporting characters and a story that keeps evolving.
It seems that the best series these days know where to end.
The Sopranos, Six Feet Under, The Wire, The West Wing, all their writers knew when the time had come.
Unfortunately, the reverse is also true, Lost has become unintelligible with actors looking as though they don't know what they're doing anymore and a plot that, probably no-one, believes that JJ Abrams has a clue where it will finish.
Heroes failed to live up to the early promise of the first 12 or so episodes.
24 just refuses to end, Jack will soon be fighting a Chinese Business Conglomerate who are training disease ridden Kung-Fu Pandas to infiltrate and destroy CTU, Keifer's gone from bad-ass to bored.
And I must say, I feel sometimes ashamed to be a TV viewer in an age where they can cancel a series as fresh as Firefly with impugnity. Thank god for the geeks who got Serenity realised.

92 woodseaves
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 19:18
I am hoping that the Battlestar finale will be a fitting end to a fabulous series.
There are moments from this series which are truly remarkable and challenging, like the unflinching scenes of the treatment of the Cylon prisoner (By treatment read systematic and mandated rape and torture) and the many ways that a mirror is held up to humanity, for an often uncomfortable look at what we unfortunately know we are capable of. Then there are the individual stories of struggle and courage and my favourite '...end you!' Laura Roslin moment....breathtaking!

The Wire is also remarkable and, although completely different in tone, also acts to hold up that mirror to humanity and eradicate tired and empty cliches of good versus bad.

Both series take us out of our comfort zones and avoid patronising us at a time when there is such a dismaying amount of shallow, hateful toss on the telly.

Surely we should simply be grateful to have two series like this and rejoice that both somehow avoided the premature deaths at the hands of the networks that other potentially great series couldn't manage.

93 VijayUK
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 19:23
Frak Lost.

(1) BSG, (2) The Wire, (3) The Shield, (4) Twin Peaks, (5) Star Trek: TNG, (6) Dexter, (7) The Office [UK].

I'm in the middle of Babylon 5 and Firefly, so can't really be in the list.

Honorable mention goes to Knight Rider & Batman from the 60's.

94 MAL1201
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 19:24
The X-Files! No question. Granted, it could have done without the last 3 or so seasons, but 1 to 4 and most of 5 are just simply untouchable. Great acting, perfect writing, impeccable production values... Chris Carter's show mantra was "a little movie every week", and nine times out of ten the episodes delivered well up to that standard, sometimes even raising above it.

The best ones were "Shapes", "Irresistible", "Oubliette", "Paper Hearts", "Detour" and "Milagro". Unbelievably scary and maddeningly intense as well as being moving, sexy, philosophical and smart. No TV in HISTORY can come close to even trying to touch these; they're art at its absolute peek!!!

Also in my top five are Dexter, South Park, Futurama and Miami Vice. The best stuff currently on is Terminator: TSCC and Damages.

95 gogzilla
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 19:28
The wire! you fu*k*ng mopes!!!

96 moviemaniac-7
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 19:29
I might go with The Wire, if it comes to a fight between the two. But still, where's Buffy?

97 VijayUK
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 19:30
Just to add, 'All Along The Watchtower' in BSG was an inspired choice, the song just goes round and round in my head. For weeks I thought I was the final cylon

98 rams
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 19:32
I love Battlestar,but comparing it to The's just unfair,BG is an action oriented show which means to entertain a more fast paced audience.The Wire is almost like a play,or a great novel and yes,probably the most consistent and best show on T.V ever.My personal favourite is Six Feet Under,followed by The Sopranos and in third spot The Wire,and then followed by the likes of Deadwood,Oz,Rome,Band of Brothers,etc.
On BG side it would also be good to admit it's insperations like Firefly,Babylon 5 and Star Trek(it's basically all of thes three combined)
It's like comparing The Godfather to Die Hard,they are both great,but one is clearly above.

99 amish_allen
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 19:37
For me the Wire is the best thing to have been on TV

100 sarah_
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 20:01
I've only watched series 1 of the wire but really liked it and never understood why it was never shown here before BBC2 picked it up cheap.

I've watched a few episodes of BSG but think the spin off Caprica looks a better prospect. Best thing I've seen recently is breaking bad which if you like the idea of a small town chemistry teacher with cancer making and attempting to sell crystal meth so his family are alright after he dies then this is for you....

101 indysid
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 20:02
BSG gets MY Vote, I tried to watch the Wire, didn't take. I still believe Six Feet Under and BSG are the best.

102 Leightwinst
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 20:15
I too loved the first two seasons of BSG but switched off when three started.

The Wire was bought for me for christmas and I watched every one by the middle of February. It is the best TV show ever made. I thought the Sopranos couldn't be topped and now I regard that as the second best TV show ever made.

The Wire is the most authentic TV show ever created from it's characters, dialouge, locations etc..

Honourable mentions must go to 24, Lost, Dexter, Generation Kill (which will be spoken in the same breath as the above when it hits a further audience), The Office, The Simpsons and Twin Peaks. Where's the love for Twin Peaks?!!!???!!!?

"That'll work."

103 seadams
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 20:15
Battlestar wins as it is my favourite tv show. I have watch a couple of episodes of the Wire, it is good it just didn't get me as hooked as BSG did, so therefore doesn't compare.

104 paolo verdi
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 20:31
Although I have enjoyed BSG I found that a couple of episodes in the first half of the last series seemed to be padded out a bit whereas there's no fat on The Wire, just good solid character driven story telling. So The Wire wins it for me. Deadwood might have shaved it hadit not been cancelles and left too many loose strands that could have done with being tied up. Why can't the yanks recognise a good thing when they've got it?

105 Dan Howe
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 20:52
Battlestar Galactica!!! Cracking stuff all the way!

But let's not forget the brilliant Edge Of Darkness from the mid-eighties, an utterly compelling performance by the late Bob Peck. Superb.

106 earl.h1
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 20:54
I was really impressed by Generation Kill and I love BSG, I sadly have never seen the Wire but I can't see how anything ever can beat Firefly. Everyone I know who has seen it loves it and I can't say that for any other T.V show.

107 STEELY2600
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 21:15
Sorry but it's got to be The West Wing - got all 7 seasons as a chrimbo prezzie and spent the next 3 months watching every episode and would gladly do it all over again - gripping stuff from first to last. Also NCIS if only because it stars the best actor ever (as awarded by Peter Griffin) Mark Harmon!!!

108 Radical_Duck
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 21:23
Are you actually being serious Empire?!
The Wire? I watched it and found it average as did many around me!
And Lost??? Really, for those who spake of this dreaded show I fear for your sanity, I really do.
I so agree with steveg66 on the Doctor Who part, cause Doctor Who is legendary.

109 fyarl1
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 21:26
west wing...nuff said

110 MathewRed
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 21:33

111 CrassMan
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 22:43
The Wire

...closely followed by Eerie Indiana.

112 chotles
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 22:55
FIREFLY!!! Always will be and without it, Battlestar wouldn't be the same show, there is obvious influence, not just in the space battles (shout out to ZOIC).
And got to mention Whedon's other excellent shows Buffy and Angel.

113 dyl2019
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 23:00
Got to be the Wire by an absolute mile! Galactica just seems like hour after hour of dull filler especially this last series, it's just so boring.
What I loved about the Wire that it never slipped into this habit and all of its episode were packed with content and not just waffle to fill up the season.

114 Roar
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 23:01
Lost sucks! my top three would be - Firefly, Six Feet Under and The Wire!

115 tvaholic
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 23:35
House! or Psych! They are funny smart and very enjoyable! My top three would be House, Psych and Scrubs.

116 tysmuse
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 23:39
The West Wing leaves all other shows in its wake.

117 mikejones144
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 23:54
Lost is easily my favourite show. I love it so much that I decided I wanted to becoem a tv writer/film maker because of it. It might be because I'm quite drunk or because it really is the greatest TV show ever made but I'm going to explain why.

The Wire. Yeah, it's good. it's real. It's hardcore. But BSG took something abstract and made it relevant. Lost did the same. My favourite season (the second, though everyone disagrees) raises questions of destiny, purpose, human rights, faith and leadership.

Each character is perfectly crafted. From Jack to Charlie, each has a clear journey and personality and each speak to the viewer. It has an uncanny knack for creating a character you hate, then revealing traits of their personality to get you on their side. And THEN killing them off. Quadrupling emotional impact. The show is made up of both mythology (the swan, dharma, destiny etc) and character moments (the entirety of the most perfect episode of anything ever, exodus part 1). Better than 'College', better than 'Day Of Days', better than 'Amigos!' better than anything. It's perfect. Building up a mythology over seasons is a brave move by ABC and they should be applauded for it to secure a future for such fantastic shows.

118 The Yellow Dart
Posted on Thursday March 19, 2009, 23:55
I love both, but my vote’s for the wire, because of the fact that it's only 13 episodes per season, it never has filler episodes that pad out the show. BSG having to fill over 20 episodes per season has been guilty of this quite a few times, the ‘unfinished business’ episode (the one with all the boxing) for example, also the most resent season is gotten so sombre without the usual level of excitement that would otherwise balance the bleakness out. The wire’s last season most would agree was the weakest but still superb.
I still think the sopranos is my favourite show ever though as it never faltered on all fronts and the fact that it’s extremely funny makes it endlessly rewatchable.

119 mcloughiom
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 00:06
in the BSG vs Wire debate, it has to be BSG but I have only started working my way through the Wire DVD back catalogue.

However, it's a sad inditement of British TV that the majority of shows mentioned above are all US based. The very best of US TV is unbeatable and to add to the shows already mentioned, I have to list the Shield, Hill Street Blues, NYPD Blue and MASH as being up there with the greats.

But to wave the flag for the UK, the following were superb:

Edge of Darkness
Our friends in the North
Births, Deaths and Marriages

The problem is that these are all "mini-series" so why can't the UK produce long running series of the same quality as the US ? Over to you.

120 Experiment 627
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 00:59
Ahem. Where, may I ask, is Carnivale in all of this? The first season, at least.

Firefly & X-Files are my favourites. As you may infer from that, I would go for BSG out of the two for the title.

Also, wake up people - Lost is total bollocks.

As for UK TV, maybe Shameless?

121 xfiled
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 01:18
both these shows are shit. the x-files is the best

122 dannyboy8704
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 02:02
i agree with that 50-something dude... red dwarf all the way.

123 stuxmusic
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 02:12
BSG is the second best show on telly.
Lost is the the best.
However, Farscape and Firefly still manage to top my list all the time.

124 markasmarv
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 02:54
I have to laugh at people who clearly cant follow Lost so dismiss is as "Crap". I also laugh at people that Dislike intelligent thought provoking stuff like The Wire And BSG..then say "Dr Who is the best". Your funny folk.

125 SanjT
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 07:00
lets be honest, these two shows are amazing pieces of storytelling and great achievements. but we'll never know until BSG actually ends this weekend. Because the true test is which one we want to return to more on dvd.

P.s. i love both shows a hell of a lot but the end of the wire was emotional, like saying goodbye to an old friend so it might just edge ahead unless we get a groundbreaking BSG finale.

126 Cletus Van Damme
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 07:43
BROTHERHOOD never gets mentioned. If you like the Wire, then check out Brotherhood, amazing cast, scripts, acting and layered plot lines. You will also have the warm glow of knowing you are among only a small band of loyal followers. Like the Wire in Season 2. Seriously, check it out, you won't be disappointed.

127 LifeInSTARS
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 07:44
I really want to watch The Wire as I have heard great things about it. Battlestar just isn't my kind of program but I'm sure it is very well made. I would go with The Sopranos as the greatest show ever made. However, I absolutely love Doctor Who and Lost.

128 Dragar 11(New Birth)
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 08:49
The Wire without a doubt. Lost is good but compared to the wire it is just entertaining fluff

129 jjokocha175
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 09:05
The Wire closely followed by The Sopranos. BSG probably doesn't make my top 50. A load of over-hyped, pretentious, sci-fi drivel. And don't even get me started on Lost!

130 SteveBforBored
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 09:16
For a while, The Wire was my favourite drama. I didn't think that TV could get any better. Then, having followed it from the start, I saw the last three episodes of The Shield.

Whilst The Shield's quality was perhaps more inconsistent that that of The Wire, the final 70mins is probably some of the best television I have EVER seen.

Mackey rules.

131 jimbo82g
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 09:22
Argh! I can't believe I forgot about Arrested Development! Series 3 was a bit weak but the 2 before had some the funniest things I've ever seen.

Lost is good but season 2 and 3 kinda bored/annoyed me. Season 5's good so far though.

30 rock is great too.

132 black adam
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 09:29
sorry, i know this is off subject but can anyone tell me if i liked Firefly will i like BSG?
i just wanna know before i go and spend my hard earned cash on a BSG boxset.

133 FGT
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 09:58
You are all either quite mad and deserve to be chopped up or you are all under the influence of demons and should be sent back to Hell

The choice can only be between Dexter or Supernatural

134 Timon
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 09:59
Have yet to see The Wire so I'll say BSG.


135 house5150
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 10:04
BSG bar none. Reinvention of Sci-Fi as more than just goodies vs baddies and who has the biggest gun. Multi layered,character development,several story arcs, movie quality sfx consistently. The Wire, though good, is carrying on where Hill Street Blues started, giving police dramas more grit. BSG takes Sfi-Fi to places unheard of; drugs, prostitution, suicide, rape, torture, mutiny and executions to name but a few. I will miss it, but glad they had the balls to end it before we reached the stage, such as with Lost, where it is being dragged out to make more money.

136 exandakane
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 10:06
I don't see how Firefly can compete with these, even with Nathan Fillion in it; there's just too many dips in quality and some episodes just don't hit it. I like it, but there's no reason to tout it as the best thing ever.

Just to nitpick a little, Firefly episodes that are poor: Safe, Shindig (Idea is nice, but doesn't work), War Stories, The Message and Heart of Gold. That's quite a few bad episodes to weigh against the good.

137 Chris3759
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 10:14
OK. You have all had your say, hands down, however, go's to BOSTON LEGAL. This show boasts two stand out lead actors, great support, can be as abstract and absurd (silly) as any Python sketch and then hit you in the gut with the highest, relevent, drama any TV show (or movie for that matter) is able to deliver. Such a pity it is to end.

138 imissdan
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 10:16
Two words. Quantum Leap.

139 arnovondargen
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 10:19
Though tremendous BSG isn't the best Sci-Fi show to have been on TV, that honour falls to Babylon 5.

In terms of greatness I believe the list runs like this:

Best thing on TV Ever: Band of Brothers

Best TV Show Ever: The Wire

Second Best: The Seasons of the West Wing that Aaron Sorkin Wrote (first four?)

Third Best: The Sopranos

But of course that's just my opinion.

140 jmebaby25
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 10:22
In a faceoff between the two, I'd go with BSG. I like the Wire a lot, but I think that Battlestar just has the edge.

I like the way that it can genuinely surprise you and make incredible changes without regard to preserving particular characters. There is a real possibility that they could kill anyone off in any given episode. Also, remember New Caprica when suddenly it said "Two Years Later" and like that the show had jumped. People had gotten married, had babies, gotten fat... no other show has the guts to do something like that AND have the writers to pull it off.

I loved Firefly and it had the potential to be great, but unfortunately was pulled before it could fulfil it's potential. Deadwood was incredible but as of yet (fingers crossed for rumoured TV movies) doesn't have a satisying conclusion. Lost has made an astonishing return to form, but everything will depend on the ending.

As for 24... every season (apart from the appalling first season) is the same. Jack starts as a rogue agent, on the outside and is convinced out of duty/threat/other to return because he is the ONLY one who can save America. Obviously there is a mole. After torture we realise that this isn't the mole. He is a plant by the government to discover the real mole.

Then, roughly 12 hours into each season, Jack saves the day. The threat is apparently over and Jack can finally eat/go to the toilet. However, we then discover that the villain who Jack just killed, well, he's just a pawn in the real villain's evil scheme.

Despite that, I like and enjoy 24. It's decent escapism which is well shot and acted, but not in a million years is it the best ever series.

141 Evil_Dr_X
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 10:49
Best ever?

Farscape, Dexter, Sopranos

Then BSG.

142 Silvertouch
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 11:05
And the nominees are...

Lost, Sopranos, The Simpsons, and the Wire.

143 Stapledon
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 11:27
I adore both of these shows, but if I had to choose, The Wire gets it for me. Even though I prefer Sci-Fi as a genre.

Personal favourite though is Lost and always will be.

And what about The Prisoner? A very high contender for the best show ever in my eyes.


The Wire
The Prisoner
Battlestar Galactica

144 waltham1979
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 11:35
"I adore Battlestar because it's reinvented sci-fi"

really? Umm how? ...

145 Latharna_t
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 11:59
Red Dwarf.

146 danshaggy292
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 12:02
The Wire, easily. Not seen BSG but I can't imagine it being anywhere near as good as The Wire (I'm currently rewatching Series 2!)

147 Roozle
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 12:17
Nothing has yet surpassed Buffy. End of.

148 Number Six
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 12:29
The Wire, but Deadwood runs a close second, and that never got a proper ending.

149 TheWitherall
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 12:31

And over BSG I would pick Six Feet Under, Twin Peaks, Lars Von Trier's The Kingdom, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Arrested Developement, Gavin & Stacey, Deadwood, The Simpsons, The Sopranos, Dead Set, Firefly... the list don't stop

To be honest, even Neighbours is better than BSG (well, it was, during it's heyday, and you all know when I mean)

150 TheWitherall
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 12:33
And The Thick of It! Don't ever forget The Thick of It!

151 SteveBforBored
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 12:41
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Oz yet either. Adebisi was one of TV's most memorable characters.

152 DorianAsh
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 12:52
I would like to put forward the notion that all these big deal, life defining American TV shows that follow a simple formula so as to take over the lives of those anti-social and anti-intellectual enough to watch them are getting out of hand.
They're all the same, with the same old archetypes, the same old musical cues, the same brief cultural heroes as stars and all take the same route to skirt the "edges" of controversy to become famous.
If one more of my person rambles to me about how great these shows are and how I should spend all my free time holed up in front of my TV boring myslef to death with them, I'm going to kill someone.


153 SteveBforBored
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 12:58
Why did you feel the need to make a comment like that?

Waste of your time innit?

154 Taz69
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 13:04
Out of the two The Wire wins for me.
Overall though The Wire is unilatary trounced by The Shield Vic Mackay, Lem, Shane, Claudette Wimms, Dutch ah hell every character is awesome as are the scripts and evrything else. It truly was The Sweeny for the modern age. It's not my fave though as thats joint choice of The Prisoner and Farscape, both ingenious, sublime characters, superb stories and zipping dialogue in their own way.

155 DorianAsh
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 13:15
Re: SteveBforBored

I made that comment you knob-child, because I like this website and normally I like this blog as it's often very interesting or at least funny. But to find yet more discussion of these American TV shows even here, really irritates me. Can I go nowhere without someone exchanging box-sets or analysing insipid, juvenile characters or being ostracised from yet another lunchtime conversation about these idiotic programmes just because I'm not dysfunctional enough to devote my last few non-television filled hours to them in the first place?

I thought this website was about films? You know, those things you watch for two hours or so once or twice a week and then go back to your normal life, not for countless hours every single night and talk about for the rest of the week?

156 The Yellow Dart
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 13:32
Dorian Ash, (a) you're wrong about those show being all the same and it just shows you've never watched them properly, clearly they have a huge devoted following of discerning viewers (b) you don't have to read this blog, there by avoiding being irritated (c) there's no need for abusive name calling, are you 13 by any chance?

157 SteveBforBored
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 13:41
Wow. Name-calling is a little childish isnt it? Luckily I'm not easily offended.

If you don't like reading about TV boxsets then why the hell are you reading this?

And I'm sure some people would agree with me that there are some TV shows that are better than most films out at the moment.

Also: grow up.

158 jmebaby25
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 13:52

You're both right and wrong. There is a LOT of trash out there and a surprising amount of people will sit vegetating in front of their TVs watching rubbish for hour upon hour per night.

However, you do also get some excellent TV series which will be for 1 hour per week (less time than watching a film for example). I love movies, well actually I love good movies and hate rubbish ones, just like I love a good TV series. When a TV series is done well, it can be better than a film because it has more time to introduce and develop characters and plot (Band of Brothers vrs Saving Private Ryan). It'd be crazy to brand all TV shows in the same category, just as it would to do the same with movies & books.

As for your first post - it's mostly nonsense. Of course they are "just TV shows". Nobody suggested otherwise. Nobody suggested that BSG or The Wire are the greatest thing in history. Nobody commented on whether they have made the world a better place or whether they could heal cancer or raise the dead.

The question was simple: which is the best TV show ever. It's an utterly non-offensive question which could surely only upset an idiot. Even if you hate all TV shows, you'd still be able to comment on which of them is the best (of the worst, if you will). It's open to everyone. The fact is, if you can appreciate an intelligent well written movie, you will appreciate an intelligent well written TV show.

159 saeseetom
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 13:57
The Wire, by far.

160 James1235
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 14:17
The Wire

161 timthetum
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 14:37
I love BSG, as the first TV show to actually live up to some of the promise of written SF, but even having said that it is a bit of a grind - just the one grim note throughout.

The Wire is all of human existence in 5 series; it made me laugh, cry, fume, swear and actually just sit amazed that someone had managed to get this onto TV. Immaculate performances, script and direction.

Really no contest - The Wire is the best ever. Although West Wing and the Sopranos are close. Big fan of Dexter and The Shield too, but they are minor programmes in comparison.


162 Crazel
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 14:47
The Wire!

The Wire is no-holds barred sometimes visceral, viewing experience. I have watched most TV shows and can say with confidence I think the wire stand head and shoulders above anything I have watched.

The story line is so far removed from our way of life that the show is somewhat of a fantasy or adventure. However, the characters, great sound track and camera work make you feel right at home and enable the premise to sink in and hit home with some painful truths.

I do believe that everyone has a right their opinion but some of the s*"t that people are rating above the wire and BSG are just wrong. There is such a thing as "my favourite" and "the best". I.E i love vin diesel films, but do not under any circumstances believe that the films are in anyway great, story-lines are crap, editing is worse but I enjoy it.

In conclusion we all love lost, 24, the shield, sopranos etc etc and many of us may love them more thanthe wire or BSG, but lets not kid ourselves the wire is technically the best TV show ever made.

163 woody1812
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 14:55
The answer is 'Spaced'.

164 Tiany
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 15:00
In my world BSG reinvented not only sci-fi on tv, but tv-shows in general.

165 mightyhypnotoad
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 15:02
No love for Chuck? I'm so dissapointed, a show for geeks by geeks and it's got Adam (the man) Baldwin in a leading role. The Sopranos was flat out epic, and for the record I liked the ending. Firefly should be up there as should Lost, Briscoe County Junior, Breaking Bad, Twin Peaks, Teachers, Studio 60 OTSS, West Wing,
Buffy & Angel, V, Life on Mars, Our Friends in the North and the Simpsons. However my top spot is cohabited by Futurama which needs no introduction, explanation or justification and Supernatural which has been criminally undervalued as a show. It continually pushes the envelope with it's gore content, humor, great characterisation of Sam and Dean the shows sibling protagonists, classic rock soundtrack and the car my god that beautiful car. not to mention the fact Jensen Ackles and Jared Padaleski are incredibly attractive ensures that the show delivers in spades for the female audience too

166 QuietLife
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 15:12
Unless something comes along that is so staggeringly good I honestly believe I will never love a show more than The Sopranos. I think my top 5 would have to go:
1 - The Sopranos -
2 - Dexter -
3 - Lost -
4 - Twin Peaks -
5 - 24 -

167 Calsterman
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 15:13
Well if it's purely an argument about these two shows and just these shows alone the Battlestar wins for me, no point arguing it. Battlestar is deeo, engrossing and above all entertaining. I feel about the wire the same way I feel about Breaking Bad, Fascinating and engrossing but not really entertaining. It gives you an insight into a world you never wish to be apart of.

If this is an argument of the best show on TV right now, then it is Dexter!

168 AngeloComet
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 15:25
I've got high hopes that when Lost ends - and all the mysteries are resolved and the characters find their resolutions - I'll behold all six seasons and consider it to be the finest television show I'll probably ever know.

In the meantime, Battlestar Galactica looks set to be nailing such a status. I await the two-hour with breathless anticipation.

I saw all The Wire. It was great, of course. But it's not got the re-watch potential of BSG, for my money. And it's finest episodes can't compare with, say, the Pegasus episodes of BSG from Season 2, or the Exodus episodes from Season 3, or the Gaeta mutiny episodes that aired recently.

169 losthighway
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 15:42
I found The Wire VERY over-rated and to be quite honest, incredibly dull! As for Battlestar - never watched it as not really my thing. In terms of best TV show ever... two horse race for me between Six Feet Under and This Life. I'd say Six Feet is in the lead though because the final 15minutes of that show is THE best TV ever made IMO.

170 Tosh
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 15:59
Do do De do


171 chotles
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 15:59
Totally forgot to mention Supernatural, best TV show on at the moment. It manages to mix humour with horror and emotion seamlessly and just keeps getting better (loving Castiel), great leads, both talented and easy on the eyes, and complex relationships, can't believe we only have one season left after this one is done :( :( :(

172 markasmarv
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 16:43
DorianAss, maybe your left out of those lunchtime conversations because they dont like you? Just an observation..your clearly a bit of a tool

173 bagrot1
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 16:48
Battlestar can't be any good for two reasons:
It's Sci Fi which as we all know can't be deep, serious or relevant drama.
And it hasn't been cancelled half way through. All sci fi fans know the great shows are axed very quickly because nobody wants to watch them!

174 Gavin_89
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 17:01
I have just finished the 4th Season on the Wire, it is no doubt the greatest piece of television I have ever come across. Nothing even comes close to the greatness that the Wire achieves apart from maybe the sopranos

175 rayoreilly09
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 17:24
Ok back to the debate at hand. The Wire wins it for me, just by a pip. When we finished series 5 I felt a sense of loss that I was never going back to their world again (short of watching over). However I have to credit BSG with successfully drawing me into the sc-fi genre (i.e. the space sort of sc-fi, already sold on demons etc). I am no Star Trek fan so the idea of space ships etc was dull, finally my husband convinced me to watch the mini-series all in one go and I was hooked. The characters are so compelling you can't help but be drawn in. Space battles are a secondary importance to me, but you have to admit it is pretty cool.

Who was it that mentioned Lost in comparison, Pur-LEASE! It no way compares to these series. Lost was good for the first season or two, but has no idea how to maintain a story like The Wire or BSG- nor do the Lost guys know when to quit!

176 brads
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 17:31
The Wire. Hands down. It's not only the best TV show ever made, it is very close to the best thing ever filmed. Period.

Plus, 90% of the BSG cast are not what you would call competent actors. (See Jamie Bamber, now gracing our screens in Law and Order:UK with Bradley Walsh. The East London Brando.)

177 mosephland
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 17:35
Battlestar and the wire are both fantastic....but the following shows kick their ass:

Arrested Development (my vote for best show ever)
30 Rock
Buffy (ahhhhhhhhhh)
Twin Peaks
The Simpsons

Very different shows I know...and these are just the tip of the iceberg.
Not to take anything away from either The Wire or BSG becuase they are incredible. But yeah, I would pick any of the above shows over them anyday...

That said... BSG over The Wire.

178 agent cooper
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 17:35
After being such a big fan of The Soprano's I was most sceptical that The Wire could be as good or even better, so I approached it intrigued and was about a 4-5 episodes in and became totally sucked into that world. I then for next 3 months became utterly engrossed in The Wire. Finishing each series quicker than the last and purchasing it very rapidly. By the time I reached the end of Season 2 I was of the opinion it was on the same level as The Soprano's, by the end of the 5th and final season I was convinced it had eclipsed David Chase's masterful Mafia drama. The Wire is probably one of the most addictive and engrossing things full stop I've ever seen, the acting, writing and direction is utterly stunning. Whereas with the Soprano's I found it engrossing after a while I had no emotional attachment to the characters, they were just horrible ( Camilla being one of the worse) Tony was just a monster and no one was left to connect with, it was great television but I was appalled at their behaviour but the strength of the writing and acting made me continue to watch it.

The Wire although full of some deplorable behaviour and yes Mcnulty was at times an awful prick but his flaws made him somewhat likeable but characters like Bubbles in particular and Omar you really grew to love and was concerned if they'd make it through to the end. I even though maybe Season 3 had fallen short of Season 2 but after watching the 4th Season it seems to grow in stature. Having watched it as a whole it does seem hard to separate a fav season. Season 1 is great, Larry Gillards's performance and story as D'angelo is what hold it together and gives it's emotional drive but S2 is so much more, the dockers story coupled with Stringers dealing with lack of product 3,4,5 just build on the momentum of 2 and characters like , Prop Joe, Brother Mouzone, Bunny & cutty just add to the regulars Bunk, Lester, Daniels, Rawls & Burrell and drive the story even more. BSG I'm yet to see to comment!

179 Giles83
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 17:43
losthighway - Good call on 'This Life'. Really surprised at the lack of UK & Irish based TV show's mentioned here. As for anyone saying Buffy is the Best TV show EVER, please explain?

180 agent cooper
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 17:48
I do love Twin Peaks and did rate as my fav show till the Wire. Honourable shouts to Dexter, still sticking with it, Season 3 was a slow burner but worth the patience and hopefully Season 4 will continue to present new angles as each previous one has. Lost has certainly come back from the dead over the last 2 seasons, 2 & 3 almost made me give up. 24 is just enjoyable nonsence. I will check out BSG, West Wing & Six Feet Under one day.

Giving old blighty a shout Our Friends can stand proud beside any US Drama, the level of acting, writing etc is incredible and British TV has not approached it's brilliance, Even the recent excellent Red Riding falls short of Peter Flannery's drama. Anyone thinks Daniel Craig can't act should check out his performance as Geordie Peacock, he's yet to level the standard of intensity and versatility in a role, his impressive Bond performance seems a mere fluff piece in comparrison.

181 brads
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 17:51
1.) The Wire
2.) The Sopranos
3.) Band Of Brothers
4.) Arrested Development
5.) The Simpsons
6.) The Office
7.) Quantum Leap
8.) 24
9.) The Shield
10.) NYPD Blue

182 faulknerdrummer
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 18:01
The Wire. It's immense.

American TV programmes (especially HBO) are generally the best available (although Entourage is a pile of wank). Band of Brothers deserves a mention also.

But, you can't write off the British completely - Spooks and the BBC's Pride & Prej are both classics.

183 headbocs01
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 18:45
Much like other people who have posted, I have only seen one of these shows (The Wire), but can say with confidence that it is THE best drama that has ever been on television, at least the best I've ever seen.

Not only does it offer gripping drama with a host of memorable and unique characters, it can also boast realism as David Simon spent a whole year shadowing Baltimore Homicide detectives.

184 pwhitehouse
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 18:51
Given that I loved The Wire, and on the strength of an Empire recommendation i've just ordered series 1-4, and pre-ordered the final series. It seems i may have a new show to fixate me once I've finished watching The Shield

185 Postie_P
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 19:14
Having never really managed to follow the Wire, found it quite boring actually and as far as lost is concerned it is the most meaningless television programme ever produced.So what about BSG, I was quite taken aback when I watched the pilot episode of BSG all those years ago and found it strange that Starbuck was a woman but I was almost instantly hooked on a terrific piece of sci fi it got better and better with the occasional not as good as the last episode in amongst it. So to my mind a great improvement on the original series (Richard Hatch now that was a bit of genius) which for a 70's tv programme was brill and that defunitely makes BSG a hell of a lot better than the wire

186 Evil_Bob
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 19:54
Every single person I know who's watched The Wire from beginning to end says its the best TV show ever. I made it through two seasons and while I think its a decent show I still haven't managed to start the 3rd season two years later despite all 5 being in my house. Its good but it didn't make me want to watch more. People have told me that its the 4th season that drags you in but I fail to see how its a good thing when it takes until the 4th season out of 5 before you start loving it.

BSG on the other hand had a great opening mini-series. A great 1st season. A great opening to a second season. A fucking awful middle section to a second season. A so amazing I couldn't believe it ending to a second season. A so amazing I couldn't believe it beginnning to a third season. A pretty decent but kinda dull middle to a third season. An astounding ending to a third season. A totally great first half to a fourth season and so far a painfully laboured and dull second half of a fourth season. I've seen up until eps 18 of the new and final season as I've been saving eps 19 to watch back to back with 20 when its out. Hopefull the show will end as brilliantly as it can be as shown through the previous seasons.

So my vote: BSG. Dunno it if would be the best show on TV but its definitely WAY up there

187 goggleeyes
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 20:18
BSG started off well with a cracking first season, but each series got worse and in the final series they have lost the plot. Very disappointing. I haven't seen 'The Wire' so I can't comment on it. But I really can't say which have been the best two shows. A couple of contenders would have to be the Stargate series, consistently good all the way through, and 'Band of Brothers'. Terminator-Sarah Connors is starting to lose the plot as well. Most of these series are several episodes too long and why is it that American series always seem to do this?

188 Dave25
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 20:21
@ steve18, oooh look mommy a narrow minded prick! You haven't watched bsg because they made starbuck a women?! Are you stoned?! that is on the same level as saying 'I didn't watch John Carpenters The Thing because they filmed it in colour' utter utter horse shit.

189 benmorse
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 20:45
OK, I hardly ever venture on here to comment. So many egos, little Tarantinos etc..


I have just finished watching BSG, and finished the Wire last year. For my money, BSG has been good. Really good in places. Season 4 in particular. Moments of the story are properly jaw dropping, and some of the characters, Baltar in particular, very good.
But on the flip side, it just can't escape it's sci-fi roots. It's based on, let's face it - a silly idea.It's got some character depth, but it's also got lots of easily made decisions, and lazily set up plot contrivances - need I point you to the Adama weight loss plan? two episodes of skipping rope, apparently. The disappointment of who the final cylon was, and the filler episodes post-earth have sealed it.
The counterpoint of the Wire is realism. Multi-angled, refusal to rely on cheap narrative (Starbuck: WHAT AM I???) or silly shock tactics. Characters fused with authenticity that give it an immediacy to the viewer. Three dimensional portrayals of realistic writing that BSG can't hope to match. Re-watch Bubbles hit rock bottom, then watch Tigh's twitchy eyed "what the frak" growling. There's just no contest.

Yes, BSG is good, but the Wire is still light years better. I'll take Omar or Bubbs over Thrace or Tigh, I'm afraid.


190 The Gaffer
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 21:17
1-West Wing
2-The Wire
3-The Sopranos
4-Studio 60

191 dave1159
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 21:21
If we are talking about quality of writing and performances then it has to be The West Wing, despite a very slight dip mid way it was 7 seasons of pure joy...followed by new Doctor Who, anyone who thinks this is just a kids or geek show, doesn't know what they are missing the writing of episodes like `Turn Left' or `Midnight' is just brilliant and I love BSG but it's not a patch on new Who

192 TheMachine
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 21:23
The Wire rules all telly. Bunk, McNulty and Freamon - best 'tecs ever - Omar - best character ever. Must say that The Shield is a close second but it isn't as engaging. BSG - they're making it up as they go thing about BSG are the end credit production company animations!

193 sophieliz90
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 21:36
BSG is the best.

194 mjbeeds
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 22:51
got to be deadwood for me then rome then the sopranos
watched the first season of the wire and was not impressed

195 benmci
Posted on Friday March 20, 2009, 23:45

196 alex.sahounov
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 02:41
If we're talking about a straight-up contest between these two shows, and nothing else, The Wire would come out ahead. EVERY TIME.

Being a serious fan of both shows, I love them quite dearly. However, when comparing BSG to The Wire, there is no contest.

The Wire has one of the most incredible uses of continuity and logical progression ever made for a show. Conversations and incidents that happen in the first two seasons play active parts in what goes on in the fourth and final season. The attention to detail is amazing, and the writers juggle more than 30 characters, who all have logical and deep storylines.

In contrast, BSG starts out with some of the best science-fiction ever made in its first two seasons. There simply isn't a sci-fi show with a better first season than Galactica. Every episode was an "event" episode. That said, after the New Caprica arc, the switch to standalone episodes severely weakened the narrative.

While Galactica created strong metaphors for hot-button issues (the War in Iraq, martial law, genocide), it pales in comparison to the overarching message of The Wire: you can't fight the system, no matter how hard you try. Every episode, and practically every scene, of the show reinforced that message, from the first murder McNulty is seen at, to the murder of Stringer Bell, D'Angelo and Bodie, to the final montage. The cycle just keeps turning, and the only thing that changes are the players.

The core motivation of the Cylons changed from "They Have A Plan" to "We're Just Going To Make This Up As We Go Along". Even the writers themselves admitted that they didn't know who the Final Four Cylons would be until the third season. I love Ron Moore, Jane Espenson and the other writers, but they still pale in comparison to the writers of The Wire, which included actual crime novelists.

That's my perspective on it. The Wire wins, no contest.

197 Koshvorlon84
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 02:52
I can't believe that we've had almost 200 posts, and no-one has mentioned Walker: Texas Ranger

198 Revolution by Night
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 03:46
I'm noticing in a lot of these comments (& in my own life too as it occurred to me that none of my friends have watched it...) a lot of people are saying they haven't seen The Wire, or have only seen a couple of episodes... It's a criminally under viewed show. I watched both these shows from the beginning (although now that I don't have Satellite TV I had to wait for the DVDs to finish them off) and I'm going to have to go with The Wire. Now that wouldn't be a fair statement if I didn't explain why, so here goes...

Both are challenging and intelligently written shows, but BSG is a far more flawed animal. Season 3 felt a tad wayward and overblown, and on occasions characters can come across as preachy and even downright annoying (the whole misguided romance between Starbuck and Apollo just seemed to drag the show down a notch, although Baltar truly is one for the ages). Whereas The Wire went from strength to strength w/every passing season. While it also had its share of hateful characters, they were purposefully so (I defy Chris and Snoop not to get your blood boiling, especially in latter seasons) & the show could simply drop main (& much loved) characters into the realm of mere passers-by for entire seasons. How many episodes of season 4 featured McNulty? Omar (w/out a doubt one of the greatest characters ever brought to life on screen - big or small) would often disappear for multiple episodes a time as would many others, & to do so w/out the adjoining dip in quality that you might expect. Personally I have never seen a show capable of such a feat in all my life.

Take a look at how both shows have ended. The Wire could have gone to a sixth season & possibly beyond (each season had a different focal point, w/out radically changing the set-up, the world was their oyster) but BSG finds itself needing to draw to a close to avoid going the meandering way that lesser shows have gone. I could go on but suffice to say based on consistency alone, it's gotta be The Wire.

199 Revolution by Night
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 03:48
I'm noticing in a lot of these comments (& in my own life too as it occurred to me that none of my friends have watched it) a lot of people are saying they haven't seen The Wire, or have only seen a couple of episodes... It's a criminally under viewed show. I watched both these shows from the beginning (although now that I don't have Satellite TV I had to wait for the DVDs to finish them off) and I'm going to have to go with The Wire. Now that wouldn't be a fair statement if I didn't explain why, so here goes...

Both are challenging and intelligently written shows, but BSG is a far more flawed animal. Season 3 felt a tad wayward and overblown, and on occasions characters can come across as preachy and even downright annoying (the whole misguided romance between Starbuck and Apollo just seemed to drag the show down a notch, although Baltar truly is one for the ages). Whereas The Wire went from strength to strength w/every passing season. While it also had its share of hateful characters, they were purposefully so (I defy Chris and Snoop not to get your blood boiling, especially in latter seasons) & the show could simply drop main (& much loved) characters into the realm of mere passers-by for entire seasons. How many episodes of season 4 featured McNulty? Omar (w/out a doubt one of the greatest characters ever brought to life on screen - big or small) would often disappear for multiple episodes a time as would many others, & to do so w/out the adjoining dip in quality that you might expect. Personally I have never seen a show capable of such a feat in all my life.

Take a look at how both shows have ended. The Wire could have gone to a 6th season & possibly beyond (each season had a different focal point, w/out radically changing the set-up, the world was their oyster) but BSG finds itself needing to draw to a close to avoid going the meandering way that lesser shows have gone. I could go on but suffice to say based on consistency alone, it's gotta be The Wire.

200 pickles4uk
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 10:47
The Wire hands down, just about to watch the fifth and final season watched the other four back to back. Definately the best TV show I have ever seen, I have never been sucked into a fictional world so deeply before. Every character is believable and what I really like about it is there is no clearly defined good or bad people. Some of the cops are dirty and corrupt and some of the drug dealing corner boys are quite innocent people trying to survive in a world they were pulled into. It certainly portrays life truthfully

201 Monkey_of_steel
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 10:54
I know it's possibly a rime to mention a reality and a talk show in this discussion, but The Apprentice is simply awesome and the Daily Show will always have me laughing. But, BSG is frakkin' amazing and I can't wait for the finale.

202 spikespiegel
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 15:00
The West Wing hardly ever puts a foot wrong over 7 seasons. Witty and intelligent, brilliant in all departments. So too with the Sopranos, although it did sometimes meander.

What I love about Lost and Battlestar Galactica is the grand scale of story telling - the epic scope and mythologies that would only work in the medium of tv. I think we'll only really be able to judge Lost come the end of the show.

I have a soft spot for 24, though it can be quite brainless - whilst the first couple of seasons were anything but formulaic, the last couple of seasons seem to be recycling plot points often

Sad to see BSG go - some of the best sci-fi we're likely to see in any medium

203 spikespiegel
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 15:07
so in my opinion:

1. The West Wing
2. Battlestar Galactica
3. The Sopranos
4. 24

Lost will fit somewhere in that list depending on how it ends and how neatly it wraps things up.

204 paulbear
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 15:49
bsg everytime but if you asked me bsg against bringing back farscape well farscape would win hands down

205 ryuheu
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 16:39
1. The Wire
2. Twin Peaks
3. Six Feet Under
4. Firefly
5. Entourage
6. Battlestar Galactica
7. Veronica Mars
8. Carnivale
9. The Sopranos
10. Scrubs
11. The Shield
12. Dexter

206 oliinblack
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 19:39
I cant judge on this because i havnt seen battlestar gallatica , but the wire is the best ive ever watched and im glad its coming to bbc so i can watch it from 1 to 5 again .
I am posting though because people are putting are putting lost on there top 5 or even saying its better than the wire! Yes , the first season was promising but it just turned to shit in the following seasons , with it becoming unessarily over complex and the stories were just turning ridicliosly unrealistic .

My top 5
1. The Wire
2. The Office ( American and British)
3. The Sopranos
4. Scrubs (not because its the most intelligent , because it never faults in making me laugh )
5. Band of Brothers

207 silver_screen_guy
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 20:54
Pretty much everyone who has actually seen The Wire from start to finish who didn't see The Sopranos or The West Wing first has called it the greatest TV show ever. Sentiment aside, that's pretty unanimous in my book. And yeah, I've seen it and it is the greatest ever.

208 paulwhite_666
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 22:48
The best program on TV? Does that mean the program with the most longevity because I'm sorry but shows based around cliffhangers and big reveals such as lost and 24 should never be taken seriously when considering such a question. Also, I don't think there has ever been a perfect American TV show. HBO does seem to concentrate it's arcs over 12 or less episodes which seems like a much better formula but in truth I don't think there has ever been a program without it's faults and without considerable dips in quality.

Example 1: Possibly my favorite program of all time; Buffy, which dips into it's token 'dark' era in season 5 and 6 before surfacing for a season 7 of thrill rides and cheap dialogue

Example 2: BSG. Excellent gripping space opera which I also adore but not without it's flaws. It has a serious in season 3. Gaius' porn star days between the Escape for Caprica and return of Starbuck

Example 3: The Simpsons Post Season 10

Example 4: Whilst these programs dip, HBO programs just slow down. I found the Wire Season 3, often regarded as one of the best, quite slow as with the latter season of Sopranos.

209 reeceharsley
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 23:22
that is so weird seeing this post, friday night i watched the final episode of The Wire and loved it and saturday morning I watched the last episode of Battlestar Galactica that is freaky....

210 ESBJules
Posted on Saturday March 21, 2009, 23:29
The West Wing....................................or Twin Peaks :-)

211 Stapledon
Posted on Sunday March 22, 2009, 11:11
The Battlestar finale was a huge let down, considerably dampening the quality of the show overall.

Where was it all leading? Nowhere. Into a shambles of bad writing.

The Wire ends really well and is excellent throughout. There's no doubt over which is the better show.

212 AlphaOneZero
Posted on Sunday March 22, 2009, 16:07
I didn't enjoy the BSG finale either, well i did, but only up until the bit where they decide to 'start over', that ruined it in my opinion, felt like a cheap shot to round things off.

as for the Wire, only seen a few episodes and i need to get round to buying the boxsets, but i did like what i saw

as for my top ten tv shows:

1: Firefly
2: 24
3: Stargate SG-1
4: Band of Brothers
5: The Simpsons (pre season 16)
6: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
7: Battlestar Galactica
8: The West Wing
9: Dexter
10: Breaking Bad

i would include the wire, but i need to watch an entire season before i decide where i would put it.

213 Rock Strongo
Posted on Sunday March 22, 2009, 19:38
Is this an argument over which is the better show or which is the best TV show ever?
It’s a non-argument anyway, because The Wire is infinitely superior to BSG in every possible way. I would even go as far as to say that The Wire is one of the best TV shows ever, but poor ol' Battlestar even if it had been as consistently brilliant as The Wire still wouldn’t compare. BSG had a couple of truly great seasons, a mixed third in which the rot started to set in and by four the whole thing just completely fell apart, the last episode was disgraceful, but then again so was the whole season and I loved the show, it’s just very clear to me now that Ronald D Moore had no idea what he was doing.

The Best TV show ever made is in fact a programme called Doctor Who, the original Doctor Who that ran from 1963-1989, not that fucking mindless garbage that they’ve been trying to pass off as Doctor Who since 2005.

214 amjpedersen
Posted on Sunday March 22, 2009, 22:20
It has to be the fantastic Bodies which was on BBC3 from 2004-2006. If you've not seen it, rent or buy it... guarantee you won't be disappointed!!

215 MrBVL
Posted on Sunday March 22, 2009, 23:18
Without the X-Files kicking off the new wave of genre television in the early nineties we wouldn't have had half of the shows that we have today. That's why, despite its later seasons, it remains one of the greatest shows of all time. Add to that BSG, The West Wing, Studio 60, Firefly, 24, Friends, ER, and Life on Mars (British version).

Oh, and Lost is just a turgid piece of Abrams crap, like Fringe. It's so overrated it makes me want to cry. If you had to list an Abrams show then at least list his best, ALIAS.

Screw Lost. Screw Heroes. And Screw all the CSI spinoffs. And just don't get me started on Stargate. Why is it that every single world they go to looks like a bleedin' forrest in Vancouver? ABSOLUTE PANTS!!!

There is no better writer in television than Aaron Sorkin. The guy's a genius.

216 SickBoy1122
Posted on Monday March 23, 2009, 04:25
I'm another one who's only seen Galactica, which I love, despite it's stupid boxing episodes and All Along the Watchtower madness and one or two character's I'd like to airlock (ahem, Tory). And personally I thought the ending was sublime. If you're calling it a cop out, then obviously you haven't seen the end of the Sopranos. It left no loose ends, finished off everybody's story satisfyingly, and that last scene was something.

I don't understand debates like this at all. In all honesty isn't comparing Battlestar and The Wire a bit like comparing chalk and cheese? I know I haven't seen The Wire yet but I'm pretty sure it isn't about armageddon and robots. I HAVE seen Deadwood, Sopranos, Firefly etc. and I'd put them in the same rough BRACKET of quality as Battlestar (and The Wire as well I'm sure once I've seen it), but I don't think it's fair to say with shows these good that one is better than the other. I don't think people compare Picasso with Monet like that so why do it with these? Can we not just say they're both frakking awesome in their own ways?

For those of you saying Lost, I don't think you could put it in that bracket yet because it hasn't ended, and I think a show like that needs a good rounded story before you judge it. It's been on course so far but they've given themselves a lot of work to do for the end. It could be a mess. I'm sure it won't be.

And for those of you saying 24? Come on. That show jumped the shark so long ago (cougar!) it's coming around for a second try. No, I'm afraid when Tony Almeida "died," so did my love affair with Jack. The first season especially was brilliant, though, and I gather it's made somewhat of a comeback so maybe I shouldn't be that harsh.

I guess in conclusion all I'll say is, you wouldn't pick a favourite child. Don't pick a favourite show. Love them all for what they are individually. So say we all?

217 enviousstyle
Posted on Monday March 23, 2009, 05:12
what kind of battle is this for best tv show is this who watches battlestar galatica and the wire was good only in the first season..come on empire you can do better than that

218 Glenn Sainsbury
Posted on Monday March 23, 2009, 07:36
Who ever drew up the short list should be dragged out and shot. BSG would be in the top 5, but come on Dr Who has tpo be number 1.

219 Tyler Soze
Posted on Monday March 23, 2009, 10:54
Firstly, The Wire is very very good. Secondly, Battlestar is undeniably the best TV drama I have ever watched, and i have give many many shows a chance. Lost, lost my attention after midway through season 2, it just became monotonous. Heroes, took a dive in quality also in season 2. 24, the first 3 maybe 4 seasons were fantastic, but it has been riding on former glories ever since, (does no one else feel it should have ended or at least been reimagined with Jack walking off into the sunset?!!!) I am currently watching the West Wing and this is very very good, but in a different vein to BSG.
BSG has manintained quality throughout its seasons and although i am very sad i have just one double episode left, I am so happy they didn't pull a 'Lost' and drag it out. In my mind this was Losts downfall and I am told that it has picked up again after stumnbling though. They are going out on top and have had a story mapped out from the beginning.
I do agree with many comments about the fact that this is a sci-fi has made it difficult to get my friends to watch it. I love everything about this show, and will be toasting to its memory on Tuesday night.

220 soccertainer
Posted on Monday March 23, 2009, 11:50
I've watched BSG from the getgo and I'm not a fan of the wire. BSG for three years was magnificent aside from the bad acting, but season four is awful. Awful. And the ending...It should have been cut after season 3. I'd say BSG gets my vote in this poll, but best ever? 24 is the best current for me, and with shows like Alias in bygone days, I think best ever is some stretch.

221 rbostock
Posted on Monday March 23, 2009, 15:00
I've seen every episode of both BSG and The Wire and its pretty much impossible to distinguish them, because they are different themes and genres. The Wire made me sit up and watch, educated me whilst doing so with such realism. BSG makes me slip away into a dream world and contemplate whats real and what isnt and if there is a greater power out there.... I thought the BSG finale was everything I hoped it to be, but to be honest the finale of the Wire fell a bit flat for me - but then again it didnt have the same need to bring everything to a conclusion in the way BSG did. The first half of the BSG finale has blistering action followed by a second half wrap up of all the answers. If you're a non believer or an atheist then maybe some of the answers wont stick, but overall, I think BSG did everything it needed to do to end one of the greatest shows there has ever been.

222 marty_mcfly84
Posted on Monday March 23, 2009, 15:39
Hands down it has to be 'The Wire'

That show is awesome in so many ways and so close to reality without pulling any punches on corrupt police officers and politcians. I love how your sense of who the good guys are fogged over. You give sympthay to both sides of the divide. Awesome characters, awesome story lines and i just love how the theme tune gets done over with a different band every season! Its like Radio 1's live lounge!!

For those that mentioned Studio 60...the first half of that show was genius then it just retreated into any run of the mill soap show, which is why it got canned!

The West Wing was my fav show until the Wire came around though.

1. The Wire
2. The West Wing
3. Band of Brothers
4. Heros
5. 24

BSG.....nae chance!!!

223 hamletr
Posted on Monday March 23, 2009, 15:40
It has to be BSG, its taken scifi and modern tv up a level. It almost dosent matter that its set in space as the lvl of acting and writing is what drives it. The fact that the visuals are amazing is just the icing on the cake, fracking brilliant

224 marty_mcfly84
Posted on Monday March 23, 2009, 15:41
oh and P.S

For all those idiots trying to make a case for Lost, will you please just stop.

Consistency is a major part in deciding a major show across all seasons.

Lost season 2 and 3 was a mess! Fair enough its back to form now but for those 2 seasons it shouldnt even be considered!

225 alanbar
Posted on Monday March 23, 2009, 16:03
Its between the wire and the sopranos.... or maybe a shot of love with tila tequila!

226 saraheddie
Posted on Monday March 23, 2009, 17:21
I think most of my favourite shows have already been mentioned on here (Six Feet Under, Firefly, Dexter, Deadwood, Dr Who among others). I haven't seen the Wire or BSG yet, but I'm looking forward to eventually getting to watch them.

However, I'm slightly disappointed no one has mentioned Life on Mars, one of the most inventive and best made TV series ever done in the UK. Due South hasn't been mentioned either, which was possibly the best things to ever come out of Canada.

227 blamecanada
Posted on Monday March 23, 2009, 21:00
The Wire ... hands down. BSG doesn't even crack my top ten.

1. The Wire
2. Arrested Development
3. The Sopranos
4. Lost
5. Weeds
6. It's Always Sunny in Philipalphia
7. Entourage
8. The Simpsons (pre Season 16)
9. Nip/Tuck
10. Californication

228 sigzero
Posted on Tuesday March 24, 2009, 00:37
Are you kidding "BG" isn't even in the top 100!

229 tomobob
Posted on Tuesday March 24, 2009, 00:44
This is a stupid contest, the wire is way ahead of bsg. The quality of the characters alone beats bsg. Bsg seems to advertise itself with multi layered script plots and the meaning of life thrown in but I think it keeps most of its views by the scantily clad women continuously on show,

1. West Wing
2. The Wire
3. Lost
4. Band of Brothers
5. Sopranos
6. Green Wing
7. 24
8. Six feet under

230 The Whisper
Posted on Tuesday March 24, 2009, 02:50
It's not the fact that BSG has accurately reflected the tormented roller-coaster ride of the American Judaeo-Christian post-liberal psyche from 9/11 to Abu Ghraib that makes it great, nor that its performers convey the barely contained violence of the incarcerated more effectively than any prison tv show in memory. It's the interstellar scrapping that takes it to another level, the grandeur of battlestars and the Cylon base ships, the Stuka - Doodlebug strangeness of the raiders' engines, the hydraulic hiss of the jerry-built raptors and the distorted cockpit chatter - the jump-cut, super-zoom, breathless quality of it all - just imagine what these would be like on the big screen. Oh, and I've never seen The Wire - does it have any frakking toasters in it?

231 scruffylooking
Posted on Tuesday March 24, 2009, 10:24
The Wire - no contest.

BSG's writers dropped the ball mid-way through season 3 with the "Final Five" plot line and the eventual reveals. It showed they didn't have a plan for where they were going from the start and, in retrospect, the show has actually suffered as a result.

232 Big Red
Posted on Tuesday March 24, 2009, 12:42
I happen to think Dexter should get best TV show and Avatar (yes that animated buddist thing) should get an honorable mention.
But after just watching the BSG finale, I really don't know.
I'm only just starting to watch The Wire so we'll see. but
Right now BSG gets my vote!!

233 HedRat
Posted on Tuesday March 24, 2009, 14:51
I can't believe only one person has mentioned House. I'm not saying it's the *absolute* best, but I thought it had established itself enough to turn up on more of peoples lists.

And am I getting old? But it seems people are forgetting how good NYPD Blue was in its day. It still kicks butt against many newer shows in the same genre. I think the problem there is only having 4 seasons on DVD - MORE NYPD BLUE DVDS PLEASE!

I'm a fan of BSG, but although Firefly had less aspirations to make a political statement, it has to be the best ensemble cast of characters in a series ever, and worked from the very start.

234 Deveraux
Posted on Tuesday March 24, 2009, 15:49
Buffy is the winner.

For the dinner party set, the real fight is between The Wire and The Sopranos. I think the latter edges it on the basis that it has more decent gags.

As far as ongoing shows are concerned, it has to be Lost.

235 TheHazman
Posted on Tuesday March 24, 2009, 16:28
This isnt even a contest. the Wire has so much more depth and pretty much the createst characters ever portraid on Television. BSg is good but there are better shows like lost.


236 BigLebowski_92
Posted on Tuesday March 24, 2009, 22:40
My top 5

1. The Sopranos - The most perfect show ever made. It contains everything you need in a TV-series
2. Seinfeld - The show about nothing still works.
3. Friends - I know... But it is funny as hell :)
4. Dexter - So good that it has made me consider a career as a serialkiller. ;)
5. Entourage - It's just so cool...

I should say that I hasn't seen either The Wire or BSG, so that's probably why they aren't on my list.

237 Potatoman
Posted on Wednesday March 25, 2009, 09:25
It has to be Boston Legal. It's got comedy, drama, intelligence, pathos and you actually learn something. As well as having The Shat. Simply brilliant.

238 Greg Andrew
Posted on Wednesday March 25, 2009, 09:49
We are all cylons as i have learnt so i will once again say BSG.

239 scruffylooking
Posted on Wednesday March 25, 2009, 11:13
After watching the finale of BSG last night, does anyone out there want to retract their earlier comments about it being the best thing ever on TV? Any show that relies on the Simpson's "Poochie" ending for one of their major characters (Starbuck) has some serious flaws.

BSG was a bit of fun while it lasted (and before it went completely off the rails) but the poor writing and lack of planning caught up with it in the end. Liked the "Ancient Astronauts" ending but the whole thing had so many plot holes that it left a hollow feeling. Ultimately - GOD DID IT.

240 Oriainarama
Posted on Wednesday March 25, 2009, 12:05
Have to say my personal favourite at the moment is Dexter.

241 mattyredman
Posted on Wednesday March 25, 2009, 17:00
the wire all day long!!!

242 Echo89
Posted on Wednesday March 25, 2009, 23:01
Lost, hands down.

Followed closely by Supernatural

243 CUrraNT
Posted on Thursday March 26, 2009, 06:57
I'd have to agree with 'Oriainarama' Dexter is really good at the moment, second seasons usually slip once you're hooked by the first, but not with this, somehow it just got better and better. I'm just hoping the third doesn't let me down.

For purley MY entertainment I love a bit of Smallville too ;-P

244 bdmrmapf
Posted on Thursday March 26, 2009, 19:59
Ok.... so i made it through post one hundred and something before i gave up.... I'm in my mid thirties... guessing most posters are about 10yrs under me.... wondering if the staff at Empire isn't as well... If the debate here really is "which is the better show - BSG or The Wire?" then you can stop reading this post because I wouldn't know enough, nor care enough about either to comment... If.... IF, the debate is what is the best tv show ever??? well, along with the "readers/public" poll from a bit ago... are you kidding me? M.A.S.H. and or All In The Family should be topic of #1 debate. Acclaim and groundbreaking... 2 words associated with those shows. And do you think their continued syndication is joke??? RIDICULOUS that they are not considered......

.... on a personal note... and saw someone chimed in about Boston Legal.... that would be my personal favorite of all time.... though not better than my previous argument!

245 fish that roared
Posted on Friday March 27, 2009, 15:09
Of these two shows the Wire is better of the two, I loved BSG but it meandered around and ran out of steam a long time before it finally finished which was a pity, and the ending suffered from revenge of the sith-itis - I want to like it but deep down I know it was shit.

Best ending ever still goes to Blakes 7 - is it true? Have you betrayed us, have you betrayed me? Quality.

246 Jemma_F
Posted on Sunday March 29, 2009, 02:11
BSG or The Wire? The answer can only be.............yes! (though I love Firefly, Dexter and West Wing, also).

The Wire connected best with my brain, BSG with my heart. Both are necessary.

247 Agent69
Posted on Monday March 30, 2009, 19:25
Silly people, everybody knows that Galactica is the best show ever.

248 chris willetts
Posted on Monday March 30, 2009, 20:23
Heard so many good things about 'The Wire' I just started watching it now.

For me though its:

1- Nip/Tuck- for me this show is just Perfect, love the characters, controversial storylines that are always gripping and fantastic FX for a TV show.
2- Dexter- Love this show, Michael C.Hall rules, again daring, controversial, originally nail biting show, cant wait for series 3 on FX!!
3- The Sopranos- Awesome, daring show, fantastic acting and character development, incredibly absorbing show.
4- Prison Break- Brilliant entertainment, there arent many shows were every episode no matter how silly it may be at times is so bloody exciting really lookin forward to the finale soon!
5- Six Feet Under- will always be 'The show' that got me into 'Tv Drama' love it, always will.

249 moffatd
Posted on Tuesday March 31, 2009, 11:39
WTF, you people are either 15 or have just got round to getting a tv

1. cracker
2. blackadder (4,2,3,1 in that order)
3. life on mars (uk version)
4. Top Gear - factual but funnnier that 99% of sitcoms
5. frasier - best US sitcom by a mile

250 gluky1
Posted on Thursday April 2, 2009, 03:36
BSG is very good, The Wire is even better but beating them both hands down is The Shield. From the brutal pilot episode on it has been amazing television. This final season 7 is unbelievable in the amount of twists & turns it takes. It is true that the character of Vic has turned from public enemy number one to someone who is more sinned against than sinning, but the development in the characterisation of The Shield's other actors more than makes up for this. What is particulary impressive is the way certain characters can go from hateful to sympathetic in the blink of an eye. Whilst Michael Chicklis is superb as Vic, Walton Goggins is unsurpassable as Shane.
The way Channel 5 is treating this series is curious to say the least. They've had it since last August, and are now showing it at various times on their FIVE US cable channel, whilst happily showing countless CSI's non stop. Come on C5, be proud of it & trumpet it! It is fantastic stuff. Oh, and comedy wise, nothing can top Arrested Development.

251 JLG87
Posted on Friday April 3, 2009, 02:35
I didn't wamnt to comment on this blog, for I have unfortunately not being able to watch neither show (availability and all that)
But my Top 3 shows are "The Colbert Report", "The Sopranos" and "BlackAdder". "TCR" is a work of great comedy and satire, but it's the best because it's firmly anchored by one of the most lovely and kind individuals that television has ever seen. In his guise as a conservative windbag, Colbert pinpoints the stupidity and mean spiritidness that pervades current USA media and parts of society, with hysterical jokes and joyous set pieces that involve a group of game people (His metaphor-off with Sean Penn, for example, was genius). His monologue

"The Sopranos" makes me weep with its quality. The acting by everyone (from leads to extras) is the best I've seen. The writing is beautiful (the realistic conversations, the Shakespearean moments, the hilarious jokes and the philosophical/existensial musings). The fact that I feel like Tony does concerning the yearning of a world lone gone also helps. And his mom is genius.

"BlackAdder" was a masterpiece of comedy, but the four series is the funniest comedy I have seen. I never stop laughing, I love every single character in it and the moments of political observation and humanity makes it even better.

I haven't mentioned the next on my Top 2 ("Monty Python" and "The Simpsons"). And there are more. But the three I mentioned are my picks for Best Non-Fiction Comedy Show, Best Drama and Best Situational Comedy.

252 sithpimp
Posted on Friday April 3, 2009, 11:21
West Wing, The Wire, BSG, Buffy and Angel. When i'm watching either of these they feel like the best TV show ever. I refuse to choose between my kids!

253 Nquoid
Posted on Tuesday April 7, 2009, 15:04
Easily the best show on television of all time is The Wire. I've only seen the first season and a half of Battlestar but all I've heard is that it isn't as strong as the first season from now on, and it didn't come close to matching The Wire at it's best. Season 4 of the Wire is easily one of the best single seasons of television ever and it works together as an amazing whole.

However if you ask what the best show on television is currently then it's a four way tie between Lost, Mad Men, Dexter and Breaking Bad. No show comes close to matching any of these. Even Dexter Season 3 which is weaker than the the seminal Season 2 kicks almost every other show on televisions arse.

254 ChesterCopperpot
Posted on Wednesday April 8, 2009, 07:12
Generation Kill is the best TV show ever. No contest. Find me better characters in television than "Iceman" Colbert, Ray and the Sergeant Major("PO-LICE THAT MOO-STASH!!"). It's perfect television in every respect and I urge everyone who hasn't seen it to do so now. It's an indisputable masterpiece.

It is closely followed by Six Feet Under, Curb Your Enthusiasm(which I can't believe no-one has mentioned) and if anyone remembers it a BBC hospital drama in the mid-to-late 90's by the name of Cardiac Arrest. I think it was written by a former staff nurse and a professional writer whose names I don't know. It was, like The Wire, so authentic and well observed that, if I remember rightly, it ended up being withdrawn due to rather a lot of complaints. If anyone else remembers it they'll know exactly what I mean. It was the shit.

255 Keldy
Posted on Saturday April 11, 2009, 12:14
When this blog was originally written I'd never seen The, just nine episodes in thanks to the Beeb I finally see what all the fuss was about. I must've been living under a rock for the last five years because it's absolute quality. The slow-burn plot has me completely hooked and the attention to detail and realism makes for superb viewing.

256 sharp5150
Posted on Monday April 13, 2009, 03:03
So the best programmes are either BSG, The Wire, Sopranos, Six feet under, west wing, 24, Lost, Dexter, Simpsons, The Shield, Firefly and so on. Has anyone else noted that all are US made. Its true that tv execs only buy the best US shows and leave the dross, but it is telling that the best American shows are head and shoulders above the best of British. So British tv is the best in the world?!!! Dont make me laugh.

257 Blind Spectator
Posted on Tuesday April 14, 2009, 23:16
Same as Keldy here. Only recently got into The Wire after Charlie Brooker recommended it, and coming from him, that's one serious show to put on your 'To Watch' list.
It is indeed bloody brilliant, and in my opinion, better than BSG. Definitely in my top 5.

However, there is only one TV show that can seriously be considered the best ever made, and I'm surprised there isn't more of a consensus on this:
The Sopranoes. Any program that runs for 6 series with no loss of writing, acting and production quality is bound to take the top spot.

As for Lost...gotta be kidding. The first series was brilliant, as good as anything I've seen, but from thereon in it 'lost' my attention and in places I would actually say it was boring. The whole second series was tripe.

Sopranoes all the way, we won't get another program like that for a very long time. And if they make a movie, I'll be sick as a parrot.

258 nimgurth
Posted on Saturday April 18, 2009, 14:10
Married With Children!
if it wasnt for Married With Children the writers, etc... would still be sheep following the orders of the studio heads. Married With Children paved the way for everything that came after it, allowed/s the creativity we get to see on our favorite tv shows now.

259 komic book guy
Posted on Saturday April 18, 2009, 14:41
best tv shows ever
1:battlestar galactica
2:the wire
3:the simpsons
4:doctor who
5:star trek-the original series

this is just my opinion but i do believe that the simpsons was the best thing to ever broadcast onto our boxes but since season 10 it has been seriously crap. i do believe that BSG was heavily influenced by star trek and ows alot of its sucess to it. how is starb uck the greatest tv character ever, what about the Doctor , kirk, mcnulty, homer, mulder and spock. also may i add at the start i found starbuck an annoyingly cocky SOB. i love sci fi and crime so i had to debate with myself about wether the best sci-fi was better than the best crime drama ever.

260 Rdog13
Posted on Tuesday April 21, 2009, 11:51
i have just finished watching the first season of the wire on bbc 2 and it is the best show i have seen. I have never watched battlestar but i would like to.

I love dexter and also band of brothers

261 Cheddarwasp
Posted on Thursday April 23, 2009, 19:08
Best thing I've ever seen on T.V. has to be the series Hollywood (Kevin Brownlow/ David Gill) from around 1979-1980. Sadly it seems it will never come to DVD.
I haven't seen any 24, Sopranos, The Wire 'cos if I miss the first episode, I tend not to watch until it's repeated and then I miss it again!!!
So here we go for shows I do enjoy......
Brass Eye.
The Day Today.
Father Ted.
The League Of Gentlemen.
X- Files.
Being Human.
One Foot In The Grave.
Desperate Housewives.
Sex and the City.
Green Wing.
Doctor Who.
The Simpsons.
American Gothic.
and does anyone remember a series perhaps done early 2000s called "Wonderfalls" I think. That wasn't without it's charm.

262 colmshan1990
Posted on Thursday April 30, 2009, 17:55

263 mickeymickmike
Posted on Friday May 8, 2009, 03:51
fuckin' cocksuckin' Deadwood for the absolute win.

264 davelogan
Posted on Friday May 8, 2009, 13:07
The Sweeney! Spooks! Skins! House! Family Guy! 24! The Daily Show! All great shows, Im into Battlestar Galactica, never seen the Wire, but the shows I've listed are the ones I find bring me the most entertainment.

265 gpd1991
Posted on Monday May 11, 2009, 19:29
Battlestar Galactica is absolutely fantastic
I have to watch The Wire so I can't really say...
Other than those two shows, I can think of:
Grey's Anatomy
Six Feet Under
The West Wing
and more as my favourite shows.

266 dutchSith
Posted on Friday May 22, 2009, 11:47
Since I haven't seen both the new Battlestar Galactica nor the Wire, I have to limit myself to list the tv-show's I have seen and loved.

first three season's of Lost ( season four was utter crap)
The Simpsons
Star Trek: The Next Generation
The Wonderyears
Batman: the animated series.
first season of Twin Peaks

267 Kyuzo
Posted on Sunday May 24, 2009, 12:34
The Simpsons between season 3 to season 9 is the greatest thing since sliced bread! simply untouchable comedic genius and when its not being funny its still enjoyable to watch but the last few seasons of the simpsons have been just dreadfull! possibly the biggest fall from grace ever!

268 nataliesunshine15
Posted on Sunday May 24, 2009, 23:22
The amount of people commenting on here that haven't actually seen The Wire! It is in my opinion faultless on every single level. The standard of direction, scripting, characterisation, realism and acting has created a new standard for US television series, and as the cult phenomena of it increases since more and more people are picking up on the DVD's or watching it late on the BBC, the more it cements itself as one of the all time greats. The Wire...without a doubt.

269 silver_screen_guy
Posted on Wednesday June 3, 2009, 03:11
considering how battlestar nosedived towards the end its a foregone conclusion. the wire vs. thats the real question

270 Osubass
Posted on Tuesday June 9, 2009, 11:19
'Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman' from 1976-77 is better & weirder than any of the above.
325 episodes and to date you can still only get the first series on DVD.

271 johno17
Posted on Tuesday June 9, 2009, 15:36
after just getting to the end of BSG (i waited for the DVD release as watching16 minutes of comercials in each hour gets quite frustraing) it has become clear that Ron Moore wasn't sure how he was going to rap things up, for that reason i'm not sure it can be classed as the best T.V show ever . what i would say is that the show its self contianed some of the best T.V ever ( pretty much all of season 2 is outrageously brilliant ) but i think most people who saw the show would agree it lost it's way toward the end. Piontlessly killing off one of the main characters and then bringing that character back without good expaination didn't really help it's cause.
my vote for best T.V show ever has to go to Firefly, maybe not the most gritty and realistic but probably has the best characters any T.V show has ever seen, and when you consider we're talking about half a season that aired 7 years ago, it always still gets a mention whenever a poll such as this comes around.

272 Orion
Posted on Tuesday June 9, 2009, 17:18
Doctor Who or (possibly a controversial suggestion) Supernatural

Both shows perfectly balance humor, thrills, scares and mystrey, something not many other shows can do. Also Supernatural has a brilliant soundtrack.

273 FutureKazekage
Posted on Tuesday June 9, 2009, 19:17
Of the two it's definately The Wire

However, the best tv show ever made is Buffy... no competition

274 Murumasa
Posted on Sunday June 14, 2009, 19:04
Buffy? Lost? Supernatural? Doctor Who? The Thick of It? Dexter? Firefly?

People we arn't talking about YOUR favorite show or even about very good shows. Isn't this suppose to be a discussion of the best television show ever? Sure there are some damn fine HBO series (Band of Brothers, Sopranos, Curb to name a few) But the best of all of HBO is THE WIRE.

You can't trust polls (those who vote the Simpsons are Plebians and havn't seen anything better, btw if i have to see season 4-9 on channel 4 again ill got mad!) you can't trust your nostalgia (Sure Quantum Leap and Blackadder were funny and well made but calling them the best is a stretch) .

The Wire starts off scary and different by 4 episodes pulls you in and is so unpopular yet highly regarded its your own little secret. In terms of best TV show if we judge it on acting/script/cinematography we go nowhere. Both BSG and the WIRE cut it close. In the end its down to star ratings by EMPIRE
Battlestar Galactica- 2 four stars and 2 five stars
The Wire- 2 five stars
Well the Wire wins by law of averages. And EMPIRE loses by not having more reviews of these great series online. Retrospective review plea!

275 Charles Griffyn
Posted on Monday June 15, 2009, 10:28
Murumasa, you talk about choosing the best telveision show ecer as if its a provable fact, but it isn't. It's all a matter of perspective. To me Doctor Who and Supernatural are the best shows ever made, whilst to others it'd be Lost or Firefly, two shows i dont particulalry like. I have met people who can't stand The Wire or BSG. The only way to get any form of answer is to ask a large collection of people for their favourite TV show then the one that comes out as continuously popular can be given the title of the best, but even then you're going to have hundreds of people going "Why did that get it? I hate that show"
In conclusion, this is a quewstion that can never be firmly answered as to call something the best of anything you have to base it on facts, but how people view telvision shows are all based on opinions meaning the two can never firmly connect and give a definite answer.

276 england_cmr
Posted on Wednesday June 24, 2009, 18:02
LOST and the sarah silverman program is pretty hilarious too

277 alkamal
Posted on Sunday July 5, 2009, 03:03
Forget all this LOST nonsense and BSG sci-fi geeky twaddle. Curb Your Enthusiasm is genius TV and the best TV show by far.

278 Doewke
Posted on Sunday July 5, 2009, 21:18
Oooh no, I would say Criminal minds and House are the best damn TV-shows ever. Stargate Atlantis dominates third place!!

279 Deano1977
Posted on Tuesday July 7, 2009, 11:41
Has there ever been a TV series that has gone the distance? i.e. been consistently great for it's entire span. Red Dwarf and x-files are two of the best, but the later series' of both were rubbish. Lost is now great again, but season 3 was rubbish. Studio 60 was quality, but cancelled too soon, as was Arrested Development.

280 labyrinth4eva
Posted on Tuesday July 7, 2009, 22:05
This blog has kinda turned into a "raise your hand if you like The Wire....ok now BSG" blog. Interesting how neither of these shows are particually accesible, i would like to watch both but cant legally! I missed the start of wire on bbc due to it not being advertised ANYWHERE and on at stupid o clock! So ive decided im gonna go completely out there and say That 70s Show. Frickin hilarious!! And going merrily along with others on here, one has to be X-Files. And how is it people seem to be forgetting The Simpsons??!! Isnt that practically blasphemony?! Im not sure i even spelt that correctly im that bamboozled!

281 theoriginalcynic
Posted on Wednesday July 8, 2009, 16:05
Neither Lost is far better then both of them. Why only two choices? If we have to pick one or the other then BSG.

282 theoriginalcynic
Posted on Wednesday July 8, 2009, 16:06
I see that other people are chossing diffrent shows. So for me it's Frasier and then Buffy.

283 goonerstu72
Posted on Tuesday August 11, 2009, 12:04

I agree with a comment made earlier. We all have shows we love and thats fine but when it comes to choosing what is the BEST (not favourite) I cannot see how any programme ever made comes even close to The Wire.

In my opinion its one of the greatest works of fiction of all time!!

284 StarGirlxXx
Posted on Friday August 21, 2009, 14:03
Freaks and Geeks even though it only lasted the one season.

285 Kimmycat24
Posted on Friday August 21, 2009, 14:26
The best TV shows ever in my opinion are:

Battlestar Galactica
Dr. Who
Band of Brothers (HBO Mini-Series)
State of Play ( BBC Mini-Series)

My personal favourites are:

Black Books
Ugly Betty
Stargate Atlantis
The Original Star Trek

Posted on Tuesday September 15, 2009, 09:53
I loved the first season of Millennium with Lance Henriksen. An underrated show... sombre yes, but highly gripping, with dark stories, superb acting, haunting music and scary baddies that actually looked evil and not like the catalogue models cast in most American shows such as Criminal Minds.

Posted on Tuesday September 15, 2009, 09:56
oh... my fave comedy TV show of all time is I'm Alan Partridge, ah ha...

288 The Running Man
Posted on Monday September 21, 2009, 22:55
What is better between BSG and The Wire? Mmm that's a tough one as both are terrible. One like Star Trek has attracted an obsessive breed of fan who put people off the show through their over exuberance. Another is a show which is so highly regarded by critics that regardless of any flaws it has it has become impervious to criticism, and in my opinion there is much to criticise, including the supposedly 'legendary' anti-hero of Mc Naulty who I quite simply found a degenerate with no redeeming qualities.

289 beerdrinkingclimber
Posted on Tuesday September 22, 2009, 21:13
isn't it a shame that we live in a country that invented the television(well scotland anyway)and the majority of the top 10 tv shows of all time are american. what about the great british made tv shows: the office, alan partridge, spaced, and the creme de la creme, MR BENN. awesome when you're 10 years old.

290 shinysavage
Posted on Saturday September 26, 2009, 22:28
To answer the blog: The Wire. Just. I love BSG with a passion, but the last six episodes of The Wire season 1 just burnt themselves into my brain (so far, it's the only season I've seen, vs the mini-series and first two seasons of BSG). I think it's because there's more satisfaction in The Wire - it's like a puzzle, you can see them collecting all the pieces, before toppling them all in the last couple of episodes. And while BSG has an impressive cast of characters, there isn't the range of development present in The Wire - a particular example being the death of Wallace, which left me staring at the screen in shock. Compare that to the death of, say, Billy in BSG. Unexpected and well done, but by an episode later, I barely missed him.

To answer the question in the title: I have no clue. Best is different to favourite - my favourite show at the moment is Supernatural, which I mainlined in a couple of months, but brilliant though it is, it's nowhere near as good as, say, Firefly (probably my favourite show ever). In terms of consistent quality of writing, directing, and acting, I'd probably have to say - well, actually, I'd go for Firefly at the moment. It's consistently superb throughout, with even its weakest episode (Heart of Gold, in my opinion), being thoroughly high class. BSG and The Wire are up there, obviously, but the shows I would have as contenders, in no particular order...

1) Firefly (actually, definitely first)
2) Green Wing
3) Frasier
4) The Wire
5) BSG
6) Farscape
7) Pushing Daisies

Honourable mentions to:
Buffy (always good, but only sporadically superb - seasons 2,3,5 and maybe 7 are must-sees. The others have amazing episodes, but the overall seasons aren't so good.)
Angel - much the same as Buffy, although kudos for the arching plot.
Carnivale - I'm guessing here, as I've only seen 2 episodes, but it looks very good so far.
Supernatural - always huge fun, and high quality, but hasn't quite reached true genius.

291 Youshouldberunning
Posted on Wednesday September 30, 2009, 13:42
Just in case the answers will be counted up, I want mine out there.
BSG. Definitely.

292 R W
Posted on Wednesday November 18, 2009, 21:53
Though I have only seen the first season of The Wire (my brother thinks this is the greateat show), I have seen the first three seasons of BSG, which has give me more satisfaction in the two weeks when I was watching those seasons.

Before seeing this, in terms of sci-fi I am a huge fan of Firefly and its cinematic spin-off Serenity, which is Joss Whedon's finest moment. But seeing Battlestar, I was in heaven as not only this is a space opera that had great characters, writing and the most impressive CGI in a TV show, but its greatest achievement is its reflection of today's problems. And of course, it has strong themes that were reflected on Blade Runner.

I have not seen Season 4, but there's probably a good chance I'll getting the complete series on Blu-ray for Christmas, so fingers crossed.

While there are other great shows such as Lost, Fringe and True Blood, BSG has something more to offer than just providing the Canadian beauty of Tricia Helfer, which an intelligent and sophisticated way of making sci-fi a serious piece of artistic television.

293 cadz
Posted on Friday November 20, 2009, 01:27
As has been previously mentioned, HBO is pretty much the domineering factor in TV.It's virtually impossible to have seen all the tv shows mentioned above and be a movie buff at the same time,so I have yet to watch Battlestar Galactica, Its Always Sunny.., and The West Wing to name a few of the higher pollers.looking forward to them now,and The Beast(Pat Swayze RIP).Nine episodes into House, good so far.
Thank god the formulas CSI and Law and order one note dreck have been more or less glossed over.Also I found Lost,Prison Break and especially Buffy to be style over substance and severely lacking in the actual drama stakes.
Creme de la creme for me personally-
The Shield,The Wire,The Sopranos,Fr Ted,The Office, 24, Dexter,Oz,Rome,Band of Brothers,Arrested Development, Curb your enthusiasm,Phoenix nights,Entourage,Rescue Me,Firefly,South Park,Monty Python,Fawlty towers,Miami Vice,Extras...also sons of anarchy is not a bad find,from the writers of the shield

294 The Voice of Fate
Posted on Saturday January 9, 2010, 10:56
Forgive the cynicism of extreme age - but your choices do seem to those of young people unable to understand the context in which TV shows appeared over the years and their wider ramifications.

Much as I love Firefly, Pushing Daisies, Wonderfalls, Dr Who, Studio 60, Hustle, Buffy and more - the single biggest impact show, with the widest reach of influence was surely the original Star Trek. It blazed the way for hard sci-fi on world TV. We had Dr Who and Stingray. The US had The Invaders - and that was just about it. Without their slow burn success we'd still be waiting agog for the next episode of Buck Rogers...

295 Kurtis93
Posted on Monday May 24, 2010, 10:58

296 Shauna Ryan
Posted on Monday May 24, 2010, 15:18
No question, its Lost

297 rosskies
Posted on Monday May 24, 2010, 20:31
Spaced, pure fried gold and you all know it!

Posted on Thursday July 1, 2010, 13:10
i think Seinfeld has the perfect balance of the slapstick and intelligent,sarcastic and whatever other types of humor there are. I also find it interesting that the characters do not grow or develop in any manner which they very do in friends in a very cheesy way.

299 Wild about Wilder
Posted on Tuesday August 3, 2010, 13:39
Sorry it has to be The Simpsons even if it's episodes are not as strong anymore just going back over the last 20+ years there's more than enough comedy gold to prove it.

300 gazpop
Posted on Tuesday August 3, 2010, 15:19
I've only seen up to episode 4 of the 2nd series of The Wire and have no complaints with anyone saying it is the best series ever, but for me The Shield just takes. Vic Mackey, what a guy!! Serious balls man...
Who said Friends earlier. Jesus, what a freak! If we're tallking humour Red Dwarf is the nuts (up til Series 5 when it all went stale and annoying)

301 GreenJam
Posted on Monday August 30, 2010, 13:47
shinysavage (No. 290) has the best opinion on this BSG v. Wire debate for me.

302 simjamlmx
Posted on Thursday March 10, 2011, 23:23
"The Shield" "The Wire" "The Sopranos" "DEADWOOD" deadwood being my favourite.

303 willkillyoulast
Posted on Thursday April 28, 2011, 22:04
What about worst? CSI has to be irght up there. What a piece of glorified rubbish that is.

Now...the BEST.

Supernatural is continuously becomming awesome.
Criminal Minds is wonderful.
House is awesome.
The Big Bang Theory is hilarious.
Heroes Season 1 RULES.

There's my favorite.

304 willkillyoulast
Posted on Thursday April 28, 2011, 22:30
And Reaper, Veronica Mars and Psych.

305 TheAmazingOctopus
Posted on Wednesday September 14, 2011, 14:42
Father Ted
Doctor Who

306 TomBowler
Posted on Saturday September 24, 2011, 15:01
Arrested Development???? Anyone???? Definitely in contention for the greatest comedy series of all time. Screw that, there's no contention, it's the funniest comedy series of all time.

As for dramas, the West Wing and the Sopranos are still duking it out in my mind for the top spot, though I think the sheer watchability of the West Wing may be giving it the edge. I don't think that Battlestar is the greatest show of all time, even though I do love it. I haven't seen all of the Wire so I can't definitively comment there but BSG's sheer ingenuity and raw style make it one of my faves. Studio 60 definitely could have been up there but it didn't really get the chance to prove itself.

Oh! And Lost began to become uncannily like its title suggests throughout the seasons and the ending makes me want to hurt people. I don't think it was ever actually "deep" and the ending makes the whole thing even more trivial. Great individual moments aside, the series as a whole was severely lacking. Mad Men has potential and has become one of my favourite dramas, Deadwood is amazing though I haven't finished it yet and Kristen Bell became my favourite person in the world because of Veronica Mars. Firefly's cancellation was criminal, Community needs to get back on track, and I do not, nor will I ever, understand the appeal of those blights upon my screen The Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half Men. I am so glad I got that off my chest.

307 TomBowler
Posted on Saturday September 24, 2011, 15:05
And one last thing... I hate Glee.

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