Be Still My Geeking Heart
Posted on Tuesday August 12, 2008, 14:42 by Olly Richards in Empire States
I'm surprised this hasn't been picked up more widely, but I caught this story via the frequently excellent io9. Turns out that Joss Whedon was once pitching to make a Batman movie. Let's just think about that sentence for a moment. Joss Whedon, which is an ancient geek term for God, was planning to make a movie about Batman, which is an even more ancient geek term for 'ooooh, yay, where's my wallet?'. That could have been something special. Also, why did I not know this? I feel I should have been informed.
I'll be the last person to criticise anything that Christopher Nolan has done with the Batman franchise, but I would give anything to see Whedon's take on Gotham. Some people don't get Whedon – and these people are punished by being forced to endure a Buffy-less hell of their own making, poor dears – and think of him as someone who only trades in pop-culture quips and dark camp. He's so much more than that. Look at this brief description of what Whedon had in mind for Batman, as told to MTV:
"Mine was a bit less epic [than Batman Begins]. It was more about the progression of him and it was more in Gotham City. He didn’t go to Tibet and meet cool people, but it was very similar in vibe...In my version, there was actually a new [villain], it wasn’t one of the classics — which is probably why they didn’t use it. It was more of a ‘Hannibal Lecter’ type — he was somebody already in Arkham Asylum that Bruce went and sort of studied with. It was a whole thing — I get very emotional about it, I still love the story. Maybe I’ll get to do it as a comic one day".
That's not silly, that's ballsy and potentially brilliant. A new villain? Great, keeps everyone guessing. A plot set in Arkham Asylum? That would be perfect. If Gotham is Batman's home ground, then Arkham Asylum is the same for the villains. You'd have Batman ill at ease, with the villain in control. If you want to see proof that Whedon can do scary, then watch the 'Hush' episode of Buffy. Then watch 'The Body' to see that he can do drama. Then watch all the rest of the episodes because, well, that's just good sense. The set-up is arguably braver than Nolan's Batman Begins, which is, after all, just an origin story, albeit a terrifically told one.
Whedon mentions that he'd consider telling the story as a comic book, but I don't want that. I want to see the film. You made Doctor Horrible off your own back, Mr Whedon, and well done you for doing so. Just stump up several more million dollars and make this as an experiment. Your fans would love you for it and we'd all chip in to help you in the inevitable legal battle that you'd face against Warner Bros. Oh, go on. You're mean.
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Posted on Tuesday August 12, 2008, 16:53
As no one else has commented yet, I can be the first to say...
Nathan Fillion as Batman.
In other news... I'd LOVE to see Whedon's Batman, whether a comic or a film. Maybe after Nolan's finished with his Dark Knight, Warners could hand the whole DC Universe over to Whedon to make movies of... I am officially 46% less excited about the Wonder Woman film since Whedon left, and he's one guy who could DEFINITELY make a JLA movie work!
Posted on Tuesday August 12, 2008, 16:59
Captain Hammer as Batman? Too delicious for words! Although it would possibly be difficult to take him seriously - I'd keep expecting him to break into song! Although it would make the film at least 27% better I guess.
Whedon's description of what he had in mind is certainly intriguing. I like the idea of focusing on Arkham a bit more.
Posted on Tuesday August 12, 2008, 17:07
Well, obviously Nathan Fillion should play everyone. In everything.
Posted on Tuesday August 12, 2008, 17:33
Im sure I read somewhere that Nathan Fillion was lined up to play Batman in the upcoming Justice League movie?
Either that or I dreamt it.
Yeah, I think I dreamt it.
Actually, give the justice league movie to Whedon, that way the Batman franchise would continue in Nolan's hands and everyone would be happy!
Kapow! Kasplat! etc....
Posted on Tuesday August 12, 2008, 18:00
Batman does, after all, wear tight pants. There could be no other contender than Cap'n Tightpants himself.
Posted on Tuesday August 12, 2008, 19:29
I don't see why that couldn't work for Batman 4 or 5.
I'd also love Del Toro to do a Batman film.
Posted on Tuesday August 12, 2008, 23:43
I'm pretty sure I've heard the Whedon story before...in EMPIRE, no less! Maybe in about 10-15 years he can revive his story for a TV version of Bats when the Nolanverse is but a sweet memory.
Posted on Wednesday August 13, 2008, 01:35
Joss is like a cooler version of Midas. Except everything he touches doesn't turn into gold, which is boring and unfunny, but into tiny pieces of Geek Heaven.
Can you not imagine? Batman in Arkham "Captain Hammer, I've been expecting you...."
P.S JOSS FOR PRESIDENT! Seriously, how amazing would that be? If Paris Hilton can get a joke vote, then why can't he? Of course it wouldn't be a joke, it would be the greatest thing since a certain blonde picked up a stake.
Posted on Wednesday August 13, 2008, 10:35
I think making the transition from Buffy to Batman would be a breeze for Joss Whedon. I mean the surviving central cast from Batman is quite similar to the Slayer set up
Buffy - Batman, naturally
Giles - Alfred. Wears a suit all day, is the voice of reason and looks like he could kick ass whilst sporting a more cockney accent a smoking a fag...
Willow - Lucius Fox. Good with Computers, nervous about doing illegal things, likes women...
Xander - Commisioner Gordon. No super powers but willing to put himself on the front line and has a crush on the hero, probably
Posted on Wednesday August 13, 2008, 12:00
Given Whedon's obsession with girls kicking butt (Buffy, River in Serenity, the failed Wonder Woman film) maybe the night time adventures of Barbara Gordon (i.e. Batgirl) would be more appropriate. Batman would be more of a background role as Commissioner Gordon's (presumably young and nubile) daughter begins to mimic the activities of the Dark Knight. Would make a good tv series, I think (yes, I know Birds of Prey was rubbish but that wasn't a Joss project).
Posted on Wednesday August 13, 2008, 12:44
Ok, I'm gonna be the first to say it.
Now I'm not some Buffy-hating TV retard that only watches the discovery channel (I do hate Buffy, but everything else Whedon does is pretty much genius), but the idea of Whedon doing the Dark Knight makes my skin crawl. Yes, you can point to individual episodes of Buffy where he's done work that is interesting BY COMPARISON, but that ain't the same as a 2+ hour movie.
What Whedon does is take 2D characters and give them enough depth so that you can invest in them. But he can never be accused of getting deep beneath the skin of his characters. Look at his greatest creation, Malcolm Reynolds. He's just a rogue with a heart of gold. He's an ex-war hero. That's all you need to know, and all you get. But he injects him with such charm and humanity that you can't help but love rooting for this permanent underdog. Batman needs someone who can get to grips with the complex psychology behind Bruce Wayne, and I cannot believe that Joss can do it.
Plus, there's no way Joss Whedon could make a full length film without a trademark quip. Batman don't quip. He acts. There's certainly nothing wrong with humour in Whedon's stuff, he's freakin' hilarious. But why choke himself by trying to mould a charcter to his style?
As for the story, so what? The guy is a scriptwriter with a comics background! If he can't write a good Batman tale then his P45 had better be in the post! As Olly said Batman Begins was just an (exceptional) origin story, but it was the director that took us on an amazing journey into Batman's world.
So I say let the guy write the script. But even better, let him do Justice League. Can you imagine Whedon doing Flash AND Wonder Woman? Give him the job now. I also like Pyrate's idea of Batgirl but I think it's ground that's been covered too much (both by character, and director).
Sorry for the rant. But I now expect payback from the Whedon die-hards. So in true comic style...
Posted on Wednesday August 13, 2008, 13:10
Holy cow, yes. I'm officially drooling at the prospect. Unfortunately, knowing what the tight-arsed studios are like, I can only assume that this project will remain in the 'most desperately wished for' category to which Firefly Season 2 seems likely to be confined. Since anything that Joss Whedon does = win, I'm sure we the fans could actually raise the money needed for the film budget (and in the 'fans' category I am including some of the forward-thinking moviemakers I know in my heart must exist out there somewhere). Also, am thinking Doctor Horrible could have a place in this - as Captain Hammer's reluctant-but-shanghied Batman sidekick perhaps? I would however be expecting at least one 'spontaneously bursting into song' moment with that pairing.
Posted on Wednesday August 13, 2008, 13:37
Sorry Olly, totally have to disagree with your here mate.
Whedon would be the wrong person to follow on from Nolan. We're talking about a guy who took a dead franchise and completely turned it on it's head without making compromises. Nolan assembled great casts and got the very best out of those actors. Through great writing and the ability to coax supreme performances from Christian Bale, he clearly showed that he completely understands the very complex Bruce Wayne psyche. I was left in no doubt from watching Nolan's films that Bruce Wayne, clearly insane, walks the delicate tightrope between right and wrong. Now don't get me wrong, Whedon is a very competent director, but in my opinion unable to get the same kind of performance from his actors.
Nolan also nailed the look and feel of the Batman universe. Although firmly set within the realms of fantasy, the films feel like they could be set in the real world and I think a lot of people connected with that. It made them more - pardon the expression - believable, and it made the films more earthy and grittier. I believe Whedon would take the franchise down the path of the Schumacher. Admittedly not as shit, but glossy, more polished and exaggerated. And by that I mean unnecessary humour and the higher probability of the introduction of characters like Batgirl and Poison Ivy.
I like Whedon and I know he's a comic book geek who knows his stuff (loved his Astonishing X-Men). But therein lies the problem. I like the fact that Batman is different from the rest of the comic book universe and that's what sets it apart. Yes, Batman is a comic book character and there's no getting away from that. In Nolan's films he feels less of a comic book character and more like a masked vigilante who balances on the edge of sanity as he struggles with his own and Gotham's demons. Whedon would give us a comic book movie because that's what he does.
Posted on Wednesday August 13, 2008, 13:42
As much as I would dearly love to see Batman (love him) and Joss Whedon (love him even more) together in beautiful harmony I don't think my love for either could survive completely intact.
Whedon may be the God of Geekdom but his humour is what gives him that real shine for me. The quips, the sarcasm, the downright double-entendre are essential in any Whedon work, for me anyway.
Batman is all about the shadows and shades of grey, which in it's current incarnation doesn't lend itself to the same kind of dry wit. Sure the Joker made me laugh so hard my stomach hurt but where else do you have the opportunity for that kind of Ha Ha? Alfred has his odd lines here and there but that does not a Whedon make.
Having said all that i'd certainly see said proposed batdon flick and probably more than once. But if I end up crying, on EMPIREs head be it!
Posted on Wednesday August 13, 2008, 14:03
I have the big love for Joss and, yeah, who wouldn’t love to see another quality Batman flick (I’m of not doubt that he’d pull it off) – actually, let’s be honest, I think we all just want to see another Whedon film at this point.
Having said that, I have to ask, would the character of Batman necessarily get the very best out of Joss? I’m not sure. Now if we were talking about one Peter Parker: a beloved character that, in my opinion, is very much in need of a new creative team ---- I think “match made in heaven” kinda sums it up.
And, bonus, *finally* the nightmares about Spider-Man 3 would stop! No more Spidey-dance!
Posted on Wednesday August 13, 2008, 15:04
Oh yeah Spiderman 3 or *spidey do the mambo* as I like to call it should be written out of existence and Joss should make us the Spidey 3 we deserve.
Posted on Wednesday August 13, 2008, 15:22
"No more Spidey-dance"? - you've seen the sing-along blog right?! And the singing Buffy episode? I think a musical number would be all but guaranteed! :)
Posted on Wednesday August 13, 2008, 15:33
Yeah, I'm afraid I'm very much in the Joss/Spidey camp. I love everything Whedon does, but Batman just isn't a good fit in this post-Nolan age. Spider-Man and Peter Parker would absolutely sync up with his sensibilities. Whedon's heroes (Buffy, Angel, Mal, etc.) can always manage a quip in the middle of a fight to the death, which is very much a Spidey characteristic, not Batman.
Now, I'm not saying that Whedon isn't capable of doing something different, far from it. As Olly pointed out, The Body was one of the most affecting and intense hours of television I've seen. I just think Spider-Man is a much better match.
Ideally, make a Spider-Man movie and a Batman comic. Once I've seen the comic, then we can talk!
Posted on Wednesday August 13, 2008, 16:05
I don't get all the fuss that Empire makes with this Whedon guy. I saw Serenity on the back of Empire's positive talk about Firefly and it turned out to be a load of rubbish....like the worst kind of cheesy starwars rip off i could imagine...i cant even remember anything about it now it was that lame....what else has he done, BUFFY? are you kidding me? whats next the director of CHARMED making the next SUPERMAN film?
Furthermore, having a new 'invented by WHEDON' villain smacks of self importance from him....like BATMAN has 70 years of classic villains but apparently WHEDON can do better than all of them? give me a break! stick to making teen vampire shows WHEDON, leave the real business to the experts.
Posted on Wednesday August 13, 2008, 16:34
Mother of Christ *eyes rolling to back of head*
Posted on Wednesday August 13, 2008, 16:43
So, even though Christopher Nolan has just made the definitive Batman film, an early contender for film of the year, which may well becoming the most successful film ever if it continues to destroy the competition at the box office, it wasn't enough for you?
I'm sure Whedon's Batman would have been worth a look - he's a great writer and a lovely bloke. But why not take off your fanboy jumper, put away the buffy DVD's, and be grateful for what you have. If you're going to spend a whole blog pontificating over what could have been, why not be grateful for what you have, and aknowledge Nolan, a director (and talented writer) who has yet to make a bad film?
Posted on Thursday August 14, 2008, 00:23
Let's get one thing abundantly clear:
Charmed = Utter shite
Buffy = The defining TV show for a generation, total genius
To even suggest the two are comparable quality-wise should be punishable by being locked in a windowless room and being forced to watch The Fantastic Four over and over forever...
Got to agree with citizen_smith above though, Joss would have probably made a great Batman, but I can't imagine it being better than Nolan's.
Posted on Thursday August 14, 2008, 12:18
I have two words as to why this man should never be allowed anywhere near any established franchise - ALIEN RESURRECTION!
OK, so the visuals are not his but the script is! And what are the three major starting points for any great film? The script, the script & THE SCRIPT!
Whedon creates a "New Alien" for his new take on the franchise that blatantly leads up to the option for a further sequel, that Whedon no doubt finished immediately after writing this and intended to direct based on the fantastical idea that resurrection was any good what so ever! (In fact in the original script the wounded new born hobbles off toward an Earth City - Drivel!)
Instead, it resulted in the death of a franchise that probably should never have been resurrected after Alien3 anyway!
Compare this to his "Newly created" Bat Bad Guy "Kinda Like Lector"!? and is this not evidence enough that this man should be banished forever to the realms of straight to DVD tosh rather than trying to interfere with franchises that don't need his "Geek Midas Touch".
Posted on Thursday August 14, 2008, 13:04
Hmm a brooding character at conflict because he doesn't know whether he is good or evil.
Sounds a bit like Whedon's Angel to me.
A spin off series far superior (and darker) than its predecessor.
And a lead character not averse to a bit of the old ultra violence, whilst wrestling with his inner demon (literally) and trying to do the right thing.
I'd be interested to see where Whedon went with Batman. Hell, even get Boreanez to play him if you must.
But then I am in the minority as I don't think Batman Begins & The Dark Knight are the greatest films ever committed to celluloid. When all the dust settles they will be seen for what they are, just very good popcorn films.
Posted on Thursday August 14, 2008, 13:21
How exactly did you get into my dream last night?
In all seriousness, Whedon has proved time and again that he's destined for greater things and I think that if WB gave him a chance (once dust has settled on Nolan's vision) the results could be exceptional.
I'm still seeing Boreanaz in tight rubber though and that's a good thought
Posted on Friday August 15, 2008, 13:39
Damn I hope he gets his wish some day! Although... I also hope he goes for a radical new plot twist (for Joss) and actually has a female character who doesn't get her life totally screwed over or totally snubbed out just for being around.
He's more than up to the task of creating something suitably sinister, dark and dramatic, but at the same time more fitting than the current (superb!) adaptations in that his style is more in keeping with Batman's comic book origins. I'd love to see what he comes up with!
Posted on Friday August 15, 2008, 14:26
Gotta say if Whedon made Batman and then one day I heard rumours that Christopher Nolan once had the chance then THATS when I'd shed a tear. I'll happily take the confirmed Nolanverse over the speculative Whedonverse.
Posted on Friday August 15, 2008, 14:53
Just use the story for Dr. Horrible season 2, Joss. You can do it!
Posted on Friday August 15, 2008, 14:54
Whilst nobody is claiming that Serenity is classic cinema, it was a great little sci-fi that was infinitelty more fun to watch than the Star Wars prequels. It was most certainly not a Star Wars rip off (Nathan Fillion's Han Solo alike captain excepted).
Posted on Friday August 15, 2008, 15:29
I'm all down with Whedon's nudge nuge wink wink wisecracking emo fanboy thing, but for Batman.... no way. Sounds a little too much like misappropriated talent.
Posted on Friday August 15, 2008, 15:50
Whedon would have made a good job but I'm still wondering why no one has asked Sandy Collora to do an epic Batman as his Dead End was amazing!
why doesn't Whedon do the Avengers? would be better than JLA
or even better do the Scarlett Spider (Ben Riley clone of Peter Parker) more edgy and violent!
Posted on Friday August 15, 2008, 16:53
Ugh. This thread is too geeky for me. Retreat! Retreat!
Posted on Friday August 15, 2008, 17:09
I agree metalig Dead End is really really good. Must watch that again actually.
Now I'm a massive fan of Whedon and although I would certainly be interested in a comic version I love what Nolan has done and am quite happy to see him continue. Also I agree with what others have said I think Spiderman would be a much better fit although I would certainly think about getting him in to help with the writing for Catwoman if she is to make and appearance in the next Batman flick.
Posted on Friday August 15, 2008, 19:09
now i love joss whedon but some of these crazy folks on here are kinda right. i mean in buffy -which i love so dont rant at me- there was a lot of humour, a lot of sarcasm and sometimes it was tongue-in-cheek. as much as i love that, Batman could not reel off quips at thugs or suddenly burst into song down an alleyway. i know whedon can create drama and he can make you cry but.... i dont know maybe i'm kinda hoping that he will make a buffy/angel/spike film instead. btw empire, any goss on that?
Posted on Friday August 15, 2008, 20:17
That guy who gave us... Serenity? I dont get the raving.
Posted on Friday August 15, 2008, 23:09
Ok, I have a few things to say on this topic.
For the person who doubted whether Whedon could get behind the "complex psychology behind Bruce Wayne" could I just mention one thing... River Tam. Never have I seen on screen a more complex, kind and inteligent writing of someone with "complex psychology". She is a brilliant creation, just watch River's scene in 'Safe' if you don't agree. He manages to show how it is possible to see the world through her eyes and struggle to understand it. River makes no quips, she doesn't need to. All you need is a line, a single shot, or a look and you can feel empathy, love or fear. Exactly what Batman needs.
As for Alien 4: every director or scriptwriter has made a mistake. It comes with the industry. I bet even Nolan has made a bad judgement or two (although admitingly I'm not that familiar with Nolan's work other than the Batman's) we all have. You learn from your mistakes and Whedon's learnt from his, mistakes make you into a better scriptwriter.
Saying that the idea for Alien 4 is very brave and original. Now I'm not saying it's the greatest idea ever but it is cleverly thought out. I know of no other story about a motherly connection with the thing you hate most and have to kill. It's an intriguing idea!
No one seems to have faith that Whedon can do something different. Just because Buffy contains sarcy humour it doesn't mean his Batman will. That is unjust generalisation and Whedon deserves better than that. Buffy and Mal quipped because that's who they were - Batman is different and Whedon understands that.
Now no one is saying they want a remake of Batman Begins or the Dark Knight. Nolan is a wonderful director and his films are stunning and clever. But Whedon would do something different. I don't excpect better (that can't really happen) I want different. And I think Whedon's stunning imagination deserves the chance to be unleashed on Batman. : )
My name is Legion
Posted on Saturday August 16, 2008, 05:08
What that Buffy bloke? You're having a giraffe mate.
Hmm... A consistently excellent feature director (a very rare thing), or some TV bod who "geeks" baffling love.
No contest, and this is coming from someone who hasn't even seen "The Dark Knight" yet.
Posted on Saturday August 16, 2008, 08:26
Wow I wish people would stop comparing Whedon and Nolon. They are two very different directors.
I would love to see what Whedon would do with Batman purley because I would love to see another Whedon film and how he would approuch a character like Batman, and yes I know that there is a long and brilliant line of villians in Gotham but I would love to see something new that I think becasue Whedon is such a fanboy would gel really nicely with the others.
I loved Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. I am a huge fan Nolon and I think these batman movies are the best by far. I loved Memento and the Prestige. The man is brilliant there is no question.
We all know that the Whedon Batman will probably never happen but at least let us enjoy the fact that he even wants to do it. So to all those who are commenting on how Nolon is better and how geeky this all is, please just leave us to our geeky daydreams about a universe where all directors are free to make any movies they choose and not be ripped to shreds because of the decisions they make.
Posted on Saturday August 16, 2008, 08:32
No thanks. that way lies a return to schumuker teritory.if he was as good as everyone says then why did his tentpole movies,Buffy and Serenity both bomb?entertaining sure but not A list at all.....stick to tv.
Posted on Saturday August 16, 2008, 08:42
I will never understand peoples love for Whedon, he's ok at T.V. I quite enjoyed Buffy and Angel, but they were good for T.V. nothing else, Serenity was a mess, it bombed for a reason, it felt like a T.V. movie with a big budget, he should stick to what he does best, making T.V. shows that flop.
Posted on Saturday August 16, 2008, 10:52
Whedon is a hack and Buffy is a pile of unscary teen pap. Thank goodness he didn't get his hands on Batman. He's just about suitable to write a soap, which all sf TV seems to be turning into lately.
Posted on Saturday August 16, 2008, 10:55
It would be interesting to see what Paul Dini and the rest of the Animated Batman team could do with a live action cast and huge budget. Their Batman stories usually tell more in 20 minutes than all of the films put together.
Posted on Saturday August 16, 2008, 12:38
I`m not a Joss Whedon fan (I couldn`t watch a whole episode of Buffy and Firefly only got good near the end of its run) so I don`t think he`s a genius. Batfunk hit the nail on the proverbial head - I`ve been watching the Batman cartoons again and they knock every single Batmovie into a cocked hat, by a country mile! Two Face, Almost Got `im and Trial are practically perfect in every way, just like Mary Poppins so, yes please - Paul Dini, Bruce Timm and the original B:TAS crew do live action (Failing that, Brad Bird - The Incredibles is a wonderful homage that pays tribute to the superhero genre beautifully: BB would be the perfect choice).
Posted on Saturday August 16, 2008, 19:35
I don't know if anyone's said this already, but I think that Whedon would be better off having a crack at Spiderman...
Spidey's better suited to Joss' style of dialogue and humour etc.
Posted on Saturday August 16, 2008, 20:20
Nobody should do another Batman Movie but Christopher Nolan!!! He made one of the best comic book movies ever!!! If he dosent want to do another Batman movie then no more Batman movies. Dont mess with something that already good!!!
Posted on Sunday August 17, 2008, 00:10
why does everyone like joss wheden he is awfull!!!! dont do it cause it will be proper shit whatever he does, who is gonna play batman the twat from angel most likely!!!!!!!!!
Posted on Sunday August 17, 2008, 10:13
Whedon should focus on adapting his comic - Fray. dystopian future; vampires; flying cars; mutants - what more do you want? Random, but Mila Kunis has to play the title character.
Posted on Sunday August 17, 2008, 12:46
The new series was great and everything,but In my opinion it strayed away from the comic,not that theres anything wrong with that,just that I think that this Whedon guy would tickle my pickle more than Nolan(plus more violent like 18s,I'm sick of cameras turning away at the last second!)
Posted on Sunday August 17, 2008, 17:03
Let us not forget how great Firefly & Serenity were, too - far more impressive than they are given credit for. However, there is the cv-blighting presence of Alien Resurrection....
Can't have it all, eh?
Posted on Sunday August 17, 2008, 17:21
Whilst Nolan has done a fantastic job saving Batman from the campy hands of Schumacher he isn't the shiny golden God people make him out to be. Dark Knight was amazing but it didn't feel like the comics and Arkham (my favourite thing about Batman other than Harley Quinn) in Begins wasn't the creepy Victorian madhouse that makes it so interesting.
If anyone is to make a Batman film it should be done in a Sin City style with Guillermo Del Toro to give it a gothic fairy tale feel.
Whedon is good but not sure he could pull off Batman...
Hahahahaha "Pull off Batman"!
Posted on Sunday August 17, 2008, 17:37
On an equal opportunities level I think Whedon, and you could probably spin out a few decent essays on the genuine and well intentioned thematic substance of his material, like issues of feminism, sexuality, basic identity stuff, etc.. But dramatically I find his work incredibly annoying in a uniquely arch American way, probably best epitomised by the character of Xander. Have never got round to seeing the infamously cancelled Veronica Mars though, and everyone assures me it's the new Yahweh. Given that I don't like Buffy, Angel, Firefly/Serenity, I'm not exactly inclined to jump on board.
Posted on Sunday August 17, 2008, 21:57
The metamorphosis from Empire Online to Ain't It Cool News is nearly complete. Just start using the expression 'Batshit crazy' in every article and you've made it Mr Richards.....
Posted on Monday August 18, 2008, 10:37
Urrrrgh. Yuck. No thanks. I'll stick with loving Nolan's take on the character. The Dark Knight is ACE and Whedon's stuff always comes off looking a little naff and cheesey. Just read his take on Wolverine. "Grrr, I like beer, beer, beer". Talk about not getting a character and then just using him for cheep unfunny one-liners because of that fact. And, Empire bloke, there was nothing "scary" about anything to do with Buffy the Vampire Slayer other than the fact it lasted so long.
Posted on Monday August 18, 2008, 13:27
He wrote the best (and most flippant) line in Speed:
'I'm smarter than you, Jack! I'm smarter! I'm smarter!'
'Yeah? Well I'm TALLER!'
I will watch anything written by him.
Posted on Monday August 18, 2008, 16:11
Although I love Joss Whedon's work on Toy Story, Speed, Alien: Resurrection, Buffy, Angel and Serenity - I would much prefer to see him re-launch the X-Men franchise (or tackle Wolverine). I'm surprised that neither Marvel studios or Warner Bros. has made use of his excellent talents for a superhero property.
I'm hoping that Chris Nolan will tackle a 3rd Batman film (even though it will be difficult to top the Dark Knight).
Posted on Monday August 18, 2008, 17:19
A few people have already said this but i'm jumping on the bandwagon too,...Joss Whedon should do the Justice League movie! If DC are gonna rival Marvel over the next few years then they need to fuck George Miller right off, right away! Whedon could do wonders with the JLA,..if there's a petition or the like to get the ball rolling on this,...i'll feckin sign it!!!
Posted on Monday August 18, 2008, 17:30
Oh,...i nearly forgot, Whedon for Batman? Sorry but no!,....too late mate! Nolan's done Batman as good as it's ever gonna get done,...so let's just be happy with that shall we and not get greedy!!
Posted on Monday August 18, 2008, 18:21
Are you having a laugh?
Chrostopher Nolan is the one and only person whjo should be considered for a Batman film. And even though i love Nathan Fillion, Chriostian Bale is Batman. Fillion is not dark, or even tough enough to play the part.
And after the great job Nolan did in making The Dark Knight the greatest comic book movie EVER (Yes it is, Spiderman 2 comes a close second), and the way he has set up the possiblity of the Third film, with Batman now being seen as the enemy (sorry if that's a spoiler for anyone) I would see not getting Nolan back as sacrelige!
Although i do definatelty agree that a new Villian is needed. The Riddler, Catwoman and the Penguin just would not get me excited as none of them are as scary or interesting as what Heath Ledgers Joker was.
Posted on Tuesday August 19, 2008, 00:00
I'm one of them people who don't get joss whedon and is forced to live in a buffy-less hell.
You know what?
It ain't that bad.
Posted on Wednesday August 20, 2008, 16:27
Joss Whedon isn't a big deal. He's also very arrogant and in the past has made some inflammatory comments about both Bryan Singer and Christopher Nolan because they got to make films that he wanted to (X-Men, Batman) but as Serenity proved he isn't that talented a filmmaker.
Don't get me wrong, he's a decent writer but no better filmmaker than say David Goyer. Being a gigantic geek doesn't give you a free pass to make a Batman film (if so then a lot of us forum members would have churned one out by now). You should actually be a decent filmmaker in the first place and I don't think Whedon could cut it. His Wonder Woman script doesn't seem to have gone anywhere either so maybe he should stick to comics.
That said I quite like the ideas mentioned in the article, although I think they would suit comics better than film. Still maybe he'll get a crack in the future when Chris Nolan has finished breaking records. Hmm, think a Whedon film would have done that?
Posted on Thursday August 21, 2008, 12:04
The idea leaves me cold, and slightly irritated. I'm no Joss Whedon buff, so I can't comment on everything he has done, but for what it's worth I find Buffy and Serenity/Firefly both inexplicably popular and pretty callow. I can't see anything appealing about the idea of him making a Batman film at all.
Posted on Thursday August 21, 2008, 18:52
Whedon is overated.Dont let hi anywhere near Batman WB!
Posted on Thursday August 21, 2008, 23:18
The only term I can think of for Joss Whedon is Shite!!! And that's giving shite a bad name.
Joel Schumacher may have been responsible for bringing the franchise to it's knees but not only he but I think the contents of his bowel could do a better job at a Batman film than Whedon ever could.
Thank God Nolan got the gig. And for the record; Nathan Fillion isn't fit to lick the guano off Batman's boots let alone play the big guy.
Posted on Sunday August 24, 2008, 13:48
Joss Whedon doing Batman? No thanks. Buffy the Vampire Slayer should have stayed as the cheesey, somewhat fun to watch movie. I'd rather Someone like David Chronenberg or Del Toro took the helm instead.
Posted on Wednesday August 27, 2008, 12:09
I don't know if anyone's mentioned him, but Bane could be a great choice for Batman's next nemesis. He's certainly more plausable a character than your Penguins/Killer Crocs etc so he'd fit into Nolan's world. Plus we need to banish forever that shocking pantomime version in Batman and Robin. I'm thinking The Rock could possibly do a job, just off the top of my head, as let's face it, most people (myself included) were sceptical at first at Heath's casting...
Posted on Thursday August 28, 2008, 13:05
Who wrote this feature? Oh Olly Richards;
Are You Insane? You're seriously comparing Joss Whedon to Christopher Nolan one of the most consistently capable directors of our time.
Whedon does have some good ideas but this Batman one sounds boring and backward compared to Nolans vision. Whedons characters talk too much and he confuses over exposition for witty repartee. He screwed the Alien 4 script up completely with this style of writing. Just look at the dialogue in the alien birth scene as a prime example - bollocks - tell me I'm wrong.
Serenity was a pretty good film though, but his sensibilities as a writer/director are way too teen-TV for something like Batman.
Come to think of it Joss Whedon writes sci-fi for girls, thats just kind of wrong.
Christopher Nolan has quite a technical but involving knack for deconstructing stories, which is what the Batman franchise needed in order to emulate what Miller and Moore had done in the comics. I rate Joel Schumacher as a director but Batman and Robin was a disaster and Batman Forever was just a reaction to what Tim Burton had done. I've got a feeling that Joss Whedon would have continued that trend.
Buffy had it moments but it wasn't that good.
Posted on Thursday August 28, 2008, 13:21
Just thinking about this thing makes me laugh. Joss Whedon?
ARE YOU MENTAL?
You might as well say Paul Anderson.
Posted on Saturday August 30, 2008, 23:49
Posted on Wednesday September 3, 2008, 16:08
even thought not having seen the film yet from what i have heard it is a fantastic film.
Posted on Friday September 5, 2008, 06:35
I agree with malrey06.
More to the point. A Whedon Batman would have been off the chain. But lets be thankful for what we got. Nolan killed it. Don't get me wrong, I've been a Buffy and Angel fan since before I hit puberty and Firefly changed the I look at Sci-Fi. But, with the exception of Bales growling Bat Voice, Begins and the Dark Knight are near perfect superhero cinema.
Bring on Whedon's Dollhouse.
Posted on Tuesday September 16, 2008, 10:50
Apparently Whedons Dollhouse is in a bit of bother.
From what I read, the pilot had to be completely rewritten, the networks are having difficulty understanding it, and now its on an enforced "writers break".
Maybe Whedon is a bit to quirky for his own good, and Dollhouse may end up the way of Firefly.
So I retract my former comment, don't do Bats, Joss. Angel was the nearest you should try and get to it.
Posted on Friday October 31, 2008, 19:54
Another film in the Batman series, the second one starring Christian Bale as Batman. He is great in this role, convincing as the sleazy millionaire Bruce Wayne and almost frightening as the Dark Knight.
The actors are great. The late Heath Ledger gives a daunting performance as the evil Joker (played by Jack Nicholson in the 1989 Batman), and Michael Caine and Gary Oldman are just as entertaining as in Batman Begins.
You should definitely watch Batman Begins again before taking in this one. I was a bit lost at the beginning as to what was going on because I couldn’t remember much from the prequel.