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Gary Ross to direct Spidey spin-off

08 October 2009  |  Written by Owen Williams  |  Source: Variety

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Those pesky hardcore Spider-Man fans lobbied and cajoled for evil-spidey Venom to appear in Spider-Man 3. And when he did, everyone complained he was there. Chuh, you can't please anyone nowadays. 

The main issue, of course, was a too-many-villains problem that meant the alien symbiote felt crowbarred into a plot that didn't need him; a problem that producer Avi Arad and writer/director Gary Ross hope will be rectified when Venom gets his own film.

Ross, who is currently re-writing Jamie Vanderbilt and David Lindsay-Abaire's Spider-Man 4 script, will get to work shortly. The project stays with Spider-studio Columbia, who retain the rights to the Spider-universe despite Disney's Marvel takeover, as long as the films keep coming.

Apologies to all those sick to death of this word, but here it is again: reboot. It sounds as if this new film won't necessarily follow the continuity set up in Spidey 3, and it seems unlikely that Topher Grace (who signed up for Predators yesterday) will be back in the black costume. What we're apparently looking at is a repositioning of the character as "an antihero who becomes a defender of the innocent." Quite how a parasitic alien organism that drives its hosts mental can be made a defender of the innocent remains to be seen. But then he seems positively tame when compared to the other evil-Spidey Carnage, so maybe it'll be a lesser-of-two-evils deal. Some people handle the symbiote better than others...

What do we think? Can Venom hold his own in a Spidey-free movie? And do we want him as a good guy?

 


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RE: This is a bad idea
L: Marwood In 3, the symbiote bonded with Eddie Brock Jnr. How about having any remains of it bond with Eddie Brock Snr who more closely resembles (physically and character wise) the original Eddie Brock from the comics? Venom's motivation was revenge against Spider-Man/Peter in the comics and having the father out to avenge the son is a nice twist and good way to incorporate the revenge angle much better than "he got me fired and stole my girl!" from Topher Grace. Christ, how hard is More

Posted by smass101 at 13:35 on 13 October 2009 | Report This Post

Just stop it...
Spidey vs Venom is a good idea badly executed. That goes without saying. Venom on his own is just a flat-out bad idea. It's like the Hulk without the heart, and the Hulk films were pretty bad, so this will be even worse. More

Posted by lukeynemo at 16:03 on 11 October 2009 | Report This Post

Oh Dear God
This is the geekiest message board I've ever seen in my life. Dear god. You should all be ashamed. Anyway, I love spider-man. When I say the movie was coming out, I got excited just like you. Loved the movie. Spiderman 2 - loved it even more. Spiderman 3 was excruciatingly bad, and to this day I still want those three hours of my life back. Can't we just forget that it ever happened? As far as a Venom movie is concerned, the words 'horse'. 'flogging', 'dead' and 'a' come to mind. Rearrange th More

Posted by pilchbts at 22:10 on 10 October 2009 | Report This Post

RE: More Venom For Marvel
I'd definitely like a standalone Venom flick. Not with Topher Grace in the lead obviously, I like him as an actor, funny on That 70s Show, good in Traffic and in Good Company. But of course he was horribly miscast for Spidey 3 (with a poorly written character added). More

Posted by Kazuya at 15:14 on 09 October 2009 | Report This Post

Spidey 3 reboot
Just admit failure and remake Spiderman 3. There was more wrong with it than just the inclusion of Venom. In my opinion they should have just used the Goblin jnr/Sandman set up and kept the brock storyline brewing and building with tension. Then the ending of the film should have been the creation of Venom, as a cliffhanger to the 4th film all of his own. Other things wrong with Spidey 3: 1. The effects. It felt, and looked like, I was watching a computer game at times. Case in point; More

Posted by mrfield at 13:32 on 09 October 2009 | Report This Post

RE: RE:
As per usual I have a suggestion for how to do this. My level of ignorance of the source material will shine through, but it's all about telling a story, and the source material is always there for people to then go to if the film appeals(and still there for the people who want 18 rated stuff from this kind of film and are never gonna get it due to the cost of such movies). Firstly, TDK demonstrated just how dark a 12 rated film can be made to feel, suggesting much darker things than ever More

Posted by jobloffski at 13:05 on 09 October 2009 | Report This Post

RE:
Yup sowasred2012 is bang on the money. Eddie Brock's Venom was not the out an out psycho like so many people seem to think he was. However he did despise Peter Parker and Spiderman and this often made him forget himself, sometimes using innocents to get Spidey's attention. However he frequently found himself fighting alongside heroic characters for the side of good - see Tooth and Claw when he grudgingly worked with Wolverine or the obvious example of Maximum Carnage. The whole L More

Posted by Jayseph at 12:07 on 09 October 2009 | Report This Post

Venom in his own movie? Ouwch, I feel sorry for the scriptwrites. Well, a million monkeys could write Shakespeare, so, we'll see... More

Posted by Bluehawk at 23:35 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

Ill wait for the dvd
spider man 3 has ruined the idea for me so i wont be watching it at the flicks. More

Posted by Bates at 21:32 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

RE: MUA2/Civil War
@shinysavage Oh I thought about it, don't you worry - the guy was vaporised, you watch it and you'll definitely see that nobody swung out of it (pretty sure there's even a Doc Manhattan style flash of skeleton in there). I'm also aware of the inconsistency in Harry walking away from a similar attack with only a few facial scars (that healed pretty darn quickly), and it does nothing except make me angrier about the way Venom was treated in that movie. Venom, at least while Eddie Brock More

Posted by sowasred2012 at 21:20 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

Oh God
Such a heinously bad idea. It's like making the Joker the anti hero in his own film- he wouldn't work without Batman. Same applies here- Venom is Spidey's ultimate evil nemesis he cannot be made into an anti hero- he's supposed to be fucking evil and destroy Pete's life! Oh, morons. One day I'll be making the 'tough' decisions these execs face.. More

Posted by BOOOM at 19:44 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

For umptenth time...
Venom fans may have wanted Venom in Spiderman but not as an after thought in what was effectivley a mish-mash of the Sandman and Green Goblin arcs. Personally I'd much rather they just shelve Venom (and the Spiderman franchise) for a while and then come back work through the Venom story arc properly under the vision of someone else other than Rami (Fincher ideally for me if it's the Venom arc) who's taken it as far as he can. More

Posted by bronco3114 at 17:04 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

NOoooo!!!
Good Venom - are you F&$£"ing sure!!! That has got to be the worst idea since Madonna tried to act in Shanghai Express! More

Posted by leafie at 14:50 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

RE: MUA2/Civil War
L: sowasred2012 Could work. Probably won't. If they're rebooting the character (to make up for the fact that they let Sam Raimi fucking VAPORIZE him, the only villain so far who he's made it impossible to come back for), then the whole origin could get a little confusing since Spidey is such an intrinsic part of it (Venom has Spidey's powers, and his whole design is 'spider' themed) and I doubt Sony/Avi Arad/whoever wants to tarnish the main Spidey series with any of this kind of confu More

Posted by shinysavage at 12:12 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

RE: This is a bad idea
L: dead_cell79 not a bad idea at all Mr Marwood, Spiderman 3 should have been nothing but Spiderman and Venom battling it out . n was a Waste Man and a Waste of Space. it was like watching  Mummy returns ote]   ely disagree with this view. Sam didn't want Venom anywhere near number 3, Venom was forced by Avi Arad and the studio chiefs onto Raimi purely to make $$$$$$$.t="trebuchet ms"] andled watching his prefered vision (Goblin conclusion + Sandman) get diluted, ex More

Posted by JIm R at 12:10 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

RE: This is a bad idea
not a bad idea at all Mr Marwood, Spiderman 3 should have been nothing but Spiderman and Venom battling it out . Sand Man was a Waste Man and a Waste of Space. it was like watching  Mummy returns More

Posted by DeadCell79 at 11:48 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

Venom: Lethal Protector
to be honest we all agree venom should have been the only Bad guy for spiderman in part 3 or at least it should have been in part 4 as his one of spidermans most toughest enemies ever, him and Lizard man would have been good Bad guy dynamics.. but since that ship has past and wont return we are left kinda annoyed at the venom spinoff with Venom as the Anti-Hero. but since there is a venom comic series as him as the Anti-Hero (Venom: Lethal Protector) as "WesB" pointed out in a earl More

Posted by DeadCell79 at 11:40 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

This is a bad idea
I've always liked Venom in the comics even though at times it seems that no-one knows what the hell to do with him. Him being an antihero was tried in the comics for a while and it sucked. It really, really sucked. He's always best serving as a villain (for Spider-Man or anyone the government throws him at in more recent years). I'm all for him making another (better appearance) in future Spidey films but giving him a spin-off like this is going to be crap, pure crap. If Sony and Marvel are tr More

Posted by Marwood at 11:29 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

RE: MUA2/Civil War
L: JIm R y way this will work will be Venom v Carnage and for the studio to be brave and go the way of Watchmen and stuff 'audience expectation' or look at it through $ tinted specs and say, fuck it, let's make an 18 rated version and be able to do justice to the darker edges of these characters rather than be worried about 'test audiences, pandering to society, expanding the franchise' etc. simply make a one off film that lets fly.ote] This. On the hand...I have no idea how More

Posted by Scott_ at 11:24 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

RE: MUA2/Civil War
y way this will work will be Venom v Carnage and for the studio to be brave and go the way of Watchmen and stuff 'audience expectation' or look at it through $ tinted specs and say, fuck it, let's make an 18 rated version and be able to do justice to the darker edges of these characters rather than be worried about 'test audiences, pandering to society, expanding the franchise' etc. simply make a one off film that lets fly.t="trebuchet ms"] dio fucked Raimi over, they want to present Venom as More

Posted by JIm R at 10:51 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

RE: MUA2/Civil War
Could work. Probably won't. If they're rebooting the character (to make up for the fact that they let Sam Raimi fucking VAPORIZE him, the only villain so far who he's made it impossible to come back for), then the whole origin could get a little confusing since Spidey is such an intrinsic part of it (Venom has Spidey's powers, and his whole design is 'spider' themed) and I doubt Sony/Avi Arad/whoever wants to tarnish the main Spidey series with any of this kind of confusion. So then if th More

Posted by sowasred2012 at 10:41 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

MUA2/Civil War
In the recent Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 game and the comic run Civil War, Venom became a member of the Thunderbolts, a team of unlikely anti-heroes led by none other than Norman Osborn AKA The Green Goblin. They were employed by Iron Man to round up all costumed heroes that wouldn't sign up to the Super Human Registration Act. However, when Civil War lead to Secret Invasion (when the Skrulls invaded Earth) The Thunderbolts assisted in fending off the invasion and helping save the Earth. Now Ven More

Posted by Maca007 at 10:24 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

RE: Trying to not be too sweeping in my reaction
When are people going to learn that #0000ff]spin-offs don't work? I literally can't think of a single successful spin-off from a successful franchise. Oh except Of Courage: The Ewok Adventurewas frickin' awesome. Neechawawa! More

Posted by David Somerset at 10:06 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

Get it right..
Any of the whinging fanboys remember "Venom: Lethal Protector"? No? Learn first, then moan.. More

Posted by WesB at 10:02 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

RE: Trying to not be too sweeping in my reaction
Actually, in the comics Venom had a split personality - he defended the innocents because the symbiote picked up that quality from Peter Parker. Only Venom has such a hatred of Spiderman that it makes him forget that sometimes (as he tries to kill Spiderman he sometimes puts innocent lives at risk). So there was this weird tension in the character. It was Carnage who was the out and out psycho... More

Posted by oacbbaw at 10:02 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

Trying to not be too sweeping in my reaction
I'm no purest who insists that characters have to stay utterly true to their original incarnation (just imagine if blade has made it to film as a 70's horror blacksplotation, as is it's original form), but the idea of Venom, who has consistently been one of Spidey's most evil and villainous of enemies is to be retconned in to a 'defender of the innocent' as though he's the big blue boy scout, just doesn't taste right to me. I mean, I understand it's partly to do with who wears the symbiote an' More

Posted by fuzzcaminski at 09:13 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

Elektra take two?
Hopes aren't high, all sounds like a half-hearted attempt to milk some more money out of the Spidey franchise to me. The appointment of a ho-hum studio compatible director only worsens the prospect. More

Posted by Blyman at 08:49 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

He could be ok without spidey, but I think he should still be the villain, unless as you say, it's a lesser of two evils deal. More

Posted by crazymoviesdude at 08:18 on 08 October 2009 | Report This Post

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