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charlie brooker saves the UK film industry-
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Posted by spark1 at 11:50 on 16 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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The Fucking Twonk probably thinks films like Brideshead Revisited are Socialy aware films where he grew up.
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Posted by Wild about Wilder at 11:32 on 16 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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| RE: Remember Sex Lives of the Potato Men |
ou really want public money to fund a film like The Room or Birdemic?id you read the article at all? Did you read Ken Loach's comments?
Of course nobody "Wants" movies like The Room or Birdemic to waste public money but if they had been massive money-earners would there have been a problem.
The fact is that a fantastic script can be turned into absolute crap or vice visa and there's few indicators about what will actually be successful (bar making sequels which is lazy and creatively bacnkr More
Posted by Evil_Bob at 09:58 on 16 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Great to see political impartility on this page. Firstly the report was written by a former Labour Culture Secreatary, Lord Smith and it was a cross party report. Lord Smith was the chair for the report. Secondly not all films funded by the Film Council were critical or artistic successs. Sex Lives of the Potato Men got £1 Millions of public money, a awful comedy film that starred Johnny Vegas and made by a director who never anything of worth. Would you really want public money to fund a f More
Posted by freemantle_uk at 21:17 on 13 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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It only made half of its budget, which means it still remained in red. Don't know about BR/DVD though.
Still point being, Cameron is a moron and so is everyone agreeing with him.
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Posted by Deviation at 12:31 on 13 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Which disappeared quite fast at the BO alongside with Centurion, and you'd think people would love a bloody period epic, and this coming from someone who though Centurion was fun.
enturion only flopped in the States, internationally it mode more than half its budget. If they had given it a proper US release it would've made a profit. Those figures don't include the dvd/bd sales. More
Posted by Spaldron at 11:43 on 13 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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from the 30s/80s UK film had sound commercial instincts about its domestic output.
even ken russell expected his films to have mainstream appeal.
then it all went to hell in mid 80s- thatcher ditching the eady levy and the city not wanting to invest in film production didn't help.
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Posted by spark1 at 11:36 on 13 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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I'm all for a wide of variety of films being made and equally promoted/distributed.
BUT these films should always be films that people ] to see.
In my opinion British films have kinda pigeon-holed themselves, they are either films about the upper middle class (rom-coms, period dramas, royalty/politics) or the lower class (gangsters, kitchen sink). There are of course exceptions but if you can count them on your hand they're not the rule.
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Posted by Deviation at 00:42 on 13 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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What a complete and utter twat! And as for people on here agreeing, what the f**k are you people thinking? The best british films are the independant ones, FACT! Trainspotting was independant as was Shallow Grave, Another Year, Kes, Withnail and I, The Long Good Friday, the excellent Kill List and the list goes on. Most of the best British films that have been made are independant ones! We don't want to be another boring Holloywood! More
Posted by dannyfletch at 22:05 on 12 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Look let us get one thing right once and for all: this guy is not the elected prime minister. No one achieved this honour at the last general election and the guy who currently lives at no 10 Downing St. does so at the whim of one Nick Glegg. However,the moment Glegg -or more likely his party- finally have enough of todying up to the Tories just for the novelty of enjoying some power -then of course Cameron's number is up! Right now though he -and his cabinet have a mandate to do nothing at all More
Posted by Musicals at 19:31 on 12 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Posted by Cyberleader at 19:02 on 12 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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I'm all for a wide of variety of films being made and equally promoted/distributed.
BUT these films should always be films that people ] to see.
In my opinion British films have kinda pigeon-holed themselves, they are either films about the upper middle class (rom-coms, period dramas, royalty/politics) or the lower class (gangsters, kitchen sink). There are of course exceptions but if you can count them on your hand they're not the rule. More
Posted by Tech_Noir at 18:52 on 12 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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I'd LOVE a Dr Who movie! More
Posted by Cyberleader at 18:21 on 12 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Uh, sorry for the zillions of replies Spaldron. Website said it couldn't send my messages...so I tried again. Result? Well...the mess thou doth see before you I'm afraid. Oops. More
Posted by Cyberleader at 18:19 on 12 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Meh. I like your profile picture. 'The Prisoner' is amazing. A true British stroke of genius and EXACTLY what I'm trying to say we should make...stuff that's cerebral AND full of action and thrills. Not snooty, depressive so-called 'art'.
I'm not 'wrong': I'm not a number I'm a free man and so I'm entitled to my view. As, I'm sure, you are to yours. More
Posted by Cyberleader at 18:13 on 12 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Meh. I like your profile pic though. The Prisoner is ace. THERE'S a good Brit production!
By the way I'm not wrong. I'm not a number I'm a free man...and welcome to my own opinion. As you are to yours. More
Posted by Cyberleader at 18:10 on 12 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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I agree! I hate arty-farty up themselves films that the UK seems as doomed as france to keep creating. Give me some American style explosions, 'Avengers' size franchises and 'Expendables' style action. Call me shallow- fine- but I'd be prouder of our industry if it was more geered towards 'fun' rather than 'ooh look we're deppresive= deep= genius'. DR Who is a smart, funny yet action packed show for family audiences on BBC tv...why can't we do the same on film? Why are there ALWAYS striking mine More
Posted by Cyberleader at 18:06 on 12 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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I agree! I hate arty-farty up themselves films that the UK seems as doomed as france to keep creating. Give me some American style explosions, 'Avengers' size franchises and 'Expendables' style action. Call me shallow- fine- but I'd be prouder of our industry if it was more geered towards 'fun' rather than 'ooh look we're deppresive= deep= genius'. DR Who is a smart, funny yet action packed show for family audiences on BBC tv...why can't we do the same on film? Why are t More
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Posted by Emyr Thy King at 14:03 on 12 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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I agree! I hate arty-farty up themselves films that the UK seems as doomed as france to keep creating. Give me some American style explosions, 'Avengers' size franchises and 'Expendables' style action. Call me shallow- fine- but I'd be prouder of our industry if it was more geered towards 'fun' rather than 'ooh look we're deppresive= deep= genius'. DR Who is a smart, funny yet action packed show for family audiences on BBC tv...why can't we do the same on film? Why are ther More
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I agree! I hate arty-farty up themselves films that the UK seems as doomed as france to keep creating. Give me some American style explosions, 'Avengers' size franchises and 'Expendables' style action.e shallow- fine'd be prouder of our industry if it was more geered towards 'fun' rather than 'ooh look we're deppresive= deep= genius'. DR Who is a smart, funny yet action packed show for family audiences on BBC tv...why can't we do the same on film? Why are there ALWAYS st More
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I agree! I hate arty-farty up themselves films that the UK seems as doomed as france to keep creating. Give me some American style explosions, 'Avengers' size franchises and 'Expendables' style action. Call me shallow- fine- but I'd be prouder of our industry if it was more geered towards 'fun' rather than 'ooh look we're deppresive= deep= genius'. DR Who is a smart, funny yet action packed show for family audiences on BBC tv...why can't we do the same on film? Why are there ALWAYS striking mine More
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I agree! I hate arty-farty up themselves films that the UK seems as doomed as france to keep creating. Give me some American style explosions, 'Avengers' size franchises and 'Expendables' style action. Call me shallow- fine- but I'd be prouder of our industry if it was more geered towards 'fun' rather than 'ooh look we're deppresive= deep= genius'. DR Who is a smart, funny yet action packed show for family audiences on BBC tv...why can't we do the same on film? Why are there ALWAYS striking mine More
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I agree! I hate arty-farty up themselves films that the UK seems as doomed as france to keep creating. Give me some American style explosions, 'Avengers' size franchises and 'Expendables' style action. Call me shallow- fine- but I'd be prouder of our industry if it was more geered towards 'fun' rather than 'ooh look we're deppresive= deep= genius'. DR Who is a smart, funny yet action packed show for family audiences on BBC tv...why can't we do the same on film? Why are there ALWAYS striking mine More
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| RE: PM Demands More Mainstream Filmmaking |
I had a couple of thoughts on this and well, firstly I thought "I wonder how many Tory MP's children are setting up film production companies as we speak", be a nice way of diverting more public money into the bank accounts of his mates.
Secondly, do mainstream films need funding? I'm pretty sure that (what I often find teeth knashingly twee, boring, sentimental if well acted old bollocks) fare like the Kings Speech and The Iron Lady need no funding from the arts council, lottery More
Posted by Discodez at 13:34 on 12 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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| Forget Movie's let's overhaul our Tele first! |
The film industry (as far as artistic talent and content) is in perfectly good condition!
Now to change the subject slightly why don't we think about how bad OUR television stations that WE pay for are doing in comparison? Well I'll sum it up in two programmes, no make it three - Eastenders, Holby City & Casualty (you can't have too many hosptital drama's set in Bristol) this is the sewage that "should be aimimg higher" not the brilliant film industry that provides outstanding st More
Posted by thefacehead at 10:22 on 12 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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| Makes me want to stab somebody in the neck |
I'm fed up of this man saying things he knows next to nothing about! It's kind of pathetic to say things like 'aim higher' to filmmakers, who with their skill, can make a bigger impression on somebody than a politician can. The worst thing is applying the same Tory tar to the film industry, putting money into 'mainstream' films - and praising a film like The Kings Speech, which was funded by the UK FILM COUNCIL which was cut thanks to him too. I don't even know what he means by 'mainstream films More
Posted by FoxDhoj at 23:58 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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I'm fed up of this man saying things he knows next to nothing about! It's kind of pathetic to say things like 'aim higher' to filmmakers, who with their skill, can make a bigger impression on somebody than a politician can. The worst thing is applying the same Tory tar to the film industry, putting money into 'mainstream' films - and praising a film like The Kings Speech, which was funded by the UK FILM COUNCIL which was cut thanks to him too. I don't even know what he means by 'mainstream films More
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| Makes me want to stab somebody in the neck |
I'm fed up of this man saying things he knows next to nothing about! It's kind of pathetic to say things like 'aim higher' to filmmakers, who with their skill, can make a bigger impression on somebody than a politician can. The worst thing is applying the same Tory tar to the film industry, putting money into 'mainstream' films - and praising a film like The Kings Speech, which was funded by the UK FILM COUNCIL which was cut thanks to him too. I don't even know what he means by 'mainstream films More
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It's not like Cameron's saying all British films HAVE to be crap from now on. I can understand why he would want our film industry to put more money into the economy, I can understand why anyone would want that. British films are traditionally of a high quality, so surely if more mainstream British films were made there would be a good chance of the majority of them being of a high standard anyway. That's how the British film industry already works, favouring quality over a quick buck. Sure, he More
Posted by Oli G at 19:34 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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It's not like Cameron's saying all British films HAVE to be crap from now on. I can understand why he would want our film industry to put more money into the economy, I can understand why anyone would want that. British films are traditionally of a high quality, so surely if more mainstream British films were made there would be a good chance of the majority of them being of a high standard anyway. That's how the British film industry already works, favouring quality over a quick buck. Sure, he More
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It's not like Cameron's saying all British films HAVE to be crap from now on. I can understand why he would want our film industry to put more money into the economy, I can understand why anyone would want that. British films are traditionally of a high quality, so surely if more mainstream British films were made there would be a good chance of the majority of them being of a high standard anyway. That's how the British film industry already works, favouring quality over a quick buck. Sure, he More
Posted by Oli G at 19:32 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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| And with the support of scrrenwriter Julian Fellows.... |
.......who backed up Dave to the hilt (might help that as Tory member of the House of Lords, Dave is more or less his boss). Loach is spot on about being able to pick a winner in advance. And if Fellows is so good at that, why was he writing speeches for Ian Duncan Smith no so very long ago? More
Posted by Knight of Fury at 19:30 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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.......who backed up Dave to the hilt (might help that as Tory member of the House of Lords, Dave is more or less his boss). Loach is spot on about being able to pick a winner in advance. And if Fellows is so good at that, why was he writing speeches for Ian Duncan Smith no so very long ago? More
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It's not like Cameron's saying all British films HAVE to be crap from now on. I can understand why he would want our film industry to put more money into the economy, I can understand why anyone would want that. British films are traditionally of a high quality, so surely if more mainstream British films were made there would be a good chance of the majority of them being of a high standard anyway. That's how the British film industry already works, favouring quality over a quick buck. Sure, he More
Posted by Oli G at 19:29 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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It's not like Cameron's saying all British films HAVE to be crap from now on. I can understand why he would want our film industry to put more money into the economy, I can understand why anyone would want that. British films are traditionally of a high quality, so surely if more mainstream British films were made there would be a good chance of the majority of them being of a high standard anyway. That's how the British film industry already works, favouring quality over a quick buck. Sure, he More
Posted by Oli G at 19:28 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Bit rich after axing the UK Film Council. Didn't anyone organise a big round of "Fuck Off" for him. More
Posted by steveg66 at 18:44 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Maybe this utter twat shouldn't have axed the UKFilmCouncil then. More
Posted by clarkkent at 17:39 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Yes Braveheart is based In Britain but is was funded by Hollywood and starring a guy who obviously doen't like the English very much. It's a great film, but it's terrible history and ridiculously biased, the English are little more than pantomime villains in it, or did I miss something?
ut this is about Britain, not just England. More
Posted by Spaldron at 16:42 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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| Ah! Ken Loach |
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Posted by schnerkle at 16:34 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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More films like Slumdog Millionare, Another Year and 28 Days Later then? More
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"Demand" and "Mainstream" were interesting choices of words to put in the title given that they don't feature in the article at all. More
Posted by enemysprout at 14:58 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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C**t. Film Industry needs support from him. Not him flapping the lip about the sort of films that it should be making. St Trinians 3 maybe, Dave? More
Posted by Norman Stansfield at 14:44 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Bit rich after abolishing the UK Film Council. If I was in the industry I'd like to organise a collective f$#k off and MYOB. More
Posted by steveg66 at 14:41 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Bit rich after abolishing the UK Film Council. If I was in the industry I'd like to organise a collective f$#k off and MYOB. More
Posted by steveg66 at 14:39 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Bit rich after abolishing the UK Film Council. If I was in the industry I'd like to organise a collective fu#k off and MYOB. More
Posted by steveg66 at 14:39 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Bit rich after abolishing the UK Film Council. If I was in the industry I'd like to organise a collective fu#k off and MYOB. More
Posted by steveg66 at 14:39 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Yes Braveheart is based In Britain but is was funded by Hollywood and starring a guy who obviously doen't like the English very much. It's a great film, but it's terrible history and ridiculously biased, the English are little more than pantomime villains in it, or did I miss something? More
Posted by twiddle at 13:48 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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| He has a point |
I'm not political, but I think he has a point. Britain is very good at costume drama, posh rom-com and gritty drama, and that's about it. It's as predictable as Hollywood making no brain action fests.
A friend complained how anytime Brits are depicted in Hollywood war films they are always inferior to the Americans, well we can't expect the Americans to make us the heroes in their films. Surely we could make a film as good as Brave Heart or Private Ryan only telling things from our point of v More
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Surely we could make a film as good asHeart ate Ryanelling things from our point of view?raveheart told from our point of view, that is, its a film set on the British Isles or did I miss something? More
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L: twiddle
I'm not political, but I think he has a point. Britain is very good at costume drama, posh romcom and gritty drama, and that's about it. It's as predictable as Hollywood making no brain action fests.
A friend complanied how anytime Brits are depicted in Hollywood warfilms they are always inferior to the Americans, well we can't expect the Americans to make us the heroes in their films. Surely we could make a film as good as Brave Heart or Private Ryan only telling thing More
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| Sorry, but he has a point |
I'm not political, but I think he has a point. Britain is very good at costume drama, posh romcom and gritty drama, and that's about it. It's as predictable as Hollywood making no brain action fests.
A friend complanied how anytime Brits are depicted in Hollywood warfilms they are always inferior to the Americans, well we can't expect the Americans to make us the heroes in their films. Surely we could make a film as good as Brave Heart or Private Ryan only telling things from our point of vie More
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I'm not political, but I think he has a point. Britain is very good at costume drama, posh romcom and gritty drama, and that's about it. It's as predictable as Hollywood making no brain action fests.
A friend complanied how anytime Brits are depicted in Hollywood warfilms they are always inferior to the Americans, well we can't expect the Americans to make us the heroes in their films. Surely we could make a film as good as Brave Heart or Private Ryan only telling things from our point of vie More
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Who the fuck does posh boy Cameron think he is dictating to a film industry his government have already cut funding to? He would probably love it if all we got were more films about Thatcher and the Queen.
Cunt.
uy a packet of crusty white rolls and throw it at the system, Spaldron. ut yeah, I see were you're coming from.
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Posted by MonsterCat at 12:19 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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The death of the Film Council exposed just how WRONGLY the money put into British films is being distributed. Mr. Cameron, you need to look at your OWN contribution first. Get the money into the right hands and give UK filmmakers some bl**dy tax breaks! That way, they can actually make the films they WANT to make and not just the ones they can AFFORD to make. Not that UK filmmakers are innocent: commercial success means GENRE. Ken Loach is great, but he's happy on the fringes. In this respect th More
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Who the fuck does posh boy Cameron think he is dictating to a film industry his government have already cut funding to? He would probably love it if all we got were more films about Thatcher and the Queen.
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Posted by Spaldron at 11:54 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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I agree with everything Ken Loach is saying...David Cameron & his government should not have got rid of the UK Film Council...& it's nice that pretty much every film that comes from the UK & filmed in the UK & made in the UK rivals Hollywood with it's trashy "mainstream" films that does not rival anything we make over here. honestly I prefer films with integrity & that entails everything made over here...with the tiniest percentage coming from Hollywood...we can do More
Posted by megank13 at 11:44 on 11 January 2012 | Report This Post |
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Just when you thought you couldn't hate this man any more he opens his ill informed mouth about the UK film industry. Movies should NOT be made just for the purpose of making millions,if they do so however fair play but that should not be the sole incentive. In fact, this is whats wrong with Hollywood right now, it's all about the opening weekend and little else, this is why movies are in such a dire state. Movies should be made because directors/screenwrites/producers have a wonderful story to More
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..despite one of his usual 'oooh look how socialist I am' rants..completely correct
If films are only being made with to be 'mainstream' a good 80% of the films we've made that HAVE become commercially successful and to an extent mainstream (Kings Speech, This is England, Trainspotting etc) simply wouldn't have got made
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Brian Epstein once sat in on a Beatles recording session and had the temerity to make suggestions. John Lennon said something along the lines of, "You count the money and let us make the music" - which is what someone needs to tell Cameron. Twat.
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Brian Epstein once sat in on a Beatles recording session and had the temerity to make suggestions. John Lennon said something along the lines of, "You count the money and let us make the music" - which is what someone needs to tell Cameron. Twat.
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| Absolute rubbish! |
What an idiot Cameron is. Yes directors should "aim higher" but that is aim at higher ARTISTIC achievements not just box office numbers. My God, if he had his way we'd be in a world where a fantastic film like Hunger would never be made and we'd be even more swamped with moronic multiplex fodder than we already are. It's not just a business, its an art form too! One that should challenge and be thought provoking as well as be entertaining. If film makers only focus on the money well th More
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