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RE: Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 - 2/1/2006 5:54:03 PM   
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 Not so sure about the long tongued one in film even though I do rate him as a great comic character (I also cannot understand the Carnage hate. What's so bad about a guy whose motive is just kill everything?)
 
Both Sandman and Venom's powers will be too far a jump in logic if you look at it. Goblin was basically on steroids and wearing armour whereas Ock just had four metal jackhammer etched on his body. Compare this with a guy whose molecular structure can break down into a sand-like substance and another who has had his anatomy and psyche entertwined with an alien parasite and that's a whole new realm of science.

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RE: Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 - 3/1/2006 10:07:36 AM   
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 It's refreshing at last to see Raimi moving away from the whole "Scientist's experiment goes wrong and becomes evil" thing at last. Whilst I loved Spider-Man 2 and Molina's performance I felt the script did a really bad job of portraying the character of Doc. Ock. For one Doc. Ock in the comics as always seen human life as an acceptable loss of for his "creative genius". So if any of the seen villians was capable of redemption it would have been Green Goblin (although I have to agree he needed to die so we can have GG2!). Plus being the more intelligent of the two, Doc. Ock rarely gets his hands dirty finding Spidey fist to fist, usually as a last resort. The Green Goblin has always been one to take on Spidey in a fight but all through Spidey2 I was waiting for Doc. Ock to recruit henchman so that we had Spidey getting to some fights with mutliple adversaries and working his way to the head man.
The Sandman idea sounds good as with so many of Spidey's villians occur through "Scientists's experiment goes wrong and becomes evil" that you really need to break them and spread them out a bit if you don't want it to look like you're repeating yourself.
As for Venom, I'm all up for introducing Eddie Brock but Venom needs to have at least one film to himself. I'm guessing that rather than the Secret Wars thing they'll probably use the story from the Ultimate Spider-Man comics about his birth. Although at one point there was talk about J.J.J.'s boy becoming Venom instead. He's an astronaunt after all, so there could be something that happens out there that gives him the symbiote. Plus the fact that he's bound to be really pissed at Parker for stealing his girl at the altar...

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RE: Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 - 3/1/2006 8:29:13 PM   
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As for Venom, I'm all up for introducing Eddie Brock but Venom needs to have at least one film to himself. I'm guessing that rather than the Secret Wars thing they'll probably use the story from the Ultimate Spider-Man comics about his birth.


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RE: Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 - 3/1/2006 9:32:34 PM   
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 Peter and Eddie's fathers were scientists working on a project: a living suit acting as a medic to heal wounds on the field. However the project went undone after Peter's father died. Eddie asked Peter to continue with their father's work which he sort of tentively ignored but did some research leading up to his DNA getting mixed with the suit. The suit and Peter's DNA combined and eventually Eddie tested the suit to see if it would function, but it was unstable and multiplied the inherent spider powers tenfold and gave them to Brock.

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RE: Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 - 3/1/2006 10:38:23 PM   
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Peter and Eddie's fathers were scientists working on a project: a living suit acting as a medic to heal wounds on the field. However the project went undone after Peter's father died. Eddie asked Peter to continue with their father's work which he sort of tentively ignored but did some research leading up to his DNA getting mixed with the suit. The suit and Peter's DNA combined and eventually Eddie tested the suit to see if it would function, but it was unstable and multiplied the inherent spider powers tenfold and gave them to Brock.


that is the ultimate version of venom if i am not mistaken not the version that is actually in the continuaty of the spiderman universe !

hello i am a big fucking geek i so need a life !

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RE: Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 - 4/1/2006 1:45:02 PM   
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i agree i reckon they might do the whole peter and eddie being old family friends. only casue of the way they have cast. even if topher grace does beef up, he'd have to do summit special to become the big guy who is in the original spider universe. where as if he is just a normal guy who gets taking over it mite just work. personally i just dont want a skinny venom. lol like topher.

i think this could be a good film, but i do think venom needs a film to him self, the only thing i can think sam mite do, is have sandman at the start, a small part, to distract spidey, while the venom story runs underneath.


dunno though.....

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RE: Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 - 5/1/2006 3:33:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: The Captain

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jack of Blades

Peter and Eddie's fathers were scientists working on a project: a living suit acting as a medic to heal wounds on the field. However the project went undone after Peter's father died. Eddie asked Peter to continue with their father's work which he sort of tentively ignored but did some research leading up to his DNA getting mixed with the suit. The suit and Peter's DNA combined and eventually Eddie tested the suit to see if it would function, but it was unstable and multiplied the inherent spider powers tenfold and gave them to Brock.


that is the ultimate version of venom if i am not mistaken not the version that is actually in the continuaty of the spiderman universe !

hello i am a big fucking geek i so need a life !


Not very bright though. See above and you will realise that he was explaining that to some one. Don't worry about getting a life, try some common sense.

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RE: Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 - 5/1/2006 3:48:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vadersville

quote:

ORIGINAL: The Captain

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jack of Blades

Peter and Eddie's fathers were scientists working on a project: a living suit acting as a medic to heal wounds on the field. However the project went undone after Peter's father died. Eddie asked Peter to continue with their father's work which he sort of tentively ignored but did some research leading up to his DNA getting mixed with the suit. The suit and Peter's DNA combined and eventually Eddie tested the suit to see if it would function, but it was unstable and multiplied the inherent spider powers tenfold and gave them to Brock.


that is the ultimate version of venom if i am not mistaken not the version that is actually in the continuaty of the spiderman universe !

hello i am a big fucking geek i so need a life !


Not very bright though. See above and you will realise that he was explaining that to some one. Don't worry about getting a life, try some common sense.


yea well when you are responding from a mobile phone it is verd hard to read every little detail , but please forgive me oh great one , i will rush straight out and get some common sense .

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RE: Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 - 5/1/2006 3:48:34 PM   
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RE: Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 - 5/1/2006 6:15:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: The Captain

yea well when you are responding from a mobile phone it is verd hard to read every little detail , but please forgive me oh great one , i will rush straight out and get some common sense .


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RE: Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 - 6/1/2006 12:25:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: The Captain

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ORIGINAL: Vadersville

quote:

ORIGINAL: The Captain

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jack of Blades

Peter and Eddie's fathers were scientists working on a project: a living suit acting as a medic to heal wounds on the field. However the project went undone after Peter's father died. Eddie asked Peter to continue with their father's work which he sort of tentively ignored but did some research leading up to his DNA getting mixed with the suit. The suit and Peter's DNA combined and eventually Eddie tested the suit to see if it would function, but it was unstable and multiplied the inherent spider powers tenfold and gave them to Brock.


that is the ultimate version of venom if i am not mistaken not the version that is actually in the continuaty of the spiderman universe !

hello i am a big fucking geek i so need a life !


Not very bright though. See above and you will realise that he was explaining that to some one. Don't worry about getting a life, try some common sense.


yea well when you are responding from a mobile phone it is verd hard to read every little detail , but please forgive me oh great one , i will rush straight out and get some common sense .


Just this once. Seeing as you have a cool avatar.

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Venom - 6/1/2006 9:14:45 PM   
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Venom is by far the best spider-man villain. spidey 3 has to have venom as the main badguy.

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RE: Fingers Crossed - 8/1/2006 11:53:50 AM   
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as a huge spider-man geek, i demand the following from the third film -

plenty of time devoted to church as sandman


the return of the green goblin, the peter/harry story arc is awesome and deserves to be resolved before raimi goes bye-bye.

the death of mj at goblin's hands, and the introduction of gwen stacy as pete's love interest in 4,5 and 6 - since the first film departed from the comics mythology with regards to gwen, why not turn the whole thing on its head? in the books, osborn snr kills petes first love gwen, and mj picks up the pieces. so have osborn jnr kill petes first love mj, and gwen pick up the pieces, thus echoing the books but also distancing the film universe from the book universe in what if feel is an interesting way.



1) Have you seen the first 4 Batman films, when they were villain heavy ? No, no, no to your point.

2) I'm sorry but I am not in agreement. MJ has never died. If Dunst does not want it, either write her out or re-cast but dont try and change comic book lore,like Burton did killing Batman's villains. Anyway Raimi is not that daft.

3) Raimi is doing No 4, so no need to cram everything into No 3. 
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RE: Fingers Crossed - 8/1/2006 3:21:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Captain Villa

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ORIGINAL: IamtheGoblin

as a huge spider-man geek, i demand the following from the third film -

plenty of time devoted to church as sandman


the return of the green goblin, the peter/harry story arc is awesome and deserves to be resolved before raimi goes bye-bye.

the death of mj at goblin's hands, and the introduction of gwen stacy as pete's love interest in 4,5 and 6 - since the first film departed from the comics mythology with regards to gwen, why not turn the whole thing on its head? in the books, osborn snr kills petes first love gwen, and mj picks up the pieces. so have osborn jnr kill petes first love mj, and gwen pick up the pieces, thus echoing the books but also distancing the film universe from the book universe in what if feel is an interesting way.



1) Have you seen the first 4 Batman films, when they were villain heavy ? No, no, no to your point.

2) I'm sorry but I am not in agreement. MJ has never died. If Dunst does not want it, either write her out or re-cast but dont try and change comic book lore,like Burton did killing Batman's villains. Anyway Raimi is not that daft.

3) Raimi is doing No 4, so no need to cram everything into No 3. 


I think Kirsten Dunst has said this is her last Spidey film unless there is a HUGE paycheck for a fourth so why not just move Betty Brant (Jonah's secretary to the fore), she's steadly been getting friendlier with Pete.

Also i think this is the last one as Raimi has said he only wants to do 3 and then do something else. A fourth is possible but quite a while away.

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RE: Fingers Crossed - 8/1/2006 3:28:39 PM   
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 Even if Raimi doesn't direct the fourth film, he loves the character so much I think he'll stay on as co-writer or producer or something. Afterall, he is producing the Evil Dead remake.

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RE: Fingers Crossed - 8/1/2006 4:44:38 PM   
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He confirmed to SHH he was doing # 4.

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how can this fail, it has to rock - 8/1/2006 9:54:18 PM   
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there is no way that this film wont be superb. it has to be. i just can't think of how sam raimi will put venom into the believable world that they have created with previous two. now sandman is different. not really a major spiderman villain but certainly won't look out of place. i am really looking foward too seeing him in the movie.

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RE: how can this fail, it has to rock - 12/1/2006 11:20:18 PM   
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 Spiderman has always been an awesome superhero, the movies have been utterly fantastic so far; plus Sam Raimi is a top-notch director.

Sure, the villains may not be as intriguing as last time round; but believe you me, Sam Raimi should do something good with this unlike Mr. Schumacher

Bring on 2007!!!!! 

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RE: how can this fail, it has to rock - 19/1/2006 12:35:05 AM   
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 According to both Aintitcool and Comingsoon, a major piece of casting for Spidey 3 has been finalised.

Sam is gonna bring the most beloved character in the history of SPIDER-MAN into the cinematic fold. That's right. As rumors of the second coming of the Green Goblin mount... From screen right enters... GWEN STACY!!!

When Avi Arad called me this morning to discuss the HULK sequel - he let slip that he was intent on calling me today anyway to drop this megabomb of coolnews. He knew that I would friggin love this like no tomorrow! For me, Gwen Stacy is the very embodiment of YOUNG LOVE. She is that teenage girl that dreamt of all those tomorrows that she'd never live. She was the damsel that wasn't saved. Right when Spidey was getting cocky about web-slinging and soul-saving... he lost another. This one, within his own soul. For serious comics fans, the Gwen Stacy story is sacred text. It is, along with the coming of Galactus - the single greatest Superhero arc of the Silver Age. And it was the exact opposite of that story. FF 48, 49 and 50 were about the story cosmic, this was about the story intimate.
As of about an hour ago, the contract was signed. Sam Raimi and Avi Arad have their sweetheart. They've cast young Bryce Howard, yes, Ron Howard's daughter - the one playing the title character in M Night's next film. Bryce is just about the hottest young emerging talent out there right now - and she is, like her father once was, a redhead... but like Ron - she's going b... no, not bald, but BLONDE - hopefully Platinum Blonde for the role of Gwen Stacy. Avi wouldn't tell me if Bryce was signed for one or two pictures. But the key for me was always Gwen's eyes. She had amazing, captivating grey-blue newsprint eyes.

Excellent piece of casting if you ask me. The great thing about Raimi is he casts actors, not movie stars. Haden Church, Grace and now Howard....could Spidey 3 be the best yet?

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RE: how can this fail, it has to rock - 19/1/2006 10:53:58 AM   
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 Haven't seen a Bryce Howard performance but the similarity between her and Gwen Stacy isn't there.

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RE: how can this fail, it has to rock - 19/1/2006 8:11:02 PM   
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Casting Howard is certainly an interesting move. I have no doubt she'll do the character of Gwen justice, it just seems odd to bring her in now. Her major role in the comics is to get thrown to her death by the Goblin, which MJ did (apart from the dying) in the first one. There is of course the idea that MJ will die and Gwen will replace her in Peter's affections for part 4 onwards, but I'm not sure the studio will want to be as bold as to kill of a major character like MJ nor that Raimi will want to break with the comics quite so dramatically. It's tantamount to killing off Lois Lane.

So now we have three major new characters - The Sandman, Gwen and whoever Topher Grace is going to play. Good casting decisions, but isn't it going to be a little overpacked, especially with all this complicated Harry/Goblin stuff to sort out. I mean, if this is going to be Raimi, Maguire and Dunst's final film, shouldn't they all be concerned with tying up the loose ends of the first two films, not trying to create new ones.

Hopefully, if Grace is going to be Eddie Brock/Venom, he'll be simple Eddie Brock for most of the film, Sandman will be a distraction from Peter's main problem which is sorting out the Harry problem and Gwen will be giving him headaches in the love department. I wonder what kind of backstory they're going to give her. After two films of Peter going on about how much he loves MJ, it would seem odd if Gwen were to just walk in unannounced and completly turn his world upside down simply cos she's a bit of a looker.


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RE: how can this fail, it has to rock - 20/1/2006 2:16:05 PM   
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 Hmmmmmmmm...

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RE: how can this fail, it has to rock - 20/1/2006 7:04:59 PM   
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 I haven't seen any of Bryce Dyllas Howard! But I hope she does well in the role of Gwen Stacy. I know everyone's saying the film's now overpacked, but I trust Raimi to create a satisfactory and complex plot.

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RE: how can this fail, it has to rock - 21/1/2006 1:45:45 PM   
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 I prefer Spiderman 1 to the 2nd, but I am realy looking forward to this one being the best of the 3.

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RE: how can this fail, it has to rock - 21/1/2006 5:03:37 PM   
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 As briefly mentioned above, I reckon Grace will just be introduced (he was briefly mentioned in the first film) and that Venom won't appear until number 4...perhaps this will be how number 3 ends?
 
I agree with other comments regarding the "packed house" of characters, but I trust Raimi - he did an excellent job with the first two.  The best things come to those who wait!
 
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RE: how can this fail, it has to rock - 22/1/2006 6:27:00 PM   
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 am really quite excited about the prospect of venom in this next one but the casting of Topher Grace is an interesting one, is he not the guy from That 70s Show? aka one of the weediest guys in the world. him as venom, i suppose we''ll have to wait and see. and also the introduction of Gwen Stacey intrigues me, especially as they kinda used Dunst in her place. but anyway bring it on. cant wait!

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RE: how can this fail, it has to rock - 23/1/2006 10:36:22 AM   
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 Spiderman 3.........    big sam has done well so far.  even if topher grave is venom which would not suprise me (they made a spiderman/venom video game to introduce him to the world) it would cool to see him swing his tenticles on th ebig screen.


also does anyone know when ultimate avengers is released this side of the atlantic

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RE: how can this fail, it has to rock - 23/1/2006 4:03:04 PM   
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Glad Venom is a cert now .Maybe he will be closer to the ultimate venom < More closer to spideys build > Just hope the suit isn't purple .

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RE: how can this fail, it has to rock - 30/1/2006 5:20:42 PM   
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 Mr Frank, I take it you mean the animated Ultimate Avengers DVD, if so, out tail end of February, around the 24th I think, but defo February.
 
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